Finding people who are polyAMOROUS and not only polySEXUAL - Advice?

LadyLigeia

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Hi, everyone! I haven't posted here in a while. I've been encountering a problem and it's actually been getting to me lately.

Background: I have just begun my mid-twenties. I am a relationship anarchist. I have what been dating someone whom everyone would consider to be my "primary" relationship (although I don't believe in hierarchal standings in love) for over nine years. We're happily polyamorous and we've both dated other people. We don't have that problem where one of us gets squeamish at the idea of the other spending a lot of time with another person and engaging in emotional or sexual intimacy with them. We usually wound up meeting each other's darlings (if I'm not already friends with them, that is, because I'm totally cool with that as well) and since we love each other, we don't believe in policing each other's bodies or hearts. I know that our connection is everlasting, honest, and high quality.

However, we don't have a lot of things in common from a recreational standpoint. Obviously, I want to stay with him but I also want to date someone with whom I share my interests with beyond them just willing to give them a try and respecting that I like them. I'd like to share my interests (especially in terms of music and other strange things) with someone whom enjoys them as well. I usually feel very alone in enjoying the things that I do. I'm into Gothic culture, the punk scene (especially locally), going to festivals, and feeding my head if you catch my drift. ;)

I love spending time with him but I often get bored because, well, you can imagine how incessantly hanging out with someone whom isn't into what you're into can get... stale and boring. I love hanging out with him and we have other major common interests (such as feminism, literature, and cats), but... I just wish there someone with whom I was romantically and sexually involved whose interests corresponded to mine. I'm not talking about Manic Pixies or anything. He definitely respects my interests and will tolerate me playing music (although he knows that I would have to break up with him if he were to ever tell me that he didn't like Bauhaus) and such, but I want more than that.

The thing is, most of the polyamorous people I encounter only want sex. That, or they are into that whole couple's privilege thing where dating me comes with a set of stipulations that were clearly formed out of jealousy. My boyfriend and I are DEFINITELY NOT into that don't-ask-don't-tell thing.

Or worse, they associate any kind of emotional intimacy with commitment or the desire to "settle down" in some way. Yeah, I like sex, but that's just the one ingredient of the cake's icing! I want someone with whom I can bond on an emotional AND sexual level, allowed to express the whole of my attraction without being plagued by these fears. A lot of the things I encounter are also "poly n00b" things and I want someone whom truly values our relationship while not getting skittish about it.

(This isn't about me behaving in an unflattering way, nor is it about my failure to interpret people's nonverbal cues. I'm very socially adept so when I fail to notice these things, it makes me question my adequacy and social compass despite everyone telling me that I'm not tripping or whatever, that my assessments were correct but their behavior veered from my last impression.)

Any advice? Reflections? I'd also like to know a list of "red flags" (NOT the same as deal-breakers) that will alert me of someone's misunderstanding of polyamory as well as their intentions. I guess even my social aptitude needs refinement in this particular area of love and life. I'll elaborate more but I gotta go. Thanks! :-D
 
I should also note that I'm not the kind of person whom wants something/someone specifically because I can't have it. When I desire someone or something, I desire it because I actually want it. I hate how people play "games" and stuff because I'm always honest and open, but although I pull it off well (or so I'm told), I'm always afraid of coming off as too "available." Like I said, friends and otherwise have told me that I don't but I'm afraid of experiencing disappointment. Meh, I hope this is more than just anguished rambling.
 
Hi LadyLigeia,

I don't think there's a site that specializes in what you're looking for, and the only technique I know for finding out if someone "gets" polyamory and wants what you do is to come right up and ask them.

Red flags are normally what we call signs that getting into a relationship with a person will end badly. The biggest one to look for is dishonesty. There's a lot of con artists out there and you really need to be on your guard.

If you do a search (or tag search) for "red flag," you will probably find plenty of threads that discuss various red flags, but whether anyone's ever tried to compile a list, I don't know. Such a project would probably be difficult. Red flags are so much easier to identify when they're set in a specific situation. Alas we can't always prepare to spot them ahead of time.

I guess the one other thing I can think of off-hand is, just examine how the person treats you in general. Do they seem to objectify you in any way? disrespect you? bail on you? make lots of excuses? or alternatively, impinge on your privacy/boundaries? act creepy or stalkerish? keep lots of guns/knives and have an obsession with death and mayhem? (Guess that last one was pretty obvious. :eek:)

Given more specific situations I'm more likely to spot flags you can add to the list.
Hope that helps for starters ...
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Nate is more polysexual because while he can have giod friendship and share sex hes not someone who falls in love and he's honest about that. He could be someone's boyfriend but it may not be the level of emotional intimacy they need
 
Where have you been trying to meet people to connect with? Is there a poly group in your area, and have you checked it out? Have you tried meeting people online? Just trying to gauge where or what you've tried and what has or hasn't worked for you, to see if there are any suggestions that might help.
 
Just because someone isn't interested in committing to you, it doesn't mean you get to take away their polyamorous identity and replace it with a polysexual one.

For some people, sex is how they get to a stage where they are in a committed, romantic relationship. If you cannot risk having a bit of sex with someone and enjoying their company before having their commitment to a romantic relationship, you need to state that beforehand.

The other thing that I would say is that meeting someone who is single probably means they are looking for that primary style of relationship that you can't offer. It's difficult to have a secondary style relationship and still be sure you're holding back enough resources to fuel a primary style relationship when the opportunity arises.

The last thing I want to say is that your confidence that this isn't about your behaviour leads me to suspect it probably is. People often aren't aware of how their behaviour affects other people.
 
The easiest way I have found.... Maybe simplest is a better word, for weeding out the "polysexual" people is to be pointblank that I am unavailabke for sex. The ones who remain, tend to be more interested in building connections beyond the sexual realm.

But-I have found that most people in the poly groups that I have met in lerson are "open" to polyamory but deadset on polysexuality. And willing to forego the amory as long as they get laid by multiple people.
 
But-I have found that most people in the poly groups that I have met in lerson are "open" to polyamory but deadset on polysexuality. And willing to forego the amory as long as they get laid by multiple people.

Chops feels this way about the poly groups in our area, as well - they have a "meat market" vibe to him, and he's not interested. He likes meeting new people and making connections, but he's pretty much stopped checking out the Poly groups, and has moved on to OKC instead.
 
Just because someone isn't interested in committing to you, it doesn't mean you get to take away their polyamorous identity and replace it with a polysexual one.

For some people, sex is how they get to a stage where they are in a committed, romantic relationship. If you cannot risk having a bit of sex with someone and enjoying their company before having their commitment to a romantic relationship, you need to state that beforehand.


This. this.. and this.. absolutely 100% true. I connect sexually and then romantically. Its just how I roll. If I don't connect after sex, then its friendship.

I am not being a jerk or an asshole about it, thats just how it has been since I was 12.

We just had this discussion in our group of friends last night. One of them was complaining about this exact problem. The challenge is not everyone engages relationships the same way. I don't think everyone who fucks and the stops engaging is a jerk at heart. The spark just didn't get past their key measurement stage.

I have only had one relationship start where sex wasn't the first thing that happened, my current gf. The opposing example, my wife.. I picked up in a bar and had our fun that night.

The other thing that I would say is that meeting someone who is single probably means they are looking for that primary style of relationship that you can't offer. It's difficult to have a secondary style relationship and still be sure you're holding back enough resources to fuel a primary style relationship when the opportunity arises.

Agreed again.. manage yours.. and understand their.. expectations of the potential relationship.

And god, I have to say I hate the phrasing poly sexual.. I am open and a non-monogamist. I have fucked for fun, fucked for sport, fucked for love.. I always assumed open.. or non-monogamist.. covered the spectrum.. and polyamory and swinging clarified further (of which I can be both). More labels = bad.. at least imo.
 
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I connect sexually and then romantically. Its just how I roll. If I don't connect after sex, then its friendship.
Or could've been a fun romp but not enough to pusue as a friend, even. I am similar in that my most successful committed relationships started with sex.

And god, I have to say I hate the phrasing polysexual . . . I always assumed open.. or non-monogamist.. covered the spectrum.. and polyamory and swinging clarified further . . . More labels = bad.. at least imo.
Yeah, I always thought "polysexual" was a sort of ridiculous term - and mostly invented for and used by people who wish to build relationships through friendships first as a way to feel superior and put down people who like to start off relationships with sex. Not that that was your intent, OP, but that's what always bugged me about that term.
 
I don't use the term to be superior. Its just a good descriptor for Nate since he's not looking for casual sex but he also doesn't think he can have a love romance so polyamory doesn't quite describe him.
 
I connect sexually and then romantically. Its just how I roll. If I don't connect after sex, then its friendship.
I don't think everyone who fucks and the stops engaging is a jerk at heart.

I don't think that either way is wrong. Maca is like you.
But-I do think it is frustrating when someone like me encounters someone like you and the attitude is that there is something WRONG with either of us. (whereas you and I don't have that issue :) )
And
that happens a lot.
When poly people in real life find out that I'm not open to having sex any time soon-then I get lectures (yes seriously) on how I'm not "really" poly and how I'm "uptight".
Um-sure, maybe so, welcome to having lived through rape.
Welcome to living through the experience of having difficulty reaching orgasm.
I want more certainty of my safety and I want to know the other person well enough to have a good strong reason to believe that they have the patience necessary for ME to enjoy the sex, not just them.

That doesn't mean I can't enjoy my friendships with people like you. :)
It does mean that people who aren't like you, people who flip me shit because I don't want to fuck them on their timeline-instead of accepting that this is me and happily dropping me in their "friendzone" pocket,
Make participating in poly functions miserable for me.

(I just like saying "like you" and "like me" cause it's you Ari. In reality-we're all different and various shades of whatever freaking random colors and labels exist)
 
How about just hanging out with people who have the same interests as you rather than searching for a partner? Be open about who you are and maybe, over time, something will develop naturally. I think we forget, as poly people, that most relationships just evolve and that we don't need to be constantly out there trying to add extra people to prove our poly-ness.
 
I don't think that either way is wrong. Maca is like you.
But-I do think it is frustrating when someone like me encounters someone like you and the attitude is that there is something WRONG with either of us. (whereas you and I don't have that issue :) )
And
that happens a lot.
When poly people in real life find out that I'm not open to having sex any time soon-then I get lectures (yes seriously) on how I'm not "really" poly and how I'm "uptight".
Um-sure, maybe so, welcome to having lived through rape.
Welcome to living through the experience of having difficulty reaching orgasm.
I want more certainty of my safety and I want to know the other person well enough to have a good strong reason to believe that they have the patience necessary for ME to enjoy the sex, not just them.

That doesn't mean I can't enjoy my friendships with people like you. :)
It does mean that people who aren't like you, people who flip me shit because I don't want to fuck them on their timeline-instead of accepting that this is me and happily dropping me in their "friendzone" pocket,
Make participating in poly functions miserable for me.

(I just like saying "like you" and "like me" cause it's you Ari. In reality-we're all different and various shades of whatever freaking random colors and labels exist)

.... picked the words and feelings right out of my head!
 
How about just hanging out with people who have the same interests as you rather than searching for a partner? Be open about who you are and maybe, over time, something will develop naturally. I think we forget, as poly people, that most relationships just evolve and that we don't need to be constantly out there trying to add extra people to prove our poly-ness.

THIS is why I find the endless pressure I get any time I attend poly gatherings TOO annoying.
I want to JUST meet people who Theoretically accept my having more than one love.
I don't want to be pursued as the next viable piece of ass
 
How about just hanging out with people who have the same interests as you rather than searching for a partner? Be open about who you are and maybe, over time, something will develop naturally. I think we forget, as poly people, that most relationships just evolve and that we don't need to be constantly out there trying to add extra people to prove our poly-ness.

Well said... (although "developing naturally" for me still requires a romp in the sack.. )

It does mean that people who aren't like you, people who flip me shit because I don't want to fuck them on their timeline-instead of accepting that this is me and happily dropping me in their "friendzone" pocket,

Interesting. With me, the friendzone is a never zone. Not a no zone. So if I get "friended" that exactly where I will remain. I totally.. and probably blindly respect the friendzone..

It would take a LOT for me to see if a "friend" was suddenly interested in something more. I have very powerful friend blinders, if a friend wants to break through that they have to be blatantly obvious..

Thinking about it now, it does explain some initial difficulty with my gf. I was completely blind to her actually wanting me.. HA!..
 
THIS is why I find the endless pressure I get any time I attend poly gatherings TOO annoying.
I want to JUST meet people who Theoretically accept my having more than one love.
I don't want to be pursued as the next viable piece of ass

I'm the same way ALTHOUGH, I can't feel romantic until sex lol. So it's a conundrum.
 
I don't usually feel romantic before sex either.
But-I don't desire sex, at all, until there exists an emotional attachment.
If a friendship isn't established, I don't have enough trust or comfort to build a sexual interest at all.

I could totally do casual sex with friends (and have), but in order to get "turned on" I have to have an emotional bond.
 
Another viewpoint

It sounds like to me that you want control over how other people respond to you. I use control cause I can't think of a better word though I'm uncomfortable a bit with using it - so bear with me as I try to explain.

The only person whose thoughts and actions you can control are you own. Everybody else outside of you controls their own thoughts and actions, which are shaped and formed by their own experiences and makeup. While you may want or wish for people to not assume you would jump into the sack on the first date because you wish to be polyamorous, you may or may not get the reaction you want. either way, you will never be able to control this about other people no matter what term you use to describe yourself - or even if you wore a button or sign that said, "hey I'd like to get to know you better before I have sex with you."

I can understand why this would be upsetting, but the only thing you can choose to do is change your view point. Accept the things you cannot change and find a way to emotionally deal with the fact that some people are going to say the things to you that you've heard up to this point - maybe because they are douche bags or maybe because they simply don't know anything different. You have the choice in how you respond, and how you let these things get to you. And only you have that choice.

Unless you are going to stay home and never socialize with other folks, this is the landscape you live in. Most of us live in. I'm a big proponent of putting yourself out there and letting the cards fall where they may. Someone out there, who you haven't met yet, feels as you do and perhaps someday when you met that person, sparks will fly eventually - but you won't know until you try.
 
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