V-triad: One wants Parallel, two want Kitchen Table

Two things strike me:

Second, how much is wanting to spend time with your meta and how much is just not wanting to lose time with your partner?

It possibly sounds like you need more partner time. And you may not get it.
When my meta isn't experiencing a crisis, she's one of the most intelligent, thoughtful, helpful, creative, and put-together people I know. I love spending time doing things with her. However, what I *need* is more partner time, whether it's selfish or shared (both are fulfilling to me). I need to not feel excluded from my partner's daily life (the parts that are his, not the couple's commitments). From this partner, I do want a family connection. If he were someone else, I probably would not (so it's not a need I can just substitute/slot another partner into). I don't want a family connections "with someone". I know what I'm missing and gaining by being single (I've been married before). For a lesser connection, the gains of being on my own vastly outweigh the benefits of a family connection. The type of connection my partner and I share is a rare one for me, and for him.


One way to get at the heart of this is to ask- if parallel poly is a necessity,
What would make it feel okay?
I can't imagine this partner being able to compartmentalize himself into two separate lives. If it is parallel, it will always remain extremely hierarchical.
 
When my meta isn't experiencing a crisis, she's one of the most intelligent, thoughtful, helpful, creative, and put-together people I know. I love spending time doing things with her. However, what I *need* is more partner time, whether it's selfish or shared (both are fulfilling to me). I need to not feel excluded from my partner's daily life (the parts that are his, not the couple's commitments). From this partner, I do want a family connection. If he were someone else, I probably would not (so it's not a need I can just substitute/slot another partner into). I don't want a family connections "with someone". I know what I'm missing and gaining by being single (I've been married before). For a lesser connection, the gains of being on my own vastly outweigh the benefits of a family connection. The type of connection my partner and I share is a rare one for me, and for him.



I can't imagine this partner being able to compartmentalize himself into two separate lives. If it is parallel, it will always remain extremely hierarchical.

I think what you have to bear in mind is that you need all 3 to say yes to this for it to work. At this time, the only person giving a firm yes is you. Your partner is saying "it would be nice but not unless my wife says yes" and his wife is saying "no". Wife isn't budging, partner isn't budging, and you're not budging. Difference is, they're (reluctantly) on the same page and you're on a different one and unfortunately, that makes you the most vulnerable party when it comes to who needs to exit for peace to prevail.

So you are left with having to make a tough decision: if it comes to a choice between no relationship or "kitchen table" relationship, what will you choose? The relationship surviving may be dependent on you adjusting your expectations and quite frankly, your needs from the relationship. I don't think you have to do it (adjust) and there isn't anything wrong with holding out for people who are compatible with that style, but I think you may have to consider/accept that you probably won't get that in this relationship with these people involved.
 
If it is parallel, it will always remain extremely hierarchical.

I disagree wholeheartedly with his statement.

I have been living parallel poly for 6 years. There is nothing hierarchical in my relationships with my husbands.

They are seperate and equal relationships. I own homes I own with both. Investments with both. Travel with both. I have medical power of attorney with both and they have it in regards to me. They are both beneficiaries of my estate. I own pets with both. My life is intertwine d with both. I split my time 50/50 between the two men in my life.

It can be done. Your partner will have to put in the work though. It means a lot of owning your own actions on the part of the hinge, doing what you will say you will do, being a consistent steady partner, time management and some enforced boundries to avoid bleed over between relationships. And the ability and willingness to triage and prioritize life events.

Your meta doesn't want you in her bubble on a regular basis. Guess what that is perfectly fine. Guess what if I had a meta I wouldn't want her in my bubble either. I would not interfere with their relationship with my partner. They can ride the relationship escalator as far as they wish. I just do not want to be involved.
 
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Originally Posted by UnicornHunted View Post
If it is parallel, it will always remain extremely hierarchical.
I disagree wholeheartedly with his statement.

I think there's a misunderstanding here. I don't think ALL parallel poly relationships are or have to be hierarchical. I think *this one* will be, given the inability of the V lead two separate lives.
 
I think there's a misunderstanding here. I don't think ALL parallel poly relationships are or have to be hierarchical. I think *this one* will be, given the inability of the V lead two separate lives.

Then you have a hinge problem not a metamour problem.

If he is unwilling to do what needs to be done to meet both his partners needs then either he needs to let one of the two of you go. Let both of you go. Or you or her need to speak with your feet so to speak.

It is not fair to shove people into situations they do not want in order have your cake and eat it too. Sometimes love isn't enough and if you truly love a person you have to let them go.
 
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Is there a solution possible that falls somewhere on the spectrum between kitchen table and parallel? In reading this thread it feels like the discussion is falling into a binary trap and losing the ability to look at multiple solutions. What are all the possible acceptable outcomes?


I consider myself and my situation somewhere between the two paradigms. In our first year or so real and lady and I had to work out all this for us. PM if you want more info about that, but mostly we all had to work at throwing out underlying preconceived notions and look for creative solutions that weren't necessarily shaped for either end of the kitchen table vs parallel pigeonholes
 
Is there a solution possible that falls somewhere on the spectrum between kitchen table and parallel? In reading this thread it feels like the discussion is falling into a binary trap and losing the ability to look at multiple solutions.
+1 in this!
There might be a sweetspot of distance from you meta that kinda works for all.
 
it feels like the discussion is falling into a binary trap and losing the ability to look at multiple solutions. What are all the possible acceptable outcomes?

we all had to work at throwing out underlying preconceived notions and look for creative solutions that weren't necessarily shaped for either end of the kitchen table vs parallel pigeonholes
An interesting question, but doesn't do much to advance the discussion. Like, it's not "a binary trap" if there's a choice between two paths; people who speak only of the two paths -- rather than some yet undiscovered alternate route -- aren't somehow faulty or unenlightened.

Tell us about those other paths, rather than stop at "what if" as though it's someone else's responsibility to dig deeper.
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Personally, I think the whole concept might be a pile of false dichotomy, possibly imposed by the people involved having no experience with nonmonogamy beyond "marriage + 1."

When our intimate network was flourishing, there were some who simply had no interest in the "one big happy family" stuff. Even those of us more the "kitchen-table type" balked at feeling obligated (to participate or to include others, possibly reluctant) or that it had to be going on all the damn time. :rolleyes: Someone might like to hang out for our planning sessions but not be particularly interested in the parties, or join discussion get-togethers but not tag along for mall shopping. If I didn't feel like attending brunch or whatever, it wasn't as though I'd somehow "changed my mind" about hanging out with a group.

Life is often more à la carte than table d'hôte. ;)
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(I'm still uncertain how two lines radiating from the same point can possibly be parallel... :D)

Since the term "hierarchal" is often so poorly defined, its use should cease, particularly when it's held up as somehow evil. (There is nothing inherently "hierarchal" about "parallel" relating.)

There is nothing "non-hierarchal" about "established couple, plus 1." It's a slip that likely says much about the actual relationship dynamic.

The wife (let's call her Wilma) might be interested in polyamory as an ideal, but is finding it problematic to make real. It seems inconsiderate (at best) that anyone would be trying to weasel her into hurrying her "evolution" for THEIR convenience.

It's quite possible that when Wilma begins to show interest in dating, the husband (call him Harry) will totally lose his shit & try to impose all sorts of restrictions on Wilma, maybe even pushing to go back to "the good ol' days" of the present vee.

If Wilma wants to "save her marriage," she's at least got her terminology wrong. The old marriage is over, period. If Wilma wants everything to stay the same, including time that Harry has to spend with her & do stuff around the house, yet have a secondary relationship, then she's deluded.

Harry certainly wants the "kitchen table" stuff, likely because he's still harboring harem-building notions & taking his role as hinge to be more a "king of the house" thing. He wouldn't like it so much when he starts getting vetoed by the women working together. ;)
 
I'm happy to talk offer my story, I just don't want to derail the thread taking about my stuff.
I find thoughtful questions to be more helpful than random stories
Unicorn Hunted please pm me if you would like to know more from another F2 that experience similar growing pains
 
I'm happy to talk offer my story, I just don't want to derail the thread taking about my stuff.
I find thoughtful questions to be more helpful than random stories
Unicorn Hunted please pm me if you would like to know more from another F2 that experience similar growing pains

This. I finally caught up on this thread. I am the F2.
Me: F married to C (9 years), dating B, all of us kitchen table poly
B: M long-term relationship to S, who is parallel poly

The point B has just hit is that he can't achieve what he wants in his relationship with S and is separating.

I read this thread and wondered if B had come here disguised as you, UnicornHunted! So PM me if you want my experience through it.
 
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