My metamour does not respect me

Do the same thing to her then. Don't acknowledge her as girlfriend. View her as some other women your man is lending his dick to for charity lol.

Well, I do acknowledge her as a very important part of my partner's life. She has been a friend to him for years and they've worked together for years. I appreciate the role she plays in his life, I just struggle a lot that she doesn't appreciate my place. (waiting for shoes to be thrown...) It's going to have to be an "oh well" thing from now on, though, as my boyfriend and I have agreed that we have let their relationship issues come too close to our relationship.
 
How do I articulate this to him?

Do I ask him not to share when she's being dramatic over me?

I guess that's a pretty valid question.. why I care what she thinks of me. I didn't really care (again) until lately. I don't really care until I get this request from my boyfriend, "can you reach out to her?"

I kinda thought it was a problem that he asked in the first place. Other, more diplomatic people, might think I should. Others who highlight what you've said, maybe not.

So if that is the problem, what would you do?

Thank you for your reply.

Exactly. Tell him you no longer want to hear about her and when he starts, cut him off
 
If I remember rightly, she expresses what you label "disrespect" by refusing to compromise on things like when she contacts him. I know others have rightly said that it's up to your partner to control that.

I can't help thinking that your discomfort with polyamory is a big part of this too, though. You make these distinctions between relationships that perhaps they don't subscribe to. It's probably true that he doesn't view her as a primary partner and his feelings for you are more traditional than his feelings for her. I don't necessarily believe that makes you a lot more significant than her in the way that you do. How you describe their relationship is what a lot of my poly friends would label a "secondary relationship". Others who are more mono normative or simply feel that they need that sense of all round partnership in their boy/girlfriends would call it "friend with benefits". I understand that sometimes people rely on these distinctions as a way of coping with polyamory, however, it can cause miscommunication and hurt when it becomes clear through actions that people aren't willing or simply cannot stick to these rigid boxes.

Personally, I wouldn't be with someone who didn't respect my other relationships and said as much. I know other people aren't as concerned about their feelings as long as their actions aren't intrusive or harmful. You know, the reason she may not respect your relationship with him is because she knows you'd prefer to be a monogamous relationship with him and she might feel that is disrespectful to their relationship and not conducive to what he ultimately wants, ie a polyamorous relationship. She might feel that you are ultimately "bad for him" and like many people, she feels the way forward is to be unsupportive of your relationship. That isn't exclusive to romantic or sexual partners; friends and family often do the same thing in their own way when a loved one is in what they feel is a "bad" relationship.

I have to also state that I wouldn't keep a partner who felt like you do about polyamory either. Especially if I was the liberal type of polyamorist like he seems to be.

I don't think there is anything more that you can do other than respect their time together in the way you want her to. I think if these relationships are going to continue, your partner needs to make sure there is no "leakage" from one relationship to the other. If he wants to keep a partner that has no respect for his other relationship(s), he can't share their feelings with you and you can t ask. He has to ensure he isn't spending a lot of time communicating with her during your time and vice versa.

Op didn't even respond to my post as far as I can see.
 
Op didn't even respond to my post as far as I can see.

I did actually... I can look back and find the quotes. I may not have quoted you properly. Sorry, I am sometimes an idiot with this forum editor.
 
There's a wonderful quote that you might find helpful. And I'm probably misquoting, and can't remember who said it originally, but...

"Other people's opinions of me are none of my business."

Read that again.

What Letty thinks of you is HER problem. Not yours. Not even Kit's, though it's a problem for him if she's spewing to him about it.



Also, I do want to thank you for the reminder that what others think about me is none of my business. I do agree with this sentiment. But it's my mistake to think that because I am involved in this situation that it makes it any of my business. Very good points.
 
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She didn't show up at the same one, sorry... she bought tickets to the same movie (not the exact same time) even though she knew he was going with me.

But yes, legit point.





Thank you. Agreed. I like this.



Absolutely. I've asked that. Thank you.






Thank you Galagirl. I've just started the conversation now with him about this (we're in other cities at the moment and otherwise I would've started it in person).

Just because he saw a movie with you doesn't mean he can't see it with h we. I frequently aee movies twice
 
I did want to address this because a few things just about set me off about this comment.
I wrote that post before you provided more information about the situation. However, I did go back and re-read your other threads and posts before I wrote it and still feel mine was a valid opinion after reading the things you were usually complaining about here.

BTW, I never view the word "judgmental" as an insult, nor did I mean it that way. It is just a fact. Human beings judge. I would never, ever deny that I am judgmental. I judge all the time, it's just human nature. If we didn't have that capacity, we couldn't cross the street without getting run over. You clearly had judgments about Letty, about what she demanded/expected from Kit, her relationship with her husband, and how her relationship with Kit was being handled. You judged her. So what? I judged you. When you ask for opinions, answering requires some judgment - otherwise, there would be no opinions. Again, so what?

Same thing with wanting him for yourself - if that is the case. Nothing wrong with that. What I said was not a put-down, just a statement of what I saw. BTW, I do not ID as polyamorous, as I could practice polyamory or monogamy and be happy. It's an approach and a choice to me, not a personality trait. And I have nothing against monogamous relationships, so I see nothing wrong if you wanted to be in a monogamous relationship with Kit, I just don't think it would be a realistic wish.

And telling me I don't like my situation? Yeah, way to put words in my mouth. Very disrespectful of you. I suggest you take a look at your words and think about what you've told me, and consider that you're being a hypocrite.
Well, hmmm... you didn't seem to be liking/enjoying/happy in your situation, from almost every post you've written, so how was I putting words in your mouth? That you didn't like what was going on was obvious. I was not being disrespectful nor hypocritical in my words to you. I was being supportive in offering my perspective so you could see what others see from the outside.

Like I said, the more you revealed about how Kit was handling his responsibilities as a hinge and not being "good and careful" about it, the better all of us were able to help pinpoint particular issues we saw. Until then, you just seemed like a whiner and control freak who was uber-focused on wanting his other gf to acknowledge your position "above" her. Sorry, but that's how you came across. Now we all know that Kit played a large part in driving you nuts about her.

I only hope you set firm personal boundaries for yourself, communicate clearly about them, and follow through on the consequences if those boundaries are crossed, since in one of your posts, you seemed a little doubtful that Kit will be able to continue to maintain respect of them over time, based on his actions in the past.

At this stage of the game, eight months into a relationship (still new, in my view), it seems like there's a lot of bullshit going on that I would never tolerate, so I hope you find your way through it. When the pendulum swings more towards hard work and drama and less toward joy, satisfaction and fun, I'd say it's time to call it quits due to incompatibility.

Good luck!
 
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Just because he saw a movie with you doesn't mean he can't see it with h we. I frequently aee movies twice

Yeah, he didn't take it that way and I don't think she meant it that way.

For some really weird reason, she has this obsession with being the first to do things with him. I have to remind my partner that I don't have the same obsession. I'd prefer he save any plans that we create for us - like for instance I had a special thing planned for a place he hadn't visited, and he ended up going with her first instead - but generally, I don't mind that he goes to something with her before I do.

Often he ends up doing things with me first because I'm more available to do so. Sometimes her husband vetoes activities because he doesn't want Letty and Kit doing something together and he wants to be included or wants to be the one doing it with Letty.
 
Yeah, he didn't take it that way and I don't think she meant it that way.

For some really weird reason, she has this obsession with being the first to do things with him. I have to remind my partner that I don't have the same Does your boyfriend understoession. I'd prefer he save any plans that we create for us - like for instance I had a special thing planned for a place he hadn't visited, and he ended up going with her first instead - but generally, I don't mind that he goes to something with her before I do.

Often he ends up doing things with me first because I'm more available to do so. Sometimes her husband vetoes activities because he doesn't want Letty and Kit doing something together and he wants to be included or wants to be the one doing it with Letty.

He also needs to stop telling her what you guys do. I agree it sounds like he enjoys the drama he causes. I've never once told either of my partners negative things the other might have said about the other one because all that would do Is foster animosity. Does your boyfriend understand what he's done?
 
If I remember rightly, she expresses what you label "disrespect" by refusing to compromise on things like when she contacts him. I know others have rightly said that it's up to your partner to control that.

I really thought I replied to you - I apologize!

Yes, and we agreed on some guidelines for that. Time will tell how well he sticks to it, but so far he's agreed.

I can't help thinking that your discomfort with polyamory is a big part of this too, though. You make these distinctions between relationships that perhaps they don't subscribe to. It's probably true that he doesn't view her as a primary partner and his feelings for you are more traditional than his feelings for her. I don't necessarily believe that makes you a lot more significant than her in the way that you do. How you describe their relationship is what a lot of my poly friends would label a "secondary relationship". Others who are more mono normative or simply feel that they need that sense of all round partnership in their boy/girlfriends would call it "friend with benefits". I understand that sometimes people rely on these distinctions as a way of coping with polyamory, however, it can cause miscommunication and hurt when it becomes clear through actions that people aren't willing or simply cannot stick to these rigid boxes.

I'm not sure I agree w. that sentiment and here's why:

1) we don't use primary/secondary, so I tried to make clear that it might be a distinction that others make about our relationship situation but that we don't.

2) FWB is actually something he for some reason doesn't find to be a harsh designation. I pointed out to him that most people find that a pretty harsh designation. He's since removed it from use; she's more of a close&intimate friend to him.

It is really tough I think for others to understand that I am not comfortable with polyamory for myself but that I am not as phased by it with others. I'm not uncomfortable with my partner having other relationships; I'm uncomfortable with him having a lot of sexual partners concurrently (that talk has been over and done with), I'm uncomfortable with taking on another relationship myself, but he having another partner - I'm not in and of itself uncomfortable with that.

Of note: my metamour's husband is in a far more difficult family situation re: poly than I am. He comes from a religious background and I believe they are completely in the closet with them.

Kit is actually the one who decided that he needed to tell Letty that I am a bigger part of his life than she realizes. And I was relieved, at first, because I felt like he was rebuffing a lot of problems by just not being honest (by means of non-disclosure) with her that we have stepped our relationship up to a higher level.

Personally, I wouldn't be with someone who didn't respect my other relationships and said as much. I know other people aren't as concerned about their feelings as long as their actions aren't intrusive or harmful. You know, the reason she may not respect your relationship with him is because she knows you'd prefer to be a monogamous relationship with him and she might feel that is disrespectful to their relationship and not conducive to what he ultimately wants, ie a polyamorous relationship.

I wouldn't say that I would prefer to be in a monogamous relationship with him. That would be easier in some ways, but also, I know that she has a role in his life that I cannot replicate. I will not try to fill that role. They have a friendship that has developed over years. Ours has a romantic quality that she cannot replicate. We have very different roles with my partner and I am very accepting of hers.

When I first got involved, I wanted to get to know her. We did end up meeting, but it was because my partner had told her that she needed to change something and start accepting me as part of his life, and stop creating problems around me. We had a great time, but that was a few months ago and it's apparently faded. I wasn't aware of her feelings about us until recently. I was going along just fine.

So I do think a lot of folks here are right. He didn't need to make me aware.

I have to also state that I wouldn't keep a partner who felt like you do about polyamory either. Especially if I was the liberal type of polyamorist like he seems to be.

And that's your right... what do you mean, liberal type of polyamorist?

I don't think there is anything more that you can do other than respect their time together in the way you want her to. I think if these relationships are going to continue, your partner needs to make sure there is no "leakage" from one relationship to the other. If he wants to keep a partner that has no respect for his other relationship(s), he can't share their feelings with you and you can t ask. He has to ensure he isn't spending a lot of time communicating with her during your time and vice versa.

But that's the thing, I do respect their time together. My "other" relationship is my work. I date my work! He does too, haha. She's a coworker. No, but really. I keep myself occupied with my rich social life and the additional work I take on to add to my savings and because I enjoy it.

You're right though, he needs clearer boundaries about communication and not letting us bleed over. The more I think about it and look back on my journals, the more I see that we have not kept up on this the way we should have back when I first asked for better non-disclosure.
 
I wrote that post before you provided more information about the situation. However, I did go back and re-read your other threads and posts before I wrote it and still feel mine was a valid opinion after reading the things you were usually complaining about here.

BTW, I never view the word "judgmental" as an insult, nor did I mean it that way. It is just a fact. Human beings judge. I would never, ever deny that I am judgmental. I judge all the time, it's just human nature. If we didn't have that capacity, we couldn't cross the street without getting run over. You clearly had judgments about Letty, about what she demanded/expected from Kit, her relationship with her husband, and how her relationship with Kit was being handled. You judged her. So what? Same thing with wanting him for yourself - nothing wrong with that.

BTW, I do not ID as polyamorous, as I could practice polyamory or monogamy and be happy. It's an approach and a choice to me, not a personality trait. And I have nothing against monogamous relationships, so I see nothing wrong if you wanted to be in a monogamous relationship with Kit, I just don't think it would be a realistic wish.


Well, hmmm... you didn't seem to be liking/enjoying/happy in your situation, from almost every post you've written, so how was I putting words in your mouth? That you didn't like what was going on was obvious. I was not being disrespectful nor hypocritical in my words to you. I was being supportive in offering my perspective so you could see what others see from the outside.

Like I said, the more you revealed about how Kit was handling his responsibilities as a hinge and not being "good and careful" about it, the better all of us were able to help pinpoint particular issues we saw. Until then, you just seemed like a whiner and control freak who was uber-focused on wanting his other gf to acknowledge your position "above" her. Sorry, but that's how you came across. Now we all know that Kit played a large part in driving you nuts about her.

I only hope you set firm personal boundaries for yourself, communicate clearly about them, and follow through on the consequences if those boundaries are crossed, since in one of your posts, you seemed a little doubtful that Kit will be able to continue to maintain respect of them over time, based on his actions in the past.

At this stage of the game, eight months into a relationship (still new, in my view), it seems like there's a lot of bullshit going on that I would never tolerate, so I hope you find your way through it. When the pendulum swings more towards hard work and drama and less toward joy, satisfaction and fun, I'd say it's time to call it quits due to incompatibility.

Good luck!

You know, I don't really trust myself that well. I think maybe I need to work on that. It's hard to navigate this. What do I really know?

I will say though that we do have a lot of joy. Sometimes I feel that the higher the joy, the more significant a problem like this feels.

Thank you for acknowledging that I'm not about trying to be above her. I have a different role in his life. I am more accessible to him and because of that, I have the ability to support him more. I long ago left behind my insecurities that she has fostered a long-term friendship and now an intimate relationship with him. In due time, I became a romantic partner to my boyfriend, and really? Something that can't really be helped, this order of operations: I think I had to overcome that hump before she did, and now it's her turn to come to terms with what his other relationship is about.

I could use creating better clarity about our relationship when asking for advice.

If she would calm down about it and see that his relationship with me is not about her I'd feel a lot better. But now I think for me I just need to push any thoughts about her out of my mind. It's on her to fix it.
 
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Just because he saw a movie with you doesn't mean he can't see it with h we. I frequently aee movies twice

This happens a lot with us. I think real sees about every episode of game of thrones twice.

My general advice re: metamour issues is to take a breath and repeat inside my head that I have a separate and secure relationship with real. Then I look at everything from the outside ( as if I were listening toa friend vent about relationship issues) and decide if I need to work on my boundaries or look at my own insecurities to see why x thing is causing such a big response for me.
If it's an Interpersonal thing I think about the interaction. Was the upsetting thing info/action that occurred between me and real, me and lady, me and fox etc. If I'm not directly involved I try to step back and look back at my boundaries. If I am directly involved I speak directly to the person. But if I'm upset because I heard x about y third hand I try to take a breath and realize that the interaction is outside my realm.
 
Also, I do want to thank you for the reminder that what others think about me is none of my business. I do agree with this sentiment. But it's my mistake to think that because I am involved in this situation that it makes it any of my business. Very good points.

Just to make it clear... the situation you're in *is* your business. The "situation" being that you're caught up in having your partner share all the things his other partner says about you.

The things she says and thinks about you, though, and her behaviors toward Kit, are *not* your business. I think Kit might think he's doing you a favor by telling you that she's talking behind your back or whatever, but it's obviously causing you pain. And I would tend to assume Letty believes she can say things to Kit in confidence; I wouldn't think she'd be particularly happy to know Kit's passing along everything she says. Though I don't know her or her side of the situation, so I might be wrong.

The hypocrisy is calling me judgemental. What nycindie said was maybe one of the most judgemental things I've ever heard.

So I'm learning! I shouldn't have to feel anything towards her. And I believe a lot of others are right. My partner's rapport with me about her is unnecessary. I came into this conversation thinking that my metamour's lack of respect was the real issue. It's not a great issue to have, but the first issue to tackle is that his relationship with her is not my problem. I've been informed now. I've thanked you folks for that.

One can be harsh and constructive. They are not mutually exclusive. A lot of people on these forums like to comment on what's wrong but not give any constructive feedback. There's been plenty of chastizing me for how I apparently want to have my partner all to myself. How would you like someone speaking to you like that?

I really do appreciate the change in perspective, however. Diagnosing where the real problem is. I'm not afraid to admit my partner needs to be told that his behavior is contributing to this. It's a good reality check.

The comments that attack my choice to be monogamous and furthermore accuse me of wanting my partner to myself are insulting, rude, and unnecessary. Plain and simple.

Thank you for clarifying what you meant by "judgmental". And yes, harsh and constructive can coexist. For some people, they need to. Personally, I gain more benefit and insight from someone saying "You're full of shit, have you realized you do this thing when he does that thing, and that's part of the problem", because sometimes I need to hear something bluntly from someone I know cares about me so I can sort through all the swirling thoughts and reach clarity.

That's me, though. And I wouldn't be as likely to accept that kind of statement from people I didn't know as from people who are close to me, though I would still be okay with that type of comment if I knew it came from a place of trying to help and get me to see my share of the issue.

That's the thing that stands out to me the most... You already know that you can't control Kit's or Letty's actions. But you can control yours. I think that some of the posts in this thread were an effort to get you to recognize *your* role in all of this. Not "fault" or "blame", but role, because in any interaction you have with anyone else, you do play a part. You aren't just a doll sitting there while things are said or done to you. You're an active participant in one way or another.

Some people are interpreting your statements, either in this thread or others, as indicative of you wishing you could have a monogamous relationship with Kit. They're responsible for their interpretations, but I'd suggest maybe you look at how you've phrased things and see if you can sort out where they've gotten that impression. If one person misunderstands something you've said, that might be a problem on their side. If most or all people are consistently misunderstanding you, that may mean you're not clearly communicating the situation.
 
2) FWB is actually something he for some reason doesn't find to be a harsh designation. I pointed out to him that most people find that a pretty harsh designation.
A harsh designation for most people? Maybe in your world. I do think the term is often misunderstood and mixed up with FB (Fuck Buddy), but...

A friend is a valuable person to have in one's life, so I don't see anything harsh or wrong about having a friend I can have sex with, and calling that person a Friend with Benefits (although it is a stupid term, there are many benefits to having friends besides sex). In fact, we have a thread here, where we share how much we love and enjoy having FWBs in our lives: not-quite-poly: lovers & friends w/ benefits
 
I don't think either fuck buddy or fwb are negative. Friend with benifit is someone you are friends with but also have a sexual relationship with.

Fuck buddy is just someone you have sex with and no other relationship. i dont know how either could be perceived as negative. Everyone nate is involved with at this point in time with are fuck buddies, it's mutually what they all want and no one is getting hurt.
 
A harsh designation for most people? Maybe in your world. I do think the term is often misunderstood and mixed up with FB (Fuck Buddy), but...

A friend is a valuable person to have in one's life, so I don't see anything harsh or wrong about having a friend I can have sex with, and calling that person a Friend with Benefits (although it is a stupid term, there are many benefits to having friends besides sex). In fact, we have a thread here, where we share how much we love and enjoy having FWBs in our lives: not-quite-poly: lovers & friends w/ benefits

Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.

It is kind of a stupid term, yes. I'm not sure why I find it harsh.
 
Just to make it clear... the situation you're in *is* your business. The "situation" being that you're caught up in having your partner share all the things his other partner says about you.

The things she says and thinks about you, though, and her behaviors toward Kit, are *not* your business. I think Kit might think he's doing you a favor by telling you that she's talking behind your back or whatever, but it's obviously causing you pain. And I would tend to assume Letty believes she can say things to Kit in confidence; I wouldn't think she'd be particularly happy to know Kit's passing along everything she says. Though I don't know her or her side of the situation, so I might be wrong.

I would agree, and I think the reason it bothers me is that I feel like it's the step back from the meddling. One thing I am learning about poly situations is that the roots to situations are usually deeper than a step back. The opinions she has about me are quite likely a result of other actions or her own opinions about herself, therefore causing her to think a certain way, therefore resulting in certain actions. There are more layers to think about than a monogamous relationship.



Personally, I gain more benefit and insight from someone saying "You're full of shit, have you realized you do this thing when he does that thing, and that's part of the problem", because sometimes I need to hear something bluntly from someone I know cares about me so I can sort through all the swirling thoughts and reach clarity.

That's me, though. And I wouldn't be as likely to accept that kind of statement from people I didn't know as from people who are close to me, though I would still be okay with that type of comment if I knew it came from a place of trying to help and get me to see my share of the issue.

Yeah I'm not good at that. I can handle real talk better from people close to me. I don't need them to be gentle.

That's the thing that stands out to me the most... You already know that you can't control Kit's or Letty's actions. But you can control yours. I think that some of the posts in this thread were an effort to get you to recognize *your* role in all of this. Not "fault" or "blame", but role, because in any interaction you have with anyone else, you do play a part. You aren't just a doll sitting there while things are said or done to you. You're an active participant in one way or another.

The more I think about it today with a clear head and re-reading comments, the more I realize that I'm just feeding into her crap. I wonder if she enjoys getting me wound up about her drama. I mean, come on, she has so much drama going on with the other side (her husband and his partner), too. I make for a great scapegoat being mono as well. Of course I'm biased, but I don't think Kit enjoys it; I'm just not so sure he is conscious of how his actions affect us all. I can make our positions better by communicating how this is making me feel.

Some people are interpreting your statements, either in this thread or others, as indicative of you wishing you could have a monogamous relationship with Kit. They're responsible for their interpretations, but I'd suggest maybe you look at how you've phrased things and see if you can sort out where they've gotten that impression. If one person misunderstands something you've said, that might be a problem on their side. If most or all people are consistently misunderstanding you, that may mean you're not clearly communicating the situation.

When I've talked to formerly poly folks or other mono/poly folks, they seem to understand me right away. I have two places in which I seek advice; these forums, and a small group of poly folks I've found in my city. Neither group will change how they are, so it is up to me to communicate differently to the groups.
 
Hi hislittlekitten,

This was my initial reaction just based on your first post:

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It seems to me that you are investing too much emotional umph into what goes on with your metamour. So she's in denial about you. Not your problem.

The only way it's your problem is if you have ethical objections to being involved with a man whose other partner doesn't respect/recognize your position. And if that's the case, then you should break up with him.

I don't think there's anything you can do to improve the situation -- unless you can distract yourself so that you're not thinking about it so much. Your metamour's thoughts and feelings are her own.

I don't think there's anything anyone -- except your metamour -- can do about your metamour. Unless you could talk your partner into breaking up with her. And I have a feeling he's not gonna do that.

My advice is that if you're asking your partner questions about your metamour: stop asking. And if he's venting to you about your metamour, or telling you anything about your metamour: ask him to stop. You've got to quit your thoughts about her, like a bad crack habit. And when he's sleeping with her, either write him a breakup letter or find a way to distract yourself so that you're not thinking about her. Easier said than done, yes, but very important. Erase her from your mind and life -- as much as possible.

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"She leaves notes on things, knowing I'll see them."

Her life is so entangled with yours that she can put notes on things that you'll see? That's not good. Disentangle yourself. Stop looking at stuff she can touch.

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"Have you had an experience where you've had to allow time to let changes set in, and how did you decide on what a reasonable time frame was?"

I just used my intuition. I chose something between six months and a year. But it really depends on the severity of the situation.

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"I don't really care until I get this request from my boyfriend, 'Can you reach out to her?'"

Whoa. If he says that, you say, "Absolutely not. Not my job!"

I apologize if I've been too abrasive here. I'm concerned that your metamour is like a poison in your life. It's literally keeping you up at night. Spit out the poison.

With sympathy,
Kevin T.
 
Hi hislittlekitten,

This was my initial reaction just based on your first post:

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It seems to me that you are investing too much emotional umph into what goes on with your metamour. So she's in denial about you. Not your problem.

The only way it's your problem is if you have ethical objections to being involved with a man whose other partner doesn't respect/recognize your position. And if that's the case, then you should break up with him.

I don't think there's anything you can do to improve the situation -- unless you can distract yourself so that you're not thinking about it so much. Your metamour's thoughts and feelings are her own.

I don't think there's anything anyone -- except your metamour -- can do about your metamour. Unless you could talk your partner into breaking up with her. And I have a feeling he's not gonna do that.

My advice is that if you're asking your partner questions about your metamour: stop asking. And if he's venting to you about your metamour, or telling you anything about your metamour: ask him to stop. You've got to quit your thoughts about her, like a bad crack habit. And when he's sleeping with her, either write him a breakup letter or find a way to distract yourself so that you're not thinking about her. Easier said than done, yes, but very important. Erase her from your mind and life -- as much as possible.

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Her life is so entangled with yours that she can put notes on things that you'll see? That's not good. Disentangle yourself. Stop looking at stuff she can touch.

Re:


I just used my intuition. I chose something between six months and a year. But it really depends on the severity of the situation.

Re (from hislittlekitten):


Whoa. If he says that, you say, "Absolutely not. Not my job!"

I apologize if I've been too abrasive here. I'm concerned that your metamour is like a poison in your life. It's literally keeping you up at night. Spit out the poison.

With sympathy,
Kevin T.

I don't think you're being abrasive. Thank you for your comments.

It has been really helpful, once the more accusatory comments have gone away (that I'm trying to control my partner, etc.). She is indeed like a poison and I need to keep that in mind.

Lately, after reading a lot of these comments and thinking it over, I think I am less offended that she doesn't respect my position - I mean, it's not like we're in a corporation or anything - but more offended that she didn't give me the courtesy I gave her. I am trying to be empathetic not for her sake but for mine; it is quite possible that she doesn't dislike me because of me, but because she views my relationship with our shared partner as a replacement of her. It also tells me that she may not treat my partner quite like the autonomous person he is, but as if he is some sort of possession or as if he is not 'allowed' to decide how he wishes to conduct his relationships.

So the more I disassociate this as being a 'personal' matter and remember that this is mostly about her insecurities and her problems, the better I feel. She is only hurting her relationship with my boyfriend and it isn't my place to do anything more than be supportive of my partner while she burns her own ship. Cruel perhaps, but she would not put the same concern into what I think about her.

Also, I don't really feel like I could ever talk my partner into breaking up with my metamour. That just feels way out of bounds. I don't like her, I don't think he is involved in a very good situation, but I also think that if she is a bad situation for him that it will work itself out. He needs to learn for himself for a lot of reasons and I respect him to make his own decisions. He's a grown man.
 
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