I feel lost and depressed

bannerman

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When I was a child, my mother converted to Islam. She married a Libyan man and we moved to Libya when I was 6 or 7. I lived there until I was 20, when I returned to Oklahoma to go to college, and have been on my own for the past two decades of my life.

Libya is a Muslim majority country, and I was raised as a Muslim. My entire family is Muslim, and religion had a strong presence in society. It was taught in school. I don't know how to explain it best. It wasn't at the level of religious fundamentalism stereotypically associated with places like Saudi Arabia or Iran; women were not forced to wear Hijabs or Burkas and many had a presence in the public sphere. But it was still very sexually repressive compared to the Western world. Sex only in marriage was heavily emphasized, and there were severe consequences for girls and women if it became known that they have been sexually active or were not virgins. In Libya, social interactions between unrelated males and females was extremely limited. For instance, houses typically had separate guest rooms for men and women. By the time I was a pre-teen, it was customary when visiting friends that only males would be in a space together, while at most a woman might appear briefly to hand off meals or beverages. By seventh grades, boys and girls went to separate schools. In college, spending time with women, even in a strictly platonic sense, was an entirely new experience for me.

Likely because of my autism, I took religious commandments very seriously back then; so I kept the "courtship and marriage" mindset even while I was in college. That, coupled with my subpar social skills, likely scared women away from wanting to date me. I know I wasn't just a creep because plenty of women enjoyed spending time with me as a friend. I didn't date or sleep with anyone for the first three years of college. Then I met my ex-fiancé. I didn't know how to recognize the red flags back then, but she turned out to be a psychologically abusive narcissist who targeted me particularly because of my vulnerability.

I had one friend I met earl on. She was very attractive, but I never considered her as a potential partner because she didn't fit the religion-distorted mindset I had at the time. She was black and Jewish, promiscuous, and seemed to suffer from what is likely borderline personality disorder. She never seemed interested in me sexually either. But I remember her occasionally saying things that might have been trying to get my attention. Like when we were watching Beverly Hillbillies, when Lea Thompson said a penis is hard to find, my friend said that is true. She also once asked me if I'd shoot her in lingerie for a modeling portfolio. Anyway, I wonder in hindsight if I would or should have perused a casual sexual relationship with her. But that wasn't my mindset back then.

After becoming an atheist, my position on "sexual morality" has completely changed. I know believe that pre-marital sex, promiscuity, polyamory, homosexuality, pornography and voyeurism, and sex work are all completely fine so long as everyone involved is a consenting adult and takes responsibility to stay safe. But I feel like I missed out on so much when I was younger because of all the religious garbage filling my head at the time. I worry that its too late to have an adventurous sex life in my 40s when I'm overweight and have a hernia. I constantly feel so swamped either by work, job searching, doctor appointments, and all the hoops I'm having to jump through to get disability benefits. Plus I never have money to go out and do much. And I don't mind a partner over 40, but I was never with a younger woman I was younger and I feel I've already missed out on that ever happening.
 
It's good you got out of that conservative sexually-repressive society. But just like with any high-demand religion or cult, you never really get over it. You can learn new mindsets and behaviors, but those early demands will always live in your head rent free.

I was raised in a mainstream Christian church, and left when I was a young teenager (when I began exploring Buddhism, Paganism, atheism), but I am now 67 and the vestiges are still there.

There are many online support groups for people who have left repressive (even abusive) religions or cults. There are also educational YouTube channels. I recently been enjoying the YouTube channel called Cults to Consciousness. It covers many different cults and the damage they do. There is probably plenty of ex-Muslim info on YouTube as well. Check around. I hope that helps.
 
I believe I have purged as much of my religious indoctrination as possible and I feel good about where I am in that regard.

Now I want to reinvent myself sexually. Problem is I don't know what is still a realistic expectation for me going forward. I'm over 40, have a hernia, no sexual or relationship experience, no money, I struggle a lot with approaching women. Not to mention I live in Oklahoma and don't even know where or how to find single or non-monogamous women.
 
I believe I have purged as much of my religious indoctrination as possible and I feel good about where I am in that regard.

Now I want to reinvent myself sexually. Problem is I don't know what is still a realistic expectation for me going forward. I'm over 40, have a hernia, no sexual or relationship experience, no money, I struggle a lot with approaching women. Not to mention I live in Oklahoma and don't even know where or how to find single or non-monogamous women.
Greetings friend, IMHO I think that your main problem is that you have a goal and you are set on that goal no matter what. its a trap.
IMHO, I would recommend that you instead look to just make friends. because you are living in the States and which is a very Christian-based country and some people might not only be hiding what they actually believe on the same level as you, but that can give people a reason to be assholes.

IF you can make friends with (Imaginary woman) and you really feel that you are connected to her, slowly test the waters and above all else, make sure that you are being respectful of their thoughts and feelings.

Ex: I saw another one of these wedding commercials for a woman's dress, I think that I would like to find a woman to marry someday, but I don't think two people can really do it anymore in this kind of market, what do you think?

That would open the conversation potential to see what the (Imaginary woman) would actually be willing to get into. Otherwise, you might sound like a typical guy that just wants another woman to fuck and sit on the couch while they do all the cooking and cleaning, etc.
 
IF you can make friends with (Imaginary woman) and you really feel that you are connected to her, slowly test the waters and above all else, make sure that you are being respectful of their thoughts and feelings.
I've tried that strategy many time, but it always leads to the "friend zone".
 
I'm trying to be careful how I say this, because I don't want people to take it the wrong way. I really do appreciate that people are just trying to help, and I'm upset with the situation and not with you or anyone else giving me advice. The problem is that I often hear the same kinds of advice, and I've already tried that advice plenty of times. But it never works. And it just makes me so frustrated when I keep hearing the same suggestions over and over when I know from experience they don't work.
 
Then IMHO maybe re-evaluate, how you are proceeding.

I personally am socially awkward with people, in some cases, it's more about HOW I speak vs what I am saying.
Some of my friends have told me that I talk kind of like Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang Theory, very direct and somewhat mater of fact style.

not knowing how you talk in person, I can only recommend that you maybe record yourself and repeat something that you have said to someone that maybe resulted in a negative reply.

as for being friend-zoned, clearly, you must respect that but at the same time if this person is someone that you are interested in, instead of doing the romantic date thing, do the friend date instead and show them that even if rejected that you are still there for them and not going to drop them just because they said no.
 
Then IMHO maybe re-evaluate, how you are proceeding.

I personally am socially awkward with people, in some cases, it's more about HOW I speak vs what I am saying.
Some of my friends have told me that I talk kind of like Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang Theory, very direct and somewhat mater of fact style.
You might be on the autism spectrum.
not knowing how you talk in person, I can only recommend that you maybe record yourself and repeat something that you have said to someone that maybe resulted in a negative reply.
My problem isn't that people dislike me. In fact, a lot of people including many women find me friendly and likable. It's just that women always like me as a friend but never find me sexually attractive or want to date me.
as for being friend-zoned, clearly, you must respect that but at the same time if this person is someone that you are interested in, instead of doing the romantic date thing, do the friend date instead and show them that even if rejected that you are still there for them and not going to drop them just because they said no.
You seem to misunderstand. I have remained friends with women who have turned me down romantically many times. The problem is that every woman I get to know wants to be only friends but nobody ever wants to date me or sleep with me. It's a matter never being able to get a partner.

Edit:

I suppose the phrase "friend zone" has charged connotations. I should probably rephrase:

Every time I spend time getting to know a woman, they always want to be just friends. And nobody ever wants to be girlfriend.
 
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Technically you are right, I actually have ADHD and that has been deemed aligned with autism. 🤷‍♂️

Depending on your comfort level, maybe you could ask one of the women or any guy friends you have what it was that detracted them from having an interest in you, if they ask why, you could say that you are trying to understand a perspective that you wouldn't have, to maybe improve yourself.

IMHO you could also take a step back and analyze your interactions.
What was going on when you asked the woman, what was their initial reaction, was there anything going on in their personal lives.

Sometimes it's not even have anything to do with you, it could have just been timing or there is some other issue, don't give up just take your time.
 
Hey Bannerman,

It sounds very frustrating, the situation you are in, so I can understand that trying to be hopeful or optimistic about finding someone to date, after attempts that end in friendship, can feel defeating and even angering.

We never know when we will meet someone to share experiences with and some of us have more experiences than others. It can be difficult to see beyond this, as it's personal and I feel that most of us want desperately to connect with someone. It can be a very difficult road for some of us, so to change one's perspective on the situation can be even more difficult.

Please excuse me if you have already shared this but what are you looking for in a partner? What would be a realistic situation for you? How far will you be willing to extend your comfort level to meet a potential someone?

Anyways, just my two cents ;)
 
Sometimes it's not even have anything to do with you, it could have just been timing or there is some other issue, don't give up just take your time.
You're still not understanding. I am not talking about one particular woman. I am talking about every woman I have ever had feeling for in my entire life. The idea I just happen to meet every one of the at a time that wasn't good for them, only for the time to great a week or two later when she meets her new boyfriend, is absurd.
 
What would be a realistic situation for you?
That's the question I'm asking.

I'm over 40. I'm obese. I have a hernia. I have no money. I struggle with depression and anxiety and a lot of trauma. And I don't even know where to find single or non-monogamous women.

So what expectations are realistic for a wreck like me?
 
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You have health challenges and financial struggles, these are very valid concerns and sound like they give you much hardship with regard to developing a more serious relationship with another person. I am very sorry that you are going through this life struggle as it truly sounds painful and even heart breaking for you.

What I do see is how you see yourself, and how we see ourself is how we subconsciously can sometimes portray ourselves to others. Also, if we have a hard time seeing a future that is worth struggling for than that makes this journey even harder.

Anxiety and depression are serious road blocks to one's ability to function happily in life and it can be a daily life struggle that is like a roller coaster. Our pain, whether physical or emotional can cause much of that struggle, especially if we are needing to cope by doing anything in excess, like drinking or doing drugs for example. Trauma, often causes a lot of life's struggles and without support, it can be debilitating.

Your struggle is real and I feel the frustration in your replies and I am sorry that this is how you are feeling.

May I ask how you are treating your anxiety and depression? What part do your traumas play in your life and how has that influenced your relationships with others and yourself?
 
You're still not understanding. I am not talking about one particular woman. I am talking about every woman I have ever had feeling for in my entire life. The idea I just happen to meet every one of the at a time that wasn't good for them, only for the time to great a week or two later when she meets her new boyfriend, is absurd.
I meant for all the women you were trying to have a relationship with.

Trust me I know it's hard to express things to people when your heart/feelings are on the line and even more so when you have voices in the back of your mind telling you everything else under the sun, I've been to dark places that none in my family knew about for years.

You may also be getting frustrated by some of the advice we are giving you, but please understand we can only tell you from our own experiences.

The hardest thing that anyone can do, is self-reflect and look for faults while not being self-destructive.
I had a friend that asked a girl out the day after her dog died, told him he was a fucking idiot, had to literally spell it out for him.

The girl did like him but because of his timing, it just ruined everything. In this case, it was just the timing of a bad situation.

either way, IMHO I would consider your approach. do you hesitate, shuffle, shift your feet, and generally project a feeling of being uncomfortable or are you a solid rock of confidence while not being cocky.
Women will pick up on that.
 
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