Insecure secondary over a tertiary?

Glenn

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So my primary isn't really worry about any of my other partners, she's very relaxed about them. My secondary though often struggles with jealousy with my female friends, which can often be difficult. I have a pretty heavy kink streak that I've been stuffing for a while though as it doesn't appeal to either of the girls.
I've been considering getting a kink playmate, I'm trying to figure out the best way to discuss this with my secondary so that she doesn't feel hurt or inadequate. This isn't a complete necessity for me, but it is difficult to not be permitted to have this aspect in my life. I've spoken to a potential kink partner a bit about it, she's fine keeping things purely top/bottom.
Any ideas how to discuss this with me l my secondary in a way that she'll perhaps understand and be ok with?
 
Hi Glenn,
I can think of a number of reasons why your secondary might be feeling insecure, envious, jealous, or fearful of change. Her feelings might be related to you, they might not. If she could identify the source of the feelings (perhaps by posting here?), that would help a lot in giving advice.

My first question is - how are you and she doing time-wise? Is she satisfied with the time and energy that you have available for her? How is your and her relationship growing?

Another possible concern, which is valid, is that kink play is frequently intimate and sexual in nature. Feelings tend to go hand in hand in hand with sex, vulnerability, and intimacy. I realize you are fine keeping things "purely" Top/bottom, but it is reasonable for your secondary to foresee something more coming out of this relationship. I recommend being careful not to make promises now that you could have difficulty keeping in the future.

A reasonable approach might be to tell your secondary that if/when anything does change for you and your playmate, you will let her know right away. No surprises.

"...but it is difficult to not be permitted to have this aspect in my life." What agreements do you have in place that involve permission? I am sensing resentment here and it would help to identify the source of that as well before it turns into a fight all its own.

I hope you and your secondary can provide some more information and I wish you both the best.
 
She actually requests less time than I offer her. I do everything I can to provide her everything she needs. She often had a hard time identifying her needs though, which is challenging.

I realize that despite our intent to keep things simply kink, they may develop, and will of course be totally up front and honest with her, I always am.

She technically had no actually current rights to say who I can or can't see, however I would never see anyone without her permission. It's just that she struggles with sharing me, we didn't really intend to get together and though she tries to be ok, she's really not with many aspects.

She's got a hard time with communication due to past relationships, we put a lot into trying to work through her history and stuff.
 
Glenn, it sounds like there are a lot of difficulties in your relationship with your secondary that aren't really articulated or dealt with. You will often see cautionary advice in these threads that says that poly will expose cracks in your relationship that you didn't even know existed. There are so many challenges. Be solid with your partner before venturing further. This is usually said about primary relationships, but I find it to be true for myself as a secondary, too.

Rocky relationships are rocky (primary, secondary, tertiary, whatevs) and adding significant, new variables with lots of future unknowns doesn't improve the situation.

I don't know how long you have been with your secondary. Perhaps she will feel more secure with time. Is she still on the polyamory learning curve? Do you and she have agreements and/or boundaries or is the relationship closer to a poly anarchy model?

You mentioned other issues with her past. However, her issues are hers to resolve - or not. Her choice. There is no way to convince her to be okay with your actions if she's just not feeling it. You can't keep her from feeling hurt or inadequate, you can only respond to her reactions as best you can. Different people will react different ways to the same set of facts. She could own her feelings and choices and be okay with them herself.

"I do everything I can to provide her everything she needs." This...isn't realistic. I'm sure it makes you feel good to provide for her, but it sounds co-dependent. She will find what needs from you or others - and she'll do a better job of that once she can identify those needs.

By the same token, I think you could own your feelings and choices, too. "She technically had no actually current rights to say who I can or can't see, however I would never see anyone without her permission." If you chose not to see anyone until she okays it, that is your choice, not her restricting you.

I hear that you are frustrated with your choice. You could choose differently and accept the consequences. Either way, I recommend being as clear as possible with her about what you are up to. It sounds like you are doing just that.

Since we don't know why she is jealous or worried about changes, the best advice I have is to talk to her, acknowledge any fears she may have as valid, don't minimize or dismiss them. Don't make iffy promises. @sparklepop just posted a link to great writing on how to validate without necessarily agreeing. Heck, @sparklepop's entire comment has great advice for talking to your secondary. http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72068

When you and she have said everything you want to say, it is up to each of you to make your choices about how you want to proceed. Own your feelings/reactions without making the other person responsible for you. I hope you will find areas of agreement.

Perhaps others will have a different take on your situation, but I hope there is something in what I've said that helps you sort things out.
 
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BTW - if you haven't tried it yet, you can run a Search in this forum for "kink" or "BDSM" as a keyword or Tag to look for similar stories.
 
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