Help; It, Again

FeralGeek

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My girlfriend shall be S, her husband K.

We have a group message, created by K and named after S. In it, K was speaking about his boredom-induced fiddling around with the homebrew DnD setting i had been slowly introducing to the two of them, along with a few others. He was rambling a bit, as he is wont, and spoke rather brusquely about something that i’ve been marinating on for longer than my teenage son has been alive and i didn’t appreciate the indelicacy. I didn’t consider the disrespect particularly personal at the time and after considering letting it slide, i decided to finally risk pointing out that he had, in very real point of fact, hurt my feelings with how he had phrased his reference to what i was sure was otherwise a very pleasurable afternoon of talking to an AI bot.

He attempted to reframe his words to take me out of the equation and eliminate any potential offense and i threw him the bone of acknowledging how much he was obviously enjoying playing in the world i created (to be fair) to be played in, he had just accidentally struck my nerves a few times when he “[sketched] random stuff” based entirely on something i had (i think) pretty clearly shown how much I valued. I made it very clear that a boundary had been crossed and that i wasn’t sure how to let him keep playing at worldbuilding without stepping on my toes.

Not long after that, K texted me on the side, outside of S’s group chat. He called me "buddy" and tried to metaphorically put his arm around my shoulder and explain how when more than two people are talking, the third can be made uncomfortable and, well, i had made the unfortunate mistake of accidentally making my girlfriend, his wife, uncomfortable.

Don’t worry, he asked her before he texted. She said she was. Uncomfortable, that is. We both knew she was in an appointment and wouldn’t be responding for at least another hour or so, too.

Anyway, while he acknowledged that the initial faux pas was a molehill, he also made a point to mention that he “[was not] going to talk more about that as I feel we’ve come to terms with it.” Worse, he wanted to make a deal with me to always come to him before risking making S uncomfortable, and it made it clear that this agreement was being offered without her knowledge and was intended to be kept a secret from her. You know, the old digital analog for a contract between aristocratic dicks.

This was of course upsetting. Understandably so, i thought.

I told my girlfriend that i would not be reaching out to K to follow up after i responded to his wall of text with my protestation that her absence in the conversation made ME uncomfortable and he spouted off something about his authority to speak on her behalf. Idk, i didn’t bother to read most of it, tbh.

Over a week later, he finally texted me to “clarify” any “misunderstandings” i might be having about his willingness to meet with me directly and professionally and to negotiate a peaceful resolution. Maybe his interpersonal skills were lost in translation last time, nevertheless, he is also unwilling to talk about who may or may not have been allegedly guilty of who says what anyway and he hoped he cleared that up and also that he wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists. More or less. I had done my grieving for my lost friend and the future paths now closed off to me by that point, so i simply reminded him that it's difficult to negotiate with someone who wants nothing you have.
 
For catharsis, here are some preemptive thoughts:
When S and i began dating, it was with the explicit understanding that her husband was not a prerequisite in any form. During the whole above weekish period, I maintained contact with S and did my best to have healthy boundaries while also being clear about all of our responsibilities for each other’s emotional states, which did admittedly get complex and i needed red string.
S and i are still dating and K has not responded since.

Regarding the Term “Metamour:”
I hate this stupid word. Just because it features a root word that means love does not mean i owe the man anything beyond human decency and i think this term has done the community a disservice by accidentally implying more. My hot take.
S’s husband is my “metamour” in the same way that her dad is K’s father-in-law; no more, no less. I am her “paramour” because “by love” she has me in addition to her husband, but he and i are literally nothing at all to each other beyond sharing a degree of interpersonal connection. We carry no mind-bending, genre-defying layer of love on top of the love “between” us or whatever. I used to be lucky when we were close and i trusted the guy as a friend, and now i am back to looking like someone who didn’t take the Lucky feature during startup.
I have a grudge. I like to rant. There are people in this life who would never guess i don’t like the word, but many things can be true at once.

Speaking for Others
I have a pretty hard rule that i even teach my kids: don’t let anyone speak for you unless you ask them directly or you are incapacitated.
SUBRULE, if someone speaks to you on behalf of someone else and you have even a single follow-up question that that person cannot answer and/or it smells funny, immediately double-check with that third, absent person; verify this person who feels so entitled. Anyone who feels insulted that you’re being protective of the person THEY’re claiming to be acting with the authority of deserves suspicion.
I will admit that there are people who have somehow escaped this life unscathed by trauma that leaves scars in the shapes of mine and actually do trust someone to speak for them in absentia, i just cannot do that trust fall.

Meta-Commentary
I didn’t put this in the Poly Relationship Corner for the same reason i don’t feed the tourists in the Wanted section of the site: less unwanted traffic.
 
Mostly the same. My relationship with my girlfriend is solid, but her husband is not comfortable being around me, so I can’t spend time at theirs unless he has other plans that take him out of the house, which wouldn't be as big of a deal, except that I am not living in my own space atm, so we had been relying on their home for our ‘cule home base.
 
For catharsis, here are some preemptive thoughts:
When S and i began dating, it was with the explicit understanding that her husband was not a prerequisite in any form. During the whole above weekish period, I maintained contact with S and did my best to have healthy boundaries while also being clear about all of our responsibilities for each other’s emotional states, which did admittedly get complex and i needed red string.
S and i are still dating and K has not responded since.

Regarding the Term “Metamour:”
I hate this stupid word. Just because it features a root word that means love does not mean i owe the man anything beyond human decency and i think this term has done the community a disservice by accidentally implying more. My hot take.
S’s husband is my “metamour” in the same way that her dad is K’s father-in-law; no more, no less. I am her “paramour” because “by love” she has me in addition to her husband, but he and i are literally nothing at all to each other beyond sharing a degree of interpersonal connection. We carry no mind-bending, genre-defying layer of love on top of the love “between” us or whatever. I used to be lucky when we were close and i trusted the guy as a friend, and now i am back to looking like someone who didn’t take the Lucky feature during startup.
I have a grudge. I like to rant. There are people in this life who would never guess i don’t like the word, but many things can be true at once.

Speaking for Others
I have a pretty hard rule that i even teach my kids: don’t let anyone speak for you unless you ask them directly or you are incapacitated.
SUBRULE, if someone speaks to you on behalf of someone else and you have even a single follow-up question that that person cannot answer and/or it smells funny, immediately double-check with that third, absent person; verify this person who feels so entitled. Anyone who feels insulted that you’re being protective of the person THEY’re claiming to be acting with the authority of deserves suspicion.
I will admit that there are people who have somehow escaped this life unscathed by trauma that leaves scars in the shapes of mine and actually do trust someone to speak for them in absentia, i just cannot do that trust fall.

Meta-Commentary
I didn’t put this in the Poly Relationship Corner for the same reason i don’t feed the tourists in the Wanted section of the site: less unwanted traffic.
I’m getting major bad vibes from the husband, mainly from a few things:

- I think your gut instinct is right, it was gross to try to covertly implement himself as a guard/safekeeper of his girlfriend’s emotions. Even with the best intentions (and it’s doubtful that they are), it still robs agency from your girlfriend to handle herself.

- Some people prefer interpersonal conflict to take place between the people in question, so I can see where the uncomfortableness might come from. That being said, I feel like that’s an issue that she could’ve went to you directly about. Honestly, it’s a bit ironic that the response was to have the husband come in as a (potentially self-appointed) mediator.

- I feel very strongly about this. I HATE when people try to explain to you how you should feel about a situation. It’s condescending and often manipulative. It also reeks of being unable to own the impacts of your actions, even if they’re unintended.

Thanks for sharing your story. Hope the holidays are going well :)
 
The holidays go, whether we like it or not! I am doing my part to make them merry and bright.

@YesThisIsDog242, our instincts align, it seems. Most of my internal explanations for his behavior do a much better job of passing Occam's Razor than anything he's specifically said about his own motivations. I appreciate the sounding board: it's easy to start second guessing yourself when you're stuck in the middle of a situation for too long without outside input.
 
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