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Old 07-27-2018, 01:25 AM
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I'm going to post a challenging -- to say the least -- poem. Then you can take a stab at making sense of it -- if you want. Just for fun.

And then someone else can post something -- a poem or a riddle -- for us to take a stab at. And on it may go. Got it? Good.
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Old 07-27-2018, 01:28 AM
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flotsam and jetsam

flotsam and jetsam
are gentlemen poeds
urseappeal netsam
our spinsters and coeds)

thoroughly bretish
they scout the inhuman
itarian fetish
that man isn't wuman

vive the millenni
um three cheers for labor
give all things to enni
one bugger thy nabor

(neck and senecktie
are gentlemen ppoyds
even whose recktie
are covered by lloyd's


- e.e. cummings
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Old 07-27-2018, 01:31 AM
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Okay, so... Huh?
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Old 07-27-2018, 07:18 PM
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I cannot make sense of it.
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Annabel Lee

It was many and many a year ago,
In a kingdom by the sea,
That a maiden there lived whom you may know
By the name of Annabel Lee;
And this maiden she lived with no other thought
Than to love and be loved by me.

I was a child and she was a child,
In this kingdom by the sea;
But we loved with a love that was more than love --
I and my Annabel Lee;
With a love that the winged seraphs of heaven
Coveted her and me.

And this was the reason that, long ago,
In this kingdom by the sea,
A wind blew out of a cloud, chilling
My beautiful Annabel Lee;
So that her highborn kinsman came
And bore her away from me,
To shut her up in a sepulchre
In this kingdom by the sea.

The angels, not half so happy in heaven,
Went envying her and me --
Yes! -- that was the reason (as all men know,
In this kingdom by the sea)
That the wind came out of the cloud by night,
Chilling and killing my Annabel Lee.

But our love it was stronger by far than the love
Of those who were older than we --
Of many far wiser than we --
And neither the angels in heaven above,
Nor the demons down under the sea,
Can ever dissever my soul from the soul
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee.

For the moon never beams without bringing me dreams
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;
And the stars never rise but I feel the bright eyes
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;
And so, all the night-tide, I lie down by the side
Of my darling -- my darling -- my life and my bride,
In the sepulchre there by the sea,
In her tomb by the sounding sea.


-- Edgar Allan Poe
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Old 07-28-2018, 01:52 PM
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I cannot make sense of it.
Nor I. And I searched the web to see if anyone out there has offered any useful help, but I didn't find any.

It is easy enough to look up some of the less familiar words, such as flotsam and jetsam. But other words don't seem to be in any dictionaries. And, otherwise, this cummings poem's meaning seems about impossible to crack.

The Edgar Alan Poe poem you posted seems straightforward enough. There appear to be no riddles or hidden things in it. Right?
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Annabel lee has been a favorite of mine since I learned it in school. I think the cadence must fit some pattern in my brain.

I guess the only thing to figure out is which real woman, if any, Poe had in mind when writing it.

As to the E.E. Cummings poem, I read that he liked, at times, to be humorous, idiosyncratic, and/or enigmatic so it might be the poem cannot be understood. I think it could be making fun of someone he knew.

Could be the stanza "vive the millenium" is a dig at someone's belief in Russian communism ("give all things to enni one bugger thy nabor")?

Perhaps he is implying the two poets are gay, thus the joke about "recktie insured by Lloyd's" with recti meant to be the plural of rectum?


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Nor I. And I searched the web to see if anyone out there has offered any useful help, but I didn't find any.

It is easy enough to look up some of the less familiar words, such as flotsam and jetsam. But other words don't seem to be in any dictionaries. And, otherwise, this cummings poem's meaning seems about impossible to crack.

The Edgar Alan Poe poem you posted seems straightforward enough. There appear to be no riddles or hidden things in it. Right?
Think phonetically. Great play on words. This poem is sort of a 1930's diss track. I forget the two poets he is referring to, but he starts out by calling them trash.. lol
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Thanks for posting the ee cummings, although I'm a fan I hadn't stopped to unpack this one before.

Damn he's not holding back.

Not much to interpret here (but I like it):

Jealousy

I put out my hand and plucked a rose,
A red satin rose with a velvet scent,
And chaliced its loveliness in reverent palms,
Knowing that it was perfect.

Then, because I could not make the rose,
And because I could not paint the rose,
Nor carve it, nor mould it,
Nor even draw its beauty in my words,
I slowly closed my fingers over it
And crushed it.

Ruth Ellison
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Poets or songwriters like Bob Dylan, John Lennon and Marc Bolan often wrote songs that were more about the sounds of the words, than their meaning. Bolan once said, if the song is good, people will sing along no matter the meaning of the words.

One Inch Rock

Met a woman she's spouting prose
She's got luggage eyes and a roman nose
Her body is slung from side to side
Need a lift she said much obliged
I'm riding piggy-back
Then I came to her shack
We go inside the place it's a mess
She said my name's the liquid poetess
She unties her mouth
And her buckskin dress
She drinks from a bottle
Labelled tenderness
I'm in one hand in the other's a can
She puts me in the can
And smiles through the wall
I got the horror's cos I'm one inch tall
Next thing I know's a girl by my side
Dressed in a bayleaf she's trying to hide
I asked her name she said Germaine
Do the rock do the one inch rock.

-Marc Bolan (RIP)
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