The Accidental Polyamorist

lunabunny

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I'm a 49 year old, mono-identifying female who accidentally fell into a conflicted poly-fi situation just over a year ago. I'd been "active" on social media for years and had developed close friendships with numerous people of different genders, as you do, but had never taken that beyond the mildest of flirtatious banter until, out of the blue, a genuine romance blossomed between myself and a highly unusual, creative male friend, "J". Nothing happened in a sexually explicit vein until we both admitted we were in reciprocal love, then the "message storm" and cyber-sexing began in earnest; products of extremely potent NRE.

Thankfully during this period I was able to keep my head on straight enough to try and ascertain this man's personal life situation. J knew I was still legally married yet estranged from my husband, and I knew he'd had a complicated relationship with his ex-wife until a couple of years before, however at no point did he indicate that he was sexually involved with anyone in any kind of ongoing fashion.

His life had been a troubled one, yet at this point I was starting to feel safe with J and believed that he was being honest with me, so you can imagine how shocked and disheartened I was to discover (through a combination of my own intuition and some not-so-subtle hint-dropping by a mutual female friend) that he was involved in a secretive relationship with this woman, "B". She and I had begun to grow close in an online sense around the same time as he and I had, but B had sparked my "Spidey sense" by her over-interest in my personal life and emotional state.

When everybody finally came clean, so to speak, J swore he and B had been special friends with benefits ONLY, with no commitment or claims of "coupledom"... while conversely B had been convinced they were in mutual, deep and abiding love. Had he led her on to believe that? Yes and no. The man's immense intelligence does not preclude a degree of social blindness I admit, while her deep-seated fear of abandonment had caused her to cling too tightly to someone who'd been sending pretty clear signals that he did not wish to be smothered.

J's attitude completely changed when he and I got together. He fell deeply in love with me and committed almost immediately, and B ended up a casualty of that, for which I still feel overwhelmingly guilty. Had either of them just TOLD me they were involved at an earlier stage, I'd have respected the preexisting "relationship" (though he says they were never "in" one in that sense) and stayed in my little corner of the internet.

J held some anger towards B at this point, as he considered she had violated her self-imposed secrecy pact by divulging their affair in order to "head me off at the pass", though he still expressed a desire to remain platonic friends with her, much to my consternation. Some long-buried trust issues began to creep in at this juncture, harking back to a spectacularly bad early break-up involving a love triangle of sorts, although throughout my marriage I'd never been an especially jealous or possessive person.

So... while my new man and I immersed ourselves in NRE and each other, this other woman was relegated to the role of audience member (since those two had decided to stay in each others' lives as friends, albeit from a distance). Note: At this point I should clarify that I live in a different country to J, therefore ours was and remains a long distance relationship. On the other hand J and B live on opposite sides of the same country, so although they also conducted their relationship long distance, they HAD met in person a number of times and had been physically intimate.

Months passed and eventually B healed enough emotionally to let me back into her life and we began to become closer once again. The desire to do this wasn't completely altruistic on my part as due to the unconventional nature of the situation I had very few people to talk to about the unique difficulties I'd begun to experience as a result of dating this man. At least, none who could understand the way SHE could.

Around this time J's life changed in many ways that had nothing to do with me but which caused him to become far less "present" and engaged. Communication became sparser and sparser and our (cyber) sex life ground to a halt, although he was at pains to reassure me his feelings had not changed one bit. However, the more I yearned for the easy-going fun exchanges we used to enjoy, the more he seemed to withdraw until what had been 24/7 conversations were whittled down to a few brief exchanges per day plus the occasional phone-call.

Yes, I am aware that relationship dynamics change over time and that the "honeymoon period" is bound to end. But this happened very suddenly and it floored me. I still craved regular, warm contact. NRE was still affecting ME quite strongly but it seemed to have all but deserted HIM. B tried her best to console me but it didn't help to discover J had a pattern of flooding the object of his affections with attention then growing bored and putting increasingly lengthy silences between these bouts of enthusiastic communciation. Harder still being schooled on this by the very person who still felt like a rival for his attention/affection in many ways.

Although it felt like it, I knew J hadn't fallen out of love with me. He just lacked/lacks attention span and needs constant stimulation, not necessarily of the sexual kind. He reassured me time and again that I - and only I - had his heart. Nevertheless, I felt stung, hurt, rejected, by his absence. Meanwhile his former lover and I grew closer and closer, perhaps out of loneliness or a show of solidarity in the face of his abandonment. Neither of us had ever been same-sex attracted, however after a few months the sexual tension was undeniably building and we ended up declaring our feelings.

Before any real intimacy could occur, I knew I had to approach J and confess. Essentially I was seeking his permission to begin something with B, in what amounted to giving him an implicit veto option. Not being a possessive or sexually jealous person, J simply expressed happiness for us and wished us well. It might sound contrary in the extreme, but part of me almost hoped he would object. I now believe I may have subconsciously been testing him; hoping he would realise his position was under threat, step up and do better when it came to giving of his time and affection.

He didn't, and the upshot of all this is that I've now been in a relationship with B for the past year, alongside the relationship I have with J himself. They are both devoted to me (and I, them) but show it in completely different ways. I have since met them in person, separately and together, and have slept with both, although the relationships are still conducted mostly online due to distance issues.

To use a well-worn cliche, this past year has been a rollercoaster of emotions: guilt, shame, jealousy, confusion and feelings of propriety and possessiveness have all cropped up. However, due to the unique circumstances of our erstwhile "triad", and perhaps feelings of entitlement and/or exclusion on B's part, she has attempted several times to push through her own agenda of inclusiveness which involved suggesting we bring J into our relationship to form a poly-fi triad. Or more accurately, have her become secondary partner to the "primary" unit that was J and I at that time.

Aside from the obvious sexual fantasy element, nothing about that proposal appealed to me at all - in part due to scars I carry from an earlier breakup that ended in a failed threesome - however on two separate occasions I've gone along with the idea of it for a period of time to appease B. To be honest, the very thought of "sharing" J sexually OR worse, emotionally/romantically makes me feel sad, threatened, green with jealousy and frankly, sick to my stomach. In the months leading up to our in-person meeting overseas, I developed debilitating depression and anxiety due to the expectations being placed on me by B in this regard. J agreed to give it a try also, but frankly he can "take or leave" sex in general, and romantically it is only me he's interested in, although he did make the point that IF we were going to do this, there should be no notion of primary or secondary expressed.

B, however, wished to see if it could work, thus, to honour her and OUR relationship, as well as out of guilt that J had "chosen" me over her, to put it indelicately, I really really TRIED to give thisy serious consideration, and in fact we DID "go there"; engaging in a one-off, not-entirely successful threesome when we all finally met as a group.

Don't get me wrong, as people and friends, we all get along great - both in person and online - but sharing a bed, while exciting in fantasy form, is just not for me. I've tried it twice now, decades apart, and both were some of the worst experiences I've ever had in life, emotionally speaking. The sight of my lover/s engaging sexually with each other in the flesh, as opposed to in my head or even in milder cyber form, is an image I only WISH I could scrub from my memory permanently!

Needless to say that for the second time in our brief multi-partner relationship, the poly-fidelitous triad plan is now off for good. We have settled on a "V" paradigm with me as the hinge. They both, finally, appear to have accepted that this is the way it has to be for the imminent future, although it's not without its problems, even so, mostly involving feelings of guilt and a self-perception of greediness and selfishness on my part. I wrestle with these concepts every day because I never intended to live a polyamorous lifestyle and am still far from comfortable with the entire scenario, although I truly love and am committed to both my lovers. Hence my introductory caption, "The Accidental Polyamorist".
 
Hi lunabunny - welcome to the Forum and best of luck on your continuing accidentally polyamorous journey! I can relate somewhat as I entitled my own intro post as "Unexpectedly Poly" (link below), with my current position being that while poly would still not be my first choice, I have grown to become reasonably comfortable in our poly marriage. Al
 
Greetings lunabunny,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

It sounds like you are doing your best in a less-than-ideal situation, you identify as mono yet you are right in the middle of a poly V. FWIW, there's such a thing as a triad without any threesomes, I don't know if that would be a possibility for you. In any case, Polyamory.com is here to help, and I hope you won't hesitate to ask us any questions you may have. Glad to have you here.

Sincerely,
Kevin T., "official greeter"

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Hi,

Welcome to the forums. What a rough couple of years it has been for you. You write beautifully well, and what a unique story you are sharing.

There are many examples of other triads here on the forum you can search for. If you have specific relationship questions, feel free to post them over on the poly relationships corner.

Best wishes to you and your triad,
Shaya.
 
Hi lunabunny - welcome to the Forum and best of luck on your continuing accidentally polyamorous journey! I can relate somewhat as I entitled my own intro post as "Unexpectedly Poly" (link below), with my current position being that while poly would still not be my first choice, I have grown to become reasonably comfortable in our poly marriage. Al

Thanks for being so welcoming, Al99, and for sharing your own story. Having worked in retail books sales many moons ago, I'm almost ashamed to say I've never (yet) read Heinlein, though I've sold his work by the truckload.

I was surprised to note you're even newer to this lifestyle than I am, although seemingly more accepting of it already. I commend you for your willingness to open both heart and mind and wish you all the best.
 
It sounds like you are doing your best in a less-than-ideal situation, you identify as mono yet you are right in the middle of a poly V. FWIW, there's such a thing as a triad without any threesomes, I don't know if that would be a possibility for you. In any case, Polyamory.com is here to help, and I hope you won't hesitate to ask us any questions you may have. Glad to have you here.

Thank you, Kevin. I have read the board guidelines and have at least skimmed other linked reading matter. Over this past year I've read fairly widely re: polyamory in general, although I've yet to read the two books most groups/sites recommend.

As for the possibility of a triad without threesomes - yes, that is what my little "family" have settled on, finally, after much angst, trial (triad?) and error. I will probably go into more detail about this in this forum's "advice" thread, as it has been a definite boner, er, bone of contention for at least one member (again, *cough*) of our V until very recently and I'm still not quite sure if I believe B is really as fine with this as she claims.
 
Hi,

Welcome to the forums. What a rough couple of years it has been for you. You write beautifully well, and what a unique story you are sharing.

There are many examples of other triads here on the forum you can search for. If you have specific relationship questions, feel free to post them over on the poly relationships corner.

Best wishes to you and your triad,
Shaya.

Thanks, Shaya (especially for the comment about my writing). :)

Yes, it has been quite difficult and aspects of the relationship remain up in the air (further details to follow in the advice column, for sure).

I have often read that "there is nothing new in poly" and that experienced polyamorists have seen and heard it all before, but yes, I do feel that my situation has some unique aspects to it. With the possible exception of one story on here involving a gay male triad, I haven't come across many stories that reflect the nature of the issues I've been facing lately. In fact, this is probably the reason I've finally decided to join an online poly forum/community - so that I may reap the benefit of others' experiences and words of wisdom.
 
Welcome to our Boards, Luna! I just want to get one point across to you.

You do NOT have to have threesomes. Is B jealous of you having one on one time with J? If so, that is a definite red flag, and I'm strongly suspecting control issues (as I think you are). There are 4 relationships in a triad, and they all need nurturing. Threesomes are not the be-all, end-all. If you don't like them, you don't have to have them!

Hope you find what you are looking for on this forum. You might not get to read about sunshine and rainbows all the time, but the people here, for the most part, mean well.

Good luck!
 
Welcome to our Boards, Luna! I just want to get one point across to you.

You do NOT have to have threesomes. Is B jealous of you having one on one time with J? If so, that is a definite red flag, and I'm strongly suspecting control issues (as I think you are). There are 4 relationships in a triad, and they all need nurturing. Threesomes are not the be-all, end-all. If you don't like them, you don't have to have them!

Hope you find what you are looking for on this forum. You might not get to read about sunshine and rainbows all the time, but the people here, for the most part, mean well.

Good luck!


Thanks for your welcoming words, powerpuffgrl. I'm already finding polyamory.com full of interesting perspectives.

To address your comments about threesomes not being "mandatory" in poly:

Yes, this much I am aware of. I'm not sure if I was overly clear, but as I said in my last paragraph - "the poly-fidelitous triad plan is now off for good. We have settled on a "V" paradigm with me as the hinge" - meaning that our tentative plans to coalesce our confusion of changing dyadic relationships into an integrated triad all came crashing down when we three finally DID meet in person and engaged in our one-and-only threeway sex session. I went through the motions to some extent during the actual event, but felt like I was dissociating and the following morning had a complete meltdown.

I had been terribly nervous and unsure about taking the relationship/s in this direction from the beginning, but unfortunately wavered on this point a number of times during the months preceding our joint meeting, allowing B to talk me back into agreement each time. (It was her idea in the first place. In fact, the very day she and I got together, she alluded to a poly-fi triad with J and I as being her "ideal" - a statement which immediately set me on edge and caused me to distrust her motives deep down.)

And as I said in my reply to Kevin (kdt26417), although they have BOTH now agreed to remain a "V", we are still talking about moving in together in the future, and part of me is not sure B has fully accepted that her "ideal triad" will not come to fruition any time soon, if ever.

Certainly I believe she was - not jealous exactly - but feeling like she would be missing out if she had to be around J and I and didn't get to participate in physical intimacy with us both, even if two-way sex between she and J was definitely off the agenda. During one argument about this, she basically said it'd be too much to expect any warm-blooded, sensual human being to be in a house with two people for whom they had feelings yet be excluded from physical intimacy with one of those people. (By physical intimacy, B claimed she didn't necessarily mean full penetrative sex.)

In any case, this dilemma appears to have been resolved as of recent weeks, but I am still feeling quite insecure about B's intentions and how she will cope when and if we all DO move in together, considering she was involved with J before I was. Those two are going on a trip together in a couple of weeks and although I trust them not to breach our agreement, it still makes me uncomfortable to some degree.
 
Sorry, I may have missed something subtle. If B has feelings for J, does J have feelings for B?

If so, nothing wrong with a triad that doesn't involve threesomes. Just thinking it may be hard to limit other people's relationships, though you can ask them to consider going slower to give you time to adjust.

Just a thought,
Shaya.
 
Sorry, I may have missed something subtle. If B has feelings for J, does J have feelings for B?

If so, nothing wrong with a triad that doesn't involve threesomes. Just thinking it may be hard to limit other people's relationships, though you can ask them to consider going slower to give you time to adjust.

Just a thought,
Shaya.


Shaya, I apologise for any confusion. My situation is rather complex and perhaps I haven't been clear enough, but I've written more about it in the poly relationship advice thread under the heading "Long distance issues for this unusual V".

My girlfriend, B, was deeply in love with my partner/fiancé J for a long time both before and after they were involved sexually, and to some extent still has feelings towards him that are more than platonic. (This is why she was so keen on us three becoming involved as a group, with as few barriers as possible regarding who was or wasn't allowed to be intimate with each other.)

J has always felt he and B have a deep "connection", but to him that feeling is and always has been short of romantic love. Possibly I shouldn't say "short of", but rather, "different from". He is not especially attracted to her sexually or romantically. It has been hard for her to accept this, but I think she finally has.

J is really very easy-going and has less need for sex than either B or I, so when it was suggested (with B being the instigator) that we "trial" a equitable three-way relationship some months ago, he said he had no problem with it, but told me privately it wasn't something he would have gone out of his way to make happen otherwise.
 
To sum up:

- J is in love with and committed to me.
- I am in love with, and in relationships with, both J AND B.
- B is in love with me, and until fairly recently was in love with J, although he put an end to the intimate side of their relationship when he met me. She still has strong feelings for him verging on love.

This is why in my more paranoid insecure moments, I sometimes wonder if B started a relationship with me in the hopes of getting back together with J, by stealth. Though she has repeatedly denied it, her words and actions seemed to indicate this was so, at least until *very* recently.

Right now, we have all agreed to remain as a V, with me as hinge. Those two are not sexually involved with each other, with the exception of the one-off threesome and a couple of incidents of cyber interaction that happened as a group.
 
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I see,

There is currently reciprocated sexuality between B and J. You feel B would be keen for something sexual to develop but J doesn't necessarily want this, though he isn't totally against it.

Given they live relatively near each other, they have more opportunities to catch up in person. In particular, they are about to go on a trip together and you worry that something more intimate may develop in their relationship.

I am uncertain if you are against anything more intimate developing or if you'd just like a heads up from them before they progress their relationship. I can see why you would need that given the deception that they used to hide their initial relationship from you. And perhaps a more piercing question Lunabunny, why does a relationship between them bother you and do you feel it is related to that awful threesome you mentioned in your past?

Kind thoughts,
Shaya.
 
There is currently reciprocated sexuality between B and J. You feel B would be keen for something sexual to develop but J doesn't necessarily want this, though he isn't totally against it.

Given they live relatively near each other, they have more opportunities to catch up in person. In particular, they are about to go on a trip together and you worry that something more intimate may develop in their relationship.

Thanks again for responding, Shaya. You've pretty much nailed it, above, pardon the pun.

I am uncertain if you are against anything more intimate developing or if you'd just like a heads up from them before they progress their relationship. I can see why you would need that given the deception that they used to hide their initial relationship from you. And perhaps a more piercing question Lunabunny, why does a relationship between them bother you and do you feel it is related to that awful threesome you mentioned in your past?

Hmm... some thought provoking questions.

Yes, I am definitely against anything overtly sexual occurring between them again, for the foreseeable future.

I think the whole situation became too confusing and threatening to me personally when B tried to pressure me (and J by default) into agreeing to change our relationship dynamic from a V to a triad, inclusive of group sex.

Yes, the horrible threesome was the straw that broke the camel's back in this regard. Boundaries weren't set properly beforehand and as a consequence it went badly, after which we reverted to our former V structure (me as hinge between my lovers, B and J, who are former lovers).

While I do trust my partners not to go against our recently renegotiated agreement not to cross the line into anything sexual while they are on the trip, this recent threesome and resultant arguments have brought up a host of trust issues that began when those two first chose to hide their relationship and continued in a series of smaller breaches throughout the relationship/s such as sharing a bed on other trips away without telling me.

I realise I can't control the direction of others' relationships if they have genuine, powerful feelings for each other. However I don't believe that's the case in this situation. J has always said he does NOT have romantic feelings for B and says he'd only sleep with her if it's what *I* specifically want (i.e. to please me or turn me on, as part of group sex) while B claims she just wants to express her affection for her best friend (J) physically and would feel excluded if not allowed to. Assuming these things are true and threesomes have always been troublesome for me, I can't see why it'd be necessary for them to go there, sexually. For the time being, if only to keep the peace, B has agreed not to push this point, however I guess I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
 
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