Am I just screwed?

demonicide

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I'm polyamorous in the strictest of definitions. It's not that I want to have sex with more than one person or that I have the capability of falling in love with more than one person simultaneously. I do fall in love with multiple people simultaneously. It's something I've always done and never quite understood. Like many people, I never had a name for it until recently, and I spent the majority of my life feeling "wrong" for doing so, like society was constantly judging me for this "social sin."

To complicate matters, I'm on the psychopathy spectrum, which means I don't make true relationships easily, and when I do, I process them very differently from the neurotypical majority. I love my "inner circle." Everyone else is questionable at best. Getting into my inner circle is difficult, and those who are in it, I love indiscriminately. There are a total of 6 people who, in my lifetime, have ever made it, and I love each and every one of them to this day.

The problem is as follows: I started dating a girl 3 years ago. We'll call her Rose. When she and I started dating, I explained to her the way I form relationships and that I was polyamorous. At first, she thought that I simply meant that I wanted to have sex with multiple partners. She said she wasn't into that. I explained that it had nothing to do with sex, and that I just loved whom I loved. It's not like I can control my ability to fall in love. I explained my inner circle, as well.

She said that she understood all of it, but that she wanted to pursue a strictly monoamorous relationship. I told her that I still loved my inner circle and always would. But I consented, after much conversation, as none of my inner circle were active in my life then. (At that time, there were only 4: T, P, A, and S). I told Rose that if any of them came back into my life, it could present problems. She seemed to understand.

Fast forward 3 years. Now Rose is in my inner circle. She is only the second "girlfriend" to gain that distinction.

Ken is there now too. Ken is a guy, the first guy in my circle. Processing my feelings for him, however, is the subject of a later post (mostly since Rose doesn't see him as competition).

Two weeks ago, Phoebe popped back onto my radar. She randomly invited me to an event she was doing. I hadn't seen her in 7 years at that point, so I figured I'd go and catch up. We spent 8+ hours straight together that night, talking, drinking, and having a good time. It was about 3 hours in that I realized how much she still meant to me. So yeah, I'm still in love with her, but I have been for 10 years. The difference is that now she's an active part of my life again.

I brought up some of my thoughts on this with Rose. She set some ground rules and boundaries: "Nothing more than a peck on the lips, no groping, nothing below the waist. Hugging/cuddling is OK. Nothing sexual." In some ways, that's more than fair. Considering, she could have just gone off on me or some other crap that normal Westerners do in that sort of situation. However, in other ways, it's so unfair. I don't think she fully understands that I love them both, equally but differently. I want to be with both of them all of the time.

I'm also unsure of Phoebe's feelings in this matter. Despite her telling me the first day we reconnected that she was OK with sharing, I'm unsure if she was joking. We didn't spend any serious time discussing it. And I don't want to tell her that I'm still in love with her (especially if she still has feeling for me) unless we can fully express them. I don't mean that I need to have sex with her, just that I want everyone to be on the same page. Telling her I love her in any other situation isn't fair to either of us.

The point is, I feel stuck. I don't know how to proceed. I've become rather heartsick and, unfortunately, I'm becoming resentful of Rose in this situation (though there is also some resentment both ways in other situations).

And what do I do if T, A, or S show up? Not that I'd complain having a big family with the five of them and their significant others, if they have them. (Two do.) It's just that the complication of Rose and Phoebe in my life simultaneously is really stressing me out.

So am I just screwed? Will I be able to come out of this remotely happy? Advice? Any is welcome.
 
The problem is as follows:
I started dating a girl 3 years ago. We'll call her R. When R and I started dating,

as none of my inner circle was active in my life at the time (at that time there were only 4: T, P, A, and S). I told R that if any of them came back into my life, it could present problems. She seemed to understand at the time.

Fast forward 3 years. Now R is in my inner circle. She is only the second "girlfirend" to gain that distinction. K is also there now too. K is a guy, and the first guy in the circle. Processing my feelings for him, however, is the subject of a later post (mostly since R doesn't see him as competition).

Two weeks ago, P popped back onto my radar.

I brought up some of my thoughts on this with R.

I'm also unsure of P's feelings in this matter. I'm becoming resentful of R in this situation (though there is also some resentment both ways in other situations...).

And what do I do if T, A, or S show up? Not that I'd complain having a big family with the five of them and their significant others, if they have them (and 2 do). It's just that the complication of R and P in my life simultaneously is really stressing me out.

So am I just screwed? Will I be able to come out of this remotely happy?
Advice? Any is welcome.
I think you have a choice between Wheel of Fortune and Words with Friends. I must admit, I don't envy your situation at all.
 
I think you have a choice between Wheel of Fortune and Words with Friends. I must admit, I don't envy your situation at all.

Thanks. If I were on the outside looking in, I wouldn't envy me either. As of today, I've had a 1.5 week stress headache.
 
I am sorry you are stressed out. BREATHE. You are not screwed.

And what do I do if T, A, or S show up?

You could hold off on pre-worrying about future maybes. Deal with present day, what is already here. Reduce your stress there.

You could stop being resentful of Rose. She's renegotiated limits. She doesn't sound unwilling to talk. So why the resentment?
  • If you are happy with the new limits, great.
  • If you are happy enough for now, but want the option to revisit later, let her know that's what you'd like and if she's willing to revisit later.
  • If you are unhappy, renegotiate.
  • If the limit is not actually where you want and you accepted terms that do not suit you, you could stop doing that. It is on you to not accept terms that don't serve you. It is not on her to read your mind. Let her know you thought about it and changed your mind about the new limits, and want to talk again.

If you want to be in concurrent relationships with Rose and Phoebe, in whatever shape--
  • Decide what shape you want to propose. (ex: Rose is my lover, Phoebe is my no-sex but all other snuggles GF)
  • Ask them if they want to participate in a relationship that provides X-- list what else it is you want from them, and what you could give to them.
  • Then you will know if they accept your offer or not.

But you have to fill out the outline a bit yourself, so they have a reasonable offer to consider. Or could invite them to fill it in with you, dream with you, "What if?" with you.

But if this is what you want, you could decide, yes, you do want to pursue it now. If you are not ready to decide that yet, or not ready to pursue right now, but want to at a later point, and just want to sit with it a bit more, that's fine, too.

Again, you are not screwed, just stressed while you contemplate change.
 
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If you understand love well enough...

to practice emotionally healthy polyamory, the people you choose to share your life with will probably be able to let you live your life any way that you are comfortable, and not let it affect their relationship with you, maybe not from the get-go, but eventually, and depending on how you treat each other during the transition. Keep talking with Rose, and fully disclose your thoughts, feelings, and actions with her. As long as you continue to treat her like someone you genuinely care about, and care for her well-being, Rose will probably come around.

People who understand love and genuinely care for you, will recognize the right thing to do once they know their behavior is causing you to resent them (although resent may not be the right word to use; everybody is different). But most people are not OK with causing pain or hurt in their loved one's life. But if they feel attacked, their reaction will not reflect their love for you.

She does sound like she is capable of understanding, and most people are responsive to their partner's concerns when they are discussed honestly, without using truth as weapon.

Our society's view on sex has caused many problems. I am sorry that you are suffering from the unhealthy view that most have accepted.
 
If I were on the outside looking in, I wouldn't envy me either. As of today, I've had a 1.5 week stress headache.

Yeah but... you did set this up, knowing full well it might happen. You started a monogamous relationship with a woman who was explicitly against anything but a monogamous relationship with you. You, on the other hand, knew full well that if you had the opportunity to hook up with any of your friends, that you were going to want to do so.

Did you ever stop to consider how you might handle this eventuality as you were setting this situation up for yourself? To me, it sounds like you've designed a no-win situation and are now surprised that you are in a no-win situation.
 
Keep talking with Rose, and fully disclose your thoughts, feelings, and actions with her. As long as you continue to treat her like someone you genuinely care about, and care for her well-being, R will probably come around.

People who understand love and genuinely care for you will recognize the right thing to do once they know their behavior is causing you to resent them... Most people are not OK with causing pain or hurt in their loved one's life. But if they feel attacked, their reaction will not reflect their love for you.

Thank you. That was very reassuring and made me feel a bit better.
 
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