Break-up and trust issues

hydro

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Hello, this is my first post here. I've lurked in the past, always been able to find something applicable to issues I encountered. Right now I'm in what I would call a unique situation.

This requires some backstory. I'll try to only discuss the pertinent information. My life is a series of strangely timed events in general, this is no exception.

Just under a year ago I was completing my first year of graduate school. My fiancee (we'll call eir M) was doing the same, in a different state. We are no strangers to long distance, and have always been poly in theory. Near the end of my semester I met an undergrad (we'll call her T) in a class I was taking. T and I spoke briefly and hit it off during a particular class. As much as I would like to share the details they are unimportant for this, we end up dating producing mine and M's first polyamorous experience. T had been in a different sort of configuration before.

As time progresses T and I develop thick bonds. T begins to have anxieties about my future marriage. We spend a lot of time together, she spends time at my home. I never sleep at her place because of roommate issues. M begins to have a bad time in general and wants to move back with me and finish school in a distance program. M moves back. I make a space in the apartment for T so that we can have a place to be together.

Things aren't perfect. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who is even remotely pleased with the configuration. Granted, it is not ideal. We work out a system with calendars where we plan out when I will be spending time and with whom. Try to make it as fair as possible, but not super rigid. Things come up sometimes and there needs to be malleability.

I'm going off to earn another degree after I complete my master's degree. M will be finished and moving with me, T still needs to complete her degree so will not be moving with me. This produces more anxieties for T.

T has quite a mental unbalance. Tends towards self-harm sometimes. Not always, but it is known to happen. Particularly when anxieties get too bad. There is a component of emotional manipulation, though I think it is unintentional. Things like, "If you left me I don't know if I could stop from hurting myself," or the like.

So now I'm going to move and marry M. T and I agree that we would like to stay together when the time comes, but for now we just want to enjoy being with each other. Plans to skype when I'm gone, I think things are somewhat okay. As my fourth year with M approaches T, again, has a lot of anxieties. We were going out of state for a weekend. I asked for a day, the day of mine and M's anniversary, to not worry about staying in contact with T. This leads to a lot of, "BUT you have another partner. Can't you see I'm a mess? What if I need you?" I try to say that it doesn't mean I don't care, simply that I want freedom to celebrate this day and put all my focus into M.

T and I fight about this point. T tells me that she had considered sabotaging my car so that I couldn't leave. Says she doesn't know what is wrong with herself. She thinks she's a monster, I assure her she is not. We part, not on great terms, but I thought at an okay point.

I am paranoid. T does not have a key to my apartment, but I've loaned her my car keys before. There have been trust issues in the recent past, but I was working through them. I put a dime in the door right at eye level before leaving. I'm pretty sure it's all for naught, and I'm gonna feel like a complete asshole upon returning.

M and I hit the road. M and I have a nice anniversary. T asks if, on my way home, I can swing by and kiss her, I say sure. It's a long drive home, I want to drop my stuff off. M and I return, dime is not where I left it. I go to T. Ask if she has keys. She looks ashamed and says yes. I tell her I'm not okay with this. I'm really, really not okay with this. I can't be with her, because this is a huge violation of my privacy and trust.

I say we can talk later, but I need to process things now. A week goes by, we spend some time together. I tell her that I don't want to be together anymore. It's very sad, but she understands. We talk. Acknowledge that we love each other very much, but that things have been bad for a while. She knows she shouldn't have come into my apartment, she didn't realize that it was going to be hurtful to me (just that it would make me angry, still unacceptable). We part ways on mostly good terms, though I need some time and space for sure.

So, that was long and somewhat convoluted. Here is what's going on. It has been two weeks since I returned to find that my apartment had been accessed. I'm a super forgiving person. M is not. I'm still quite enamored with T. M tells me that ey will support any decision I make, but ey is done with T.

When things don't hurt so bad, I am absolutely going to work on being friends with T. Should I just stay away from any romantic involvement with T? Should I keep an open mind and let it progress beyond platonic if that's what happens? Should I work on forgiving her and be with her? I know there are no clearcut answers, but I'd be interested in hearing what others have to say. I tend to be a leaf in the wind, but it seems that such an approach isn't necessarily best.
 
You can forgive her, possible move towards a friendship with her, but do not get back together with her. She is mentally unstable, borderline obsessed. She made keys to your apartment (change the locks if you haven't already, don't just trust that she gave them back). She talked about sabotaging your car. She needs help. Serious help, which you cannot provide for her.

My boyfriend's teenage son is going through this. Earlier this year he asked my boyfriend to take in a homeless girl in his ROTC program. He's a senior and she's a freshman. He had a steady girlfriend, straight A's, was the CO of his unit, was looking at a scholarship or guaranteed military service. This girl moves in, has a history of self abuse, latches onto him in a hardcore way. Seduces him in his sleep and eventually takes him away from his girlfriend. His grades slip to almost failing. He gets kicked out of his ROTC program due to his grades. He attempts to break up with the girl. He wants to join the Marines after graduation. The girl threatened to hurt herself if he doesn't get back together with her. Now my boyfriend is having to step in and put his foot down. They already had to threaten to call the authorities to force her family to take her back (her familial guardian had tried giving her back to her mom, but her mom refused to take her). This has taken all of 5 months to almost ruin his future and because he doesn't want her to hurt herself, he's let things get out of hand.

You're an adult, who is going to step in when your ex does sabotage your car out of jealousy? I know you love her, but if she's harmed herself and considered sabotaging your car, do you think she might try and harm your fiance - either physically, socially, or financially? Could she have gotten ahold of your personal information while she was in your apartment? Could she have gotten his? I had a client whose ex girlfriend stole his ID and social security card and then had someone else pose as him to get a job so that he would lose his social security benefits. Mentally ill people do crazy things. Protect yourself.
 
Fatal attraction also comes to mind.
 
She does not sound like a partner that can handle poly in a healthy way. I agree, you MUST move on. Have you pondered why your interest in T?

I would be afraid to continue a relationship with T in any way....but I am simply going off of the little bit of information you were able to type in your post.

She sounds dangerous emotionally and mentally, for you and for her.

Just my thoughts.
 
T does not want you to be poly; she is putting zero effort into finding another partner or taking care of her needs during the time she can't be with you; and M will, or if I were here I would, feel like T doesn't want her around and wishes she didn't exist in the relationship. Is that really fair to you or M to take on this girl who wants you all to herself? Or even to T?
 
From having known people like this, I think even trying to maintain a friendship is too much. It'll be an "in" to try to work their way back into where they were before, which was an extremely unhealthy, manipulative place.

It sounds awful, I know, but try to drop all contact for a while. Once you're out from underneath all the manipulation, it'll be easier on you. If she goes nuclear on you once you drop contact, don't cave! She'll just know she can keep manipulating you.
 
If I understand correctly M lives with you...

How about M's privacy and safety?

Why would you want someone who is bat shit crazy in your life?
 
T has quite a mental unbalance. Tends towards self-harm sometimes. Not always, but it is known to happen. Particularly when anxieties get too bad. There is a component of emotional manipulation, though I think it is unintentional. Things like, "If you left me I don't know if I could stop from hurting myself," or the like.

My wife was a cutter. Honestly, I took it as emotional manipulation but then I started to trust her words, and listen. She was honestly open, but her anxieties are uncontrollable. Once the anxieties kicked in, she cut. The cutting while relating in a way to all sort of things, really couldn't be stopped.

I am hoping she is seeking help for it. Usually just need a redirected outlet.. for my wife it was quitting drinking and a whole lot of emotional stability several years ago.

All of that said.. my response isn't positive.

"BUT you have another partner. Can't you see I'm a mess? What if I need you?" I try to say that it doesn't mean I don't care, simply that I want freedom to celebrate this day and put all my focus into M.

She sounds young.. or obtuse.. or emotionally insecure, or all of the above.

T and I fight about this point. T tells me that she had considered sabotaging my car so that I couldn't leave. Says she doesn't know what is wrong with herself. She thinks she's a monster, I assure her she is not. We part, not on great terms, but I thought at an okay point.

She is.. honestly. In her head, she has something very fatal attraction. She needs help and I hope she is getting it. Sometimes these anxieties get fixed with meds, sometimes they get fixed with open discussion with a group, sometimes with a councillor. She won't know what could help if she doesn't do it.

I am paranoid.

I don't think you are actually...

T does not have a key to my apartment, but I've loaned her my car keys before. There have been trust issues in the recent past, but I was working through them. I put a dime in the door right at eye level before leaving. I'm pretty sure it's all for naught, and I'm gonna feel like a complete asshole upon returning.

You can't build a relationship (friendship, lover, ex's etc) on a lack of trust. You sure can't do it built on fear.

Should I just stay away from any romantic involvement with T? Should I keep an open mind and let it progress beyond platonic if that's what happens? Should I work on forgiving her and be with her? I know there are no clearcut answers, but I'd be interested in hearing what others have to say. I tend to be a leaf in the wind, but it seems that such an approach isn't necessarily best.

I wouldn't get re-involved at all. She needs help. You need space, she needs to drop the creepy.. I am not a "leaf in the wind" person at all. It doesn't suit me, I can't do it. I would avoid friendship altogether at the very least until she got help..
 
If I understand correctly M lives with you...

How about M's privacy and safety?

Why would you want someone who is bat shit crazy in your life?

This.. this this this..

Any involvement in this case puts others at risk. This isn't just the usual non-monogamy fear dance going on. This is actual bat shit fear crazy..
 
I will say this about being a "leaf in the wind" - some people find it great and admirable to go with the flow, but I see it as letting your environment control your life without taking responsibility (if you let it go too far). She will steer your life if you let her, and it *will* impact M as well as you.

Being a leaf is fine, to a point. The analogy falls apart when you see how many leaves get snagged in the underbrush. No more soaring for them.
 
Thank you, everybody, for your advice. I think I had more-or-less decided that the recommendations from you all was what I was going to do. I needed to hear it from an 'objective' audience. It also helped to see things more clearly when I typed it all out.

For what it's worth, T acknowledges and is actively trying to address her instabilities. She started being medicated several months ago after an event and is currently enrolled in therapy for folks with BPD. I hope someday I can be supportive as a friend. Right now I definitely need distance and time to not hurt.

Further, I'm definitely not looking to put M at risk. Locks have been changed, and I think we are pretty secure otherwise. Precautions are good, though I don't think it will ultimately be an issue. At least I hope it won't.

Thanks, again.
 
I will say this about being a "leaf in the wind" - some people find it great and admirable to go with the flow, but I see it as letting your environment control your life without taking responsibility (if you let it go too far). She will steer your life if you let her, and it *will* impact M as well as you.

Being a leaf is fine, to a point. The analogy falls apart when you see how many leaves get snagged in the underbrush. No more soaring for them.

Haha. I like your underbrush component to the analogy. I'm not a complete leaf in the wind. A lot of the times I just like to let things happen as they will. My current career trajectory and the decision to break up with T were definitely not passive actions. I absolutely need to consider M more thoroughly in the future. We have learned a lot from this experience, I think we will be better people because of it.

Cheers.
 
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