OKC advice

Unsolicited = without giving the sender any indication that you're interested in interaction, and/or without any previous contact. Sites like OKC have a "like" or "favorite" feature. On OKC, even if you're a free member who therefore can't see "likes", if you like someone who has already liked you, the site lets you know that. If a guy and I have both liked each other, I'm more likely to respond to his message, because I would consider that solicited. If it's just a random "Hey, how's it going," that, to me, is unsolicited.

Solely being on a dating site is NOT automatically soliciting messages, especially from people who send out the "Hi, love your profile, think we should meet" message to every single person whose profile they look at. And yes, there are people--men and women--who do that.

I'm on a dating site aside from OKC, and my profile specifically says don't message me, I'm only on here because I have friends in the chat room that I like to talk to. And I still get several messages a week from guys telling me they'd like to meet--or at least fuck--me. Those messages are unsolicited because I say I don't want to receive and won't respond to messages.

I don't get a huge number of messages on either site, but I refuse to reply to every single one that I do get. If all someone says is "Hi," there isn't too much I can do with that. So I don't answer. If someone sends out something that references a picture I don't even have, or something he claims to have read on my profile that isn't actually there, I don't bother answering because they're either sending out form messages or they're being dishonest.

And my statement that "the majority of guys will take any response as interest", which may or may not be generally true, was based on my experiences and those of my female friends on the not-OKC site. Most of the times that I've said "I'm not interested," I've gotten "Then why did you answer? You must be curious about me or you wouldn't have answered."

As for the safety thing, I've been cursed out and even flat-out threatened by guys when I've responded to their emails with a "Thanks, but I'm not interested." One guy said he was going to track me down and go after my daughters! (I reported his message to the site.) Some men think as you do, that a woman on a dating site is fair game and is obligated to answer them and be nice to them and do whatever they want because she's on a dating site.

Women don't HAVE TO answer messages. Neither do guys; I've sent messages that have been completely ignored, and I'm fine with that. Just like going into a bar doesn't automatically obligate you to spread your legs or whip out your dick for everyone who asks you to, being on a dating site doesn't automatically obligate you to respond to everyone who contacts you.
 
Unsolicited = without giving the sender any indication that you're interested in interaction, and/or without any previous contact. Sites like OKC have a "like" or "favorite" feature. On OKC, even if you're a free member who therefore can't see "likes", if you like someone who has already liked you, the site lets you know that. If a guy and I have both liked each other, I'm more likely to respond to his message, because I would consider that solicited. If it's just a random "Hey, how's it going," that, to me, is unsolicited.

I understand, even if it doesn't fit the literal definition of the word. However, OKC has a section of the summary that says "Message me if:", so I would consider that a solicitation if there is some indication they wish people to message them.

Solely being on a dating site is NOT automatically soliciting messages, especially from people who send out the "Hi, love your profile, think we should meet" message to every single person whose profile they look at. And yes, there are people--men and women--who do that.

I would say that the people who send those blanket messages are ill mannered as well.

I'm on a dating site aside from OKC, and my profile specifically says don't message me, I'm only on here because I have friends in the chat room that I like to talk to. And I still get several messages a week from guys telling me they'd like to meet--or at least fuck--me. Those messages are unsolicited because I say I don't want to receive and won't respond to messages.

I certainly agree with that definition of unsolicited. I think people who send you messages there are rude.

I don't get a huge number of messages on either site, but I refuse to reply to every single one that I do get. If all someone says is "Hi," there isn't too much I can do with that. So I don't answer. If someone sends out something that references a picture I don't even have, or something he claims to have read on my profile that isn't actually there, I don't bother answering because they're either sending out form messages or they're being dishonest.

That is certainly a reasonable list of reasons why to not respond to a message.

And my statement that "the majority of guys will take any response as interest", which may or may not be generally true, was based on my experiences and those of my female friends on the not-OKC site. Most of the times that I've said "I'm not interested," I've gotten "Then why did you answer? You must be curious about me or you wouldn't have answered."

Maybe courtesy is so uncommon that they don't know how to act. If I get a response along the lines of "Thanks, but no thanks" I will leave it at that. If they say good luck, I may wish them luck back.

As for the safety thing, I've been cursed out and even flat-out threatened by guys when I've responded to their emails with a "Thanks, but I'm not interested." One guy said he was going to track me down and go after my daughters! (I reported his message to the site.)

That is horrible. Maybe you should have contacted the police.

Some men think as you do, that a woman on a dating site is fair game and is obligated to answer them and be nice to them and do whatever they want because she's on a dating site.

Whoa....is that addressed to me? Fair game? Maybe, as in striking up a conversation. Obligated? No, nobody is obligated to have good manners. I'm not sure where "do whatever they want" came from.

Women don't HAVE TO answer messages. Neither do guys; I've sent messages that have been completely ignored, and I'm fine with that. Just like going into a bar doesn't automatically obligate you to spread your legs or whip out your dick for everyone who asks you to, being on a dating site doesn't automatically obligate you to respond to everyone who contacts you.

I just made a general statement. Nobody HAS to do anything. You are comparing sending a polite message to spreading ones legs? If you are in a bar and a guy offers to buy you a drink, would you look him over then ignore him if he wasn't attractive enough? Or would you just say "No thanks." Or you could accept the drink and converse with the guy a bit instead of making a shallow decision based solely on looks. Of course, you could just be sitting there with no interest in meeting someone, which is often the case in a bar. Hopefully you would respond to him, as people in polite society do. You (and others) are sort of proving my point. It would be awkward to simply ignore someone in a social setting, but it is the norm on the internet.
 
You seem to think that having someone react negatively after being sent a polite "thanks but no thanks" (either by becoming rude and threatening or by becoming stalkerish) is an uncommon thing. It's not. It's probably happened at least once to any female who has had a dating site profile for longer than a week. You are not owed an answer.
 
I think this example is a bit overstated. The majority of men would not respond in such a case.

It would be nice if the majority of men did not answer. But the majority of men do answer. It ranges from "I think it would work out, come on, give me a chance!" to "You ugly bitch nobody would want anything to do with you anyways" but the guys who don't answer at all are definitely in the minority. (An even smaller minority would be guys who answer but leave it at that. For instance "Ah, that's a shame, thanks for responding". You'd think if you turned a guy down and he responded, that would be pretty much the only answer you'd get. But it's so rare most women probably haven't even experienced that answer at all).

So yeah, I think answering messages is nice. I usually do, even to turn someone down. But now, guys don't take it for an answer. They either insist, using the fact you responded as interest and just "playing hard to get", or they get aggressive that you dare think you're so awesome you're allowed to turn them down.

I'd like to note, too, that only a minority of men reply to my messages, so it's not like only women fail to answer. And for the most part, I message a guy because he's just "liked" me, so it's not like they're offline or don't show interest. I guess those are guys who "like" any profile they see, and then only read mine after they get an answer and realise I'm poly and not into casual sex or something.
 
You seem to think that having someone react negatively after being sent a polite "thanks but no thanks" (either by becoming rude and threatening or by becoming stalkerish) is an uncommon thing. It's not. It's probably happened at least once to any female who has had a dating site profile for longer than a week. You are not owed an answer.

I've never done that. I have received one rude response back. I laughed it off, but I can see how that happening on a regular basis could sour you. I imagine it's even worse on the other site you mentioned, though I have had some nice conversations over there.
 
Maybe I am a rude bitch, and my social skills are awkward as hell, but if I were in a bar minding my own business and a random guy offered to buy me a drink, I *would* probably ignore him. At most, I would say "Please leave me alone."

On the other hand, I don't drink, and I don't go to bars unless it's a get-together with a group of friends, mainly because I *don't* want to deal with random men talking to me. Because unfortunately, it's impossible to tell who's a nice guy who'll take no for an answer, and who might be lurking around waiting for you outside the bar because they're going to get what they're after no matter what.

My responses in this thread, and the way I look at situations like that, are unquestionably colored by trauma in my past, but I know other women who have the same fears and feel the same way even if they haven't had the same experiences I have.

In the situation where the guy threatened to track me down and go after my daughters, I didn't contact the police because his profile gave no indication as to his location and because real names aren't available on there so all I could have said was "SuckMyDick2000 on AdultFriendFinder said he's going to come after my daughters." Aside from not having the necessary information for a police report, there's also the stigma surrounding *being* on sites like that in the first place, especially for women in some cases; the police might have been just as likely to say "What do you expect if you're hanging out on a dating site" as to take the threat seriously.
 
I think this example is a bit overstated.
After reading Jon Millward's experiment and hearing some of your examples, KC43, I have to take it back, and admit most guys are just really stupid. And, I guess, in a way, it's why I find it hard to relate to many of them (most of my closest friends have always been women). So, please accept my apologies and continue to reply selectively.

Given this information, if I was a really attractive woman, I'd probably try and tone down my looks and put less flattering pictures online. Then you'd have to deal with a smaller pool of guys in which there might actually be some kind of compatibility. I know of one poly person who actually does do this because otherwise she'd get even more stupid responses than she does with practically no picture out there.
 
Maybe I am a rude bitch, and my social skills are awkward as hell, but if I were in a bar minding my own business and a random guy offered to buy me a drink, I *would* probably ignore him. At most, I would say "Please leave me alone."

On the other hand, I don't drink, and I don't go to bars unless it's a get-together with a group of friends, mainly because I *don't* want to deal with random men talking to me. Because unfortunately, it's impossible to tell who's a nice guy who'll take no for an answer, and who might be lurking around waiting for you outside the bar because they're going to get what they're after no matter what.

My responses in this thread, and the way I look at situations like that, are unquestionably colored by trauma in my past, but I know other women who have the same fears and feel the same way even if they haven't had the same experiences I have.

In the situation where the guy threatened to track me down and go after my daughters, I didn't contact the police because his profile gave no indication as to his location and because real names aren't available on there so all I could have said was "SuckMyDick2000 on AdultFriendFinder said he's going to come after my daughters." Aside from not having the necessary information for a police report, there's also the stigma surrounding *being* on sites like that in the first place, especially for women in some cases; the police might have been just as likely to say "What do you expect if you're hanging out on a dating site" as to take the threat seriously.

My apologies, I did not mean for the discussion to get personal. I was speaking in generalities. You brought up a bar scenario and I used it as an example of social interaction. I realize the internet can be a hostile environment for women. It's a shame that there are so many idiots out there ruining it for everyone.

Apparently my approach to internet dating is completely different from most. I have had some pretty good experiences for the most part. I have never taken it personally if someone doesn't respond. I do limit my initial messaging to people I think are actually a good all around fit for a relationship. I'm not a casual sex kind of guy, but I do know guys who hit on anything/everything. I call that the Percentage Game, as in the more you hit on, the more chance of picking one up. I find that to be obnoxious behavior.

Thank you for giving some insight into the problem.
 
Vinsanity, it didn't get personal, but thanks. It trod on some personal hot-buttons, but I haven't taken anything that's been said personally. Hopefully you haven't either; sometimes I spew out random thought-strands without realizing how they come across.

Ambivulous, thank you. For the men who are respectful and considerate, sometimes it's hard to believe that other men aren't... unfortunately, at least in online dating, the respectful, considerate ones seem to be in the minority.

And that's the thing... some of the behaviors are taken so much for granted that men don't recognize them, and women expect them and take steps to protect themselves. It's a symptom of a way larger problem that I'm not going to get into because I've spent enough time standing up here on this soap box. But hopefully this thread is giving some insight, on both sides...Which is kind of odd given what the thread started out as. But odd in a good way.
 
I posted an article about that earlier in this very thread, in a response to you ;)
I rarely re-read entire threads, so edits made after I've read something the first time get missed.

Given, then, that you already knew how unpleasant it can be to reply to random messages as a woman on a dating site, I'm even more confused about how you can characterise someone choosing not to subject herself to that as "rude".

On a dating site you are an unknown quantity to the women you message. They have no way of knowing if you're a pleasant chap who will say "oh well" and move on or someone who will turn abusive as soon as he's told "no thanks", and they are under no obligation to subject themselves to the possibility of a response from column B just to satisfy your idea of what's polite.
 
I rarely re-read entire threads, so edits made after I've read something the first time get missed.

Given, then, that you already knew how unpleasant it can be to reply to random messages as a woman on a dating site, I'm even more confused about how you can characterise someone choosing not to subject herself to that as "rude".

On a dating site you are an unknown quantity to the women you message. They have no way of knowing if you're a pleasant chap who will say "oh well" and move on or someone who will turn abusive as soon as he's told "no thanks", and they are under no obligation to subject themselves to the possibility of a response from column B just to satisfy your idea of what's polite.

Correction: On a dating site everyone is an unknown quantity.

Now, I would appreciate it if you quit acting like I am making some sort of demands. All I've said is there are a lot of rude people on the internet. Both men and women. It's a damn shame. It's a wonder any of those sites exist.
 
True, but women are much more likely to receive a torrent of abuse from a rejected man than the other way around.

Perhaps if you stop chiding every woman who doesn't reply to every message sent to her by dating site randoms as rude, impolite, lacking in manners, or full of herself, then it would seem less like you are demanding that they change their behaviour.
 
True, but women are much more likely to receive a torrent of abuse from a rejected man than the other way around.

Perhaps if you stop chiding every woman who doesn't reply to every message sent to her by dating site randoms as rude, impolite, lacking in manners, or full of herself, then it would seem less like you are demanding that they change their behaviour.

I haven't chided anyone. If someone does not respond to me I move on. I don't know them well enough to think anything of them. I'm not insecure enough to think ignoring me is a personal slight as they do not know me either. Nor do you know me.
 
From this thread alone:
Also, be aware that not all people on dating sites have manners. Some will just ignore messages if they don't think it's a perfect fit.

Basically what you are saying is "it's internet dating so manners don't count".

it is just common courtesy to respond to a person who took the time to write me a thoughtful and sincere message.

The author seems a little full of herself.

I'm unsure how you expect people to take these other than that if women don't reply to every message they are ill-mannered, discourteous, or full of themselves.

In just about every county on earth women are taught from birth to be polite, not rock the boat, and to prioritise other people's feelings above their own discomfort or even physical danger. Your choice of language to describe why women should expose themselves to unpleasantness in order to spare your feelings shows that you—no doubt unconsciously—buy into that.
 
Well those were all pretty straightforward. I can't help what you think of them.

Funny, but of the four quote you chose, only one of them refers to gender. That statement was regarding her writing style.
 
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