Maybe, maybe not. Please help me decide.

JonathanX

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Help all,
I have met somebody who is poly. I have always been mono so far. Before I fully open up to her, and risk heartache, wanted to ask the community a few questions.
I could ask her, but she is always massively pro poly. With lines like: monogamy is the wrong way, people were not made to be monogamous. And: Friends who I tell about polyamory are often jealous.

Personally feel mono, poly, or monk are just lifestyles that a person can accept or not. There is acceptance, but enjoyment also needs to be taken into account.

The jealous line shocked a bit. Made me think why should I be jealous of somebody who if their partners are busy with others has nobody on the days when they may need them, who could have nobody on joyous days when they would love to share. They have benefits, different people to meet different needs, but see it all as swings and roundabouts, no one way better than the other, just different.

Ok, question time and worries.

In a firm secure well chosen mono relationship (not talking at the getting to know stage, talking love, living together), you often view the picture in long term. The couple may notice others, but nothing is done about it, not opening your heart to others, so not getting involved (yes cheating exists, and some times relationships die, but the aim is often long term). In my years of relationships, of course other people have caught my eyes, but out of respect for partner, I stop anything from developing, and it feels good, a sign of commitment to partner.
A wonderful expression I like is if the grass looks greener on the other site, the water your own grass.

What honestly scares me in a poly relationship is that there feels like no longterm commitment protection. Love is infinite, but time and where your body is, is not. I could spend five years with her seeing her once twice a week, but as they are open to new relationships. They could meet somebody else, form a deep connection that at the time feels better than the one I have with her, then move to the other end of the country, and it ends. Where with mono if the person is content and happy, that deep connection with somebody else is avoided.
There would be a perpetual sword of Damocles just hanging there.

My question is, are you happy with this? How do you cope with this?

The poly pool. I meet hundreds of women. In the last six months would not be surprised if I had not seen over two thousand, and talked to (innocently) 500+. Believe that chemistry is rare, and have felt it with a few. Believe that mental compatibility is less rare, and felt that with a few more. Of those hundreds, maybe four who I have thought I could have a respectful fun relationship with. One was married, one was a lesbian, one wanted a third in her couple, and the fourth is poly. Where are the mono passionate, fun, straight or bi, intelligent women????

Poly people seem to meet other poly people, or pull mono people in. This must mean that there is a much smaller pool (gene pool analogy, not fish) of people for them to choose from. I know I am a fussy bugger. But if I were to become poly, then list of potential partners would be the same (unless. I wanted to pull in other monos) as deciding only to date albinos. Is it not much harder to be as selective with partners when the selection is soo small, or do you fine that the personality traits are often the same, and if you love one poly, then you may love many more?

The part that put me off the most was that she showed me a picture of her talking to one person, with her other hand behind her back holding hands with another. She saw this as sharing love. I saw this as not giving your full attention to one person or another. If I talk to somebody whilst the conversation is going on, I am totally concentrating on them, empathising, trying to see their point of view, really listening. Could not imaging half paying attention to them, and half enjoying and focusing on the sensations in my hand from somebody else. Feels to me like in the middle of a deep conversation whipping out a phone and writing a text at the same time.

She viewed the picture as wonderful, I viewed it as deeply un-respectful. If she had reached a natural stopping point in the conversation, the rolled over and became playful with the other, then rolled back after and continued, would have found that fine.

Is this normal poly behaviour? (Specifically not talking about group sex here, just conversation)

Until the picture was thinking maybe the poly lifestyle could be right for me, but the picture and responses made me shudder.

Final quick question, in reading through this board, nearly all messages are unhappy ones. Vastly impressed by the replies people have given, logical, open and well thought out, but do you think that being poly is much harder than being mono?

Jonathan X
 
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Missed a bit :)

One last small addition. If I went poly, it would not be just for her. She has brought it to my attention, and want to seriously think through it and consider it. If I decide no, then No relationship with her, if I decide yes, would then embrace the lifestyle (and her).

What I do not wish to do, is be poly for her, and run off as soon as a serious mono relationship appears. Respect her more than that. Would never desire anybody to be a stopgap.

Jonathan X
 
People who are happy do not often seek advice on the internet. This is true in every instance - not just in regards to love relationships. When I adopted my two older children from the foster care system, there were plenty of sites to look at when I needed assistance and recommendations for difficulties, and there was hardly anything at all touting the positive experiences others had. I started my own positive site, and I received at least one email a day, every day, telling me how refreshing and wonderful to hear that there were happy endings. (This site has been defunct for 10 years now, and my children are grown.) anyway, the point is, people are more likely to reach out for help than search for places to brag about how great their lives are.

At least, that's my view of things.

As far as the photo that disturbed you, ask her. I hold hands while talking with others. However, not in the middle of serious conversation. If we are discussing where to go to dinner, or what movie to see, holding hands with my husband will not derail the conversation with my boyfriend. I do this all the time. If she was in the middle of a serious emotional talk, I doubt she would have been calm enough for a photo to be taken!

Also, not all poly relationships have to overlap. Metamours don't have to be present at all when you are seeing your beloved.
 
It sounds simply like you will be unable to feel happy in the absence of monogamy. That's fine. Meet someone wonderful and be monogamous.
 
some thoughts

I have met somebody who is poly. I have always been mono so far. Before I fully open up to her, and risk heartache, wanted to ask the community a few questions. I could ask her, but she is always massively pro poly. With lines like: monogamy is the wrong way, people were not made to be monogamous. And: Friends who I tell about polyamory are often jealous.

Is she new to poly? New folks are often gung ho about poly and want everyone to think the shiny new thing they have discovered is awesome too. Poly is the wrong way for her, she was not made to be monogamous. Poly is not inherently better across the board. There is nothing wrong with being monogamous.

Personally feel mono, poly, or monk are just lifestyles that a person can accept or not. There is acceptance, but enjoyment also needs to be taken into account.

If it is all suffering, ain't nobody got time for that!

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In a firm secure well chosen mono relationship (not talking at the getting to know stage, talking love, living together), you often view the picture in long term. The couple may notice others, but nothing is done about it, not opening your heart to others, so not getting involved (yes cheating exists, and some times relationships die, but the aim is often long term). In my years of relationships, of course other people have caught my eyes, but out of respect for partner, I stop anything from developing, and it feels good, a sign of commitment to partner. A wonderful expression I like is if the grass looks greener on the other site, the water your own grass.

What honestly scares me in a poly relationship is that there feels like no longterm commitment protection. Love is infinite, but time and where your body is, is not. I could spend five years with her seeing her once twice a week, but as they are open to new relationships. They could meet somebody else, form a deep connection that at the time feels better than the one I have with her, then move to the other end of the country, and it ends. Where with mono if the person is content and happy, that deep connection with somebody else is avoided. There would be a perpetual sword of Damocles just hanging there. My question is, are you happy with this? How do you cope with this?

One answer is that the concept of being protected from loss, from the possibility of relationships ending, by monogamy is false. The scenario you describe could and does happen to monogamous people in monogamous relationships. Monogamy does not stop people from falling in love with others, or being unhappy in current relationship and starting to think about going elsewhere.

Another answer is that some poly folks focus less on relationships 'meant' to last forever. It does not mean they lack commitment but it does mean they don't assume all romantic relationships are for forever. Monogamy does assume this - kind of the point actually. But most romantic relationships - poly, open, or mono or something in-between - don't last a lifetime. This does not mean there is no heartbreak or grief or loss when a relationship ends between poly folks. There is. But there is greater acceptance that relationships come in different shapes, sizes and, yes, time frames.

For many poly folks, commitment may look and feel different than monogamous relationships. There is no expectation of sexual fidelity or emotional fidelity. (Although not always - poly land is diverse!). Time is always a concern - you are correct - it is a limited resource. 'Poly-saturated' is a term people use to indicate they've reached their personal limit of how many partners they give time and attention to. It will not look like focusing all one's attention and time on one partner all the time. But commitment is there.

Monogamous folks often post here about their fears of being replaced, of another being better, and losing their partner. I suggest searching for tags that have things like monogamy, mono/poly and similar to see other threads that touch on this. It comes up a lot.

And, yes, sometimes poly is just hard. I don't experience it as being harder than monogamy. It is hard to think of a relationship that has an expiration date. I recently broke up with my ex-boyfriend because I wasn't getting my needs met. I had considered that relationship to be unlikely to be long term. (We were together 2 years). It's been painful and sad. But I don't regret the relationship. I'm glad it happened even as I hurt over missing him and what we had. I learned a great deal and grew. Our time together was overall good. Poly folks tend to see relationships as opportunities to grow and to help others grow. (Monogamous folks do this too but I perceive it to be a more common attitude in poly land.)

The poly pool. I meet hundreds of women. In the last six months would not be surprised if I had not seen over two thousand, and talked to (innocently) 500+. Believe that chemistry is rare, and have felt it with a few. Believe that mental compatibility is less rare, and felt that with a few more. Of those hundreds, maybe four who I have thought I could have a respectful fun relationship with.

Poly people seem to meet other poly people, or pull mono people in. This must mean that there is a much smaller pool (gene pool analogy, not fish) of people for them to choose from. I know I am a fussy bugger. But if I were to become poly, then list of potential partners would be the same (unless. I wanted to pull in other monos) as deciding only to date albinos. Is it not much harder to be as selective with partners when the selection is soo small, or do you fine that the personality traits are often the same, and if you love one poly, then you may love many more?

Yes, one's dating pool shrinks when poly. Although not so bad as only dating albinos! Most people prefer monogamy. I am also fussy - I rarely meet people I am compatible with. It's just a fact of my personality and who I find attractive, and who finds me attractive. If you want a wider pool, then staying monogamous is a fine strategy. One of my exes decided to go this very route - he did not want to limit potential partners to just those agreeable with poly or open relationships. Very broadly speaking, men tend to experience a smaller pool. More non-poly men seem willing to be with a poly woman than non-poly women are willing to try with a poly man. I say very broadly because this has not been my personal experience - the men I've seen tend to date more than I do. (I suspect it's because they're sluts! jk! :D)

The part that put me off the most was that she showed me a picture of her talking to one person, with her other hand behind her back holding hands with another. She saw this as sharing love. I saw this as not giving your full attention to one person or another. If I talk to somebody whilst the conversation is going on, I am totally concentrating on them, empathising, trying to see their point of view, really listening. Could not imaging half paying attention to them, and half enjoying and focusing on the sensations in my hand from somebody else. Feels to me like in the middle of a deep conversation whipping out a phone and writing a text at the same time. She viewed the picture as wonderful, I viewed it as deeply un-respectful. If she had reached a natural stopping point in the conversation, the rolled over and became playful with the other, then rolled back after and continues, would have found that fine.

Is this normal poly behaviour? (Specifically not talking about group sex here, just conversation)

Depends on the person. Some like to touch their partners whenever possible, including when other partners are present. However, poly folks understand that relationships are inherently one on one. They are dyads, even if there are more than two. For example, Brigid, Danny, and Steven are a triad - meaning Brigid and Danny are romantically involved, Brigid and Steven are a couple too, and Danny and Steve are also romantic partners. But each of those three pairings is a dyad needing individual time and attention from both involved. (The overall triad is another relationship needing care and attention too but the base is the dyadic relationships among the three.) Even if Brigid holds hands with Danny while Steven's head is in her lap, it does not automatically mean needs for time and attention are not being meant, either in that moment of the picture or outside of that 'frame'.

Other poly folks, myself included, want friendly relationships with my metamours (the partners of my partner) but we also don't need to spend time with them, all hang out and such. That is very much an individual decision. As for group sex, although you didn't highlight it, that is also very individual. Some have group sex, others don't.

Final quick question, in reading through this board, nearly all messages are unhappy ones. Vastly impressed by the replies people have given, logical, open and well thought out, but do you think that being poly is much harder than being mono?

Selection bias. People who write on this board are often seeking assistance with a problem they have. Happy people just don't write. I'm an example. I tend to write on my blog when I am unhappy and trying to figure things out. When content, I either don't write in my blog at all or write much less. Tolstoy's adage about happy families being all the same is true for poly folks too.

I answered this above I realized. However, poly does have more moving parts. It will challenge everything you 'know' about relationships. That kind of personal growth is difficult. You have to actually think about all of your assumptions such as what is a partner, what is commitment, what is love, how to show love to another, what are the boundaries to set, and so on. It is hard. I don't perceive it as harder. Others may disagree.
 
Next question?

Feel if I lived in a commune where love was all around, and really cared about the people, then it would be absolutely fine. In my mind it looks much better than monogamy. Jealousy would not be a problem, there would always be somebody to share with on those odd times when there is a need rather than just a desire.

With poly feel if there is only one pathway in, and 80% of the time it is closed, you would be left isolated.

Only way, for me, I could see poly working, is if also had multiple connections, but that would take a long long time to build up.

Sorry if sounding passionless and logical about it. Much prefer to solidly make up mind and try to make it work, than try it halfheartedly with worries.

There are plenty of positive aspects I see about poly, but have focused on the negatives, and those are the areas that are spiky.

After a lot of rambling, my question would be: For the mono people who joined a poly person who had many (I think she currently has around 5 active) relationships. How did you cope at the beginning? How hard did you find it to build your own network?

Jonathan X
 
Help all,
I have met somebody who is poly. I have always been mono so far. Before I fully open up to her, and risk heartache, wanted to ask the community a few questions.
I could ask her, but she is always massively pro poly. With lines like: monogamy is the wrong way, people were not made to be monogamous. And: Friends who I tell about polyamory are often jealous.

Personally feel mono, poly, or monk are just lifestyles that a person can accept or not. There is acceptance, but enjoyment also needs to be taken into account.

In my experience, there are two main reasons (that may overlap) that people do poly. First, some are fiercely autonomous. Their personal freedom is paramount at all times. This fits well with poly; not so well with monogamy. The second is that some are not merely capable of loving more than one person at a time, they just find in the ordinary comings and goings of life, they love easily. To avoid falling in love with more than one person they would have to live like a monk. And it's excruciating for them to choose.

There are other reasons. I do not fit into the either of those main reasons. I am capable of loving more than one, but like you, I am fussy. However, I am about what works. I was in a closed vee for a couple of decades until our hinge died. We all lived together. It was an uber secure arrangement. No one ever had to be alone unless they chose to be. How did I get there? Just kind of fell into it, and we were all open-minded enough to give it a shot.

The jealous line shocked a bit. Made me think why should I be jealous of somebody who if their partners are busy with others has nobody on the days when they may need them, who could have nobody on joyous days when they would love to share. They have benefits, different people to meet different needs, but see it all as swings and roundabouts, no one way better than the other, just different.

While many do practice poly as you described; there are other ways as I described above.


In a firm secure well chosen mono relationship (not talking at the getting to know stage, talking love, living together), you often view the picture in long term......What honestly scares me in a poly relationship is that there feels like no longterm commitment protection.

It all depends on how people approach it. There are many poly people on this board (besides me) who do have lifetime commitments. Maybe start a new thread asking them to chime in? You've already heard my story.

So while there are poly people who are more loose in their commitments. There are those who are just as committed as any mono partner.

Love is infinite, but time and where your body is, is not. I could spend five years with her seeing her once twice a week, but as they are open to new relationships. They could meet somebody else, form a deep connection that at the time feels better than the one I have with her, then move to the other end of the country, and it ends. Where with mono if the person is content and happy, that deep connection with somebody else is avoided.
There would be a perpetual sword of Damocles just hanging there.

This is mono thinking. Why would it have to end? Yes, she may move - she may move because she gets a better job or home to family if there is a crisis - but that doesn't mean the relationship has to end. You just cope with it. People with military partners are separated for months, sometimes years at a time. Is it tough? Sure. Do they make it work? A lot of them do.


Of those hundreds, maybe four who I have thought I could have a respectful fun relationship with. One was married, one was a lesbian, one wanted a third in her couple, and the fourth is poly. Where are the mono passionate, fun, straight or bi, intelligent women????

LOL! Most poly people will tell you they mostly meet mono people. They need to be looking in your neck of the woods! But yes, the poly pool is small, and being very fussy doesn't help. I get that, I am fussy too.

Here is the thing, I can be mono or poly. Not locking myself in. Right now my relationship is mono. We are both very selective, prefer intimate, closed configurations, and are not so attached to being poly that we feel inclined to put any effort into making it happen. If the right individual fell into our laps, we would be open to a poly configuration. That said, we could conceivably be mono indefinitely.
The part that put me off the most was that she showed me a picture of her talking to one person, with her other hand behind her back holding hands with another. She saw this as sharing love

She viewed the picture as wonderful, I viewed it as deeply un-respectful.

Is this normal poly behaviour? (Specifically not talking about group sex here, just conversation)

I do not have a clear picture of the context here from your description. Apologies. Did you find her behavior deceptive? I am not sure what you took offense to.

As for normal poly behavior? Poly is outside the default societal norm. There is no guidebook. We discuss what seems reasonable, logical, and psychologically healthy, but we are mapping new territory. The word "normal" really doesn't apply.
Final quick question, in reading through this board, nearly all messages are unhappy ones. Vastly impressed by the replies people have given, logical, open and well thought out, but do you think that being poly is much harder than being mono?

Jonathan X

I agree with Bluebird. People are much more likely to reach out when they are struggling; not when everything is okay.
 
Heroine

Opalescent, you are my hero of the week. Reading that was wonderful. :)
Though do admit that 'ain't nobody got time for that!' Was read in the accent of Sweet Brown. (Everybody, please YouTube it if you have not seen it)

Thank you for an open reply.

When I mentioned a pool of people, I do not sleep around. Since my last relationship a year ago, have not even kissed anybody. Need to feel respect, chemistry, and emotions first. Have been on a very good number of half dates, just nobody has felt right. So the pool size concern was just that I know the people that get into my blood, that I really hit it off with are very rare.

The poly lady feels right. If she was mono, then would be exploring the possibilities now. If she had one other partner, then a much easier decision, but to not be a couple, but to be one of a couple, and another couple, and a couple more makes me such a small slice in her life.

If I met a mono person, even if they were not as wonderful, but knew that I would be more than 16% of her life. It would be very tempting.

Thank you all, typing these messages has put thoughts straight in my mind.
The big question is am I happy being in just a 15th of a relationship for however long it takes to meet others to join the collective which could be years. Or would I prefer to continue being single, just friends with her, and be open to other relationships that come my way?

Thank you all again.

Jonathan x x
 
My blood with gentle horror thrilled

Grrrrr Bookbug.
Just when I think it is all cut and dry, your reply comes along. Really respect your honesty. :)

What you have I could live with. Three people in a relationship I could understand.

The lady in question, and I will keep details as vague as possible, as she may be on these boards despairing right now, is much more 'active'. She has had over 37 sexual partners over time, and I am not sure how many other connections where sex did not happen.

If it were just her and a partner (male or female. I am straight, but would not bother me as long as the other person loved her), then this would all be much simpler.
 
Grrrrr Bookbug.
Just when I think it is all cut and dry, your reply comes along. Really respect your honesty. :)

What you have I could live with. Three people in a relationship I could understand.

The lady in question, and I will keep details as vague as possible, as she may be on these boards despairing right now, is much more 'active'. She has had over 37 sexual partners over time, and I am not sure how many other connections where sex did not happen.

If it were just her and a partner (male or female. I am straight, but would not bother me as long as the other person loved her), then this would all be much simpler.

L0L! Sorry for making it more confusing.

As for the woman in question, I would not be in a relationship with someone as active as she is - not due to the number of partners, but because of the issue of time as you previously mentioned. Not judging her. Just isn't my thing. I prefer very deep relationships, and that takes lots of time spent together.

It appears you actually have two questions: poly or not; relationship with the gal in question or not. It appears you have answered the latter. Perhaps as to the former, maybe just keep it open, and go with what works?
 
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Thoughts.

Fairly sure have reached a conclusion with all your help.

I could be poly, if it was intense, deeply emotional, and with just a couple. Or poly if it was many many, a community who all cared very deeply about each other, though that does feel quite utopian when chemistry, and mental compatibility is so rare.

The lady in question, would never ask somebody to change their lifestyle, nobody has the right to do that, and the group sex and multiple partners is a big part of her life. Respect her choices, but a 16% of a relationship is just not enough. Need intensity and passion in day to day life.
Somebody offering more of theirselves would always be tempting during that 84%, and the probability of them being happy with poly is very slim.

If she was mono or just with one other, then would be with her right now if she wanted me.

Would never use somebody as a stopgap, to treat them like intermission whilst you are waiting for the main show to resume.

Will harden my heart to her. Keep her at a distance, and sit down and explain why.

Hopefully the friendship will remain.

Wishing you all, all the best.

Appreciate you listening to my unstructured bumbling ramblings. Took a while to reach the crux, but then think it could only go one way.

Jonathan x x
 
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