Suicide Watch....

morethan2

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I'm going to try to make an extremely long story as relatively short as possible.

My gf and I have been together since March 2015. Its been crazy since then. I should've taken the advice from a few people here who said I should leave her alone but I thought I was "in love." I wasn't. I completely damaged the relationship I have with my fiance behind her. She started to dictate when and how often I could see MY fiance while she continued to strengthen her marriage with her husband and children. We work together, against my better judgement. So anytime me and my fiance go to lunch, its an argument with my girl. If I'm with him and don't text her enough, she feels "neglected." The list could go on. Needless to say, she has stifled the growth and repair of me and his relationship.

She not only impacts my relationship with him, but also my family. On at least 3 separate occasions, she has threatened suicide when I tell her something has come up and that I have to cut our time short because I need to be with my family. Serious threats. (Keep in mind we spend 8 hours a day 5 days a week together. Not spending one day on the weekend shouldn't be an issue, right?) However, this past week took the cake.

I found out I was unexpectedly pregnant by my fiance. We needed some time to figure things out (if we are ready to bring a child into a poly relationship that is still so new to us, finances, etc). I told my girl in hopes that should we be supportive. She was initially. However, after day 2 she began to rush my decision. Telling me things like..."I need to know if you are keeping it or not so I can mentally prepare myself. Just make a decision and stick with it" She was very upset that she was not the first to know. At first, I thought she was just a little insecure that this had the capability of bringing me and my fiance much closer. But it quickly turned toxic and hateful. She began to criticize me for not being able to make a swift decision, saying that a week was long enough to decide what I want to do and that this situation is just indicative of how immature I am and how I am not capable of making "grown up" decisions. She attacked my relationship with my fiance. The situation only worsened when I told her that instead of her taking me to the abortion clinic, my fiance felt he was responsible for handling this situation. She blew up, threatened to call my family and out me (me being bisexual AND poly), showing all our intimate texts and emails to them. Needless to say I was mortified and hurt. She thinks she has lupus, so in an effort to hurt me, she told me she wished I had it instead because I deserve it. All this because I changed my mind and decided to let my fiance take me to abort OUR child....

The day of the abortion, I backed out. Me and him both needed more time to think. I told my gf that I needed some alone time this past weekend to sort out my feelings without any outside influences or distractions. She took this very personal and fought me on it, incessantly. She then told me that her husband kicked her out of the house and she had no where to go (so of course I told her she could come to my house). The next morning as I told her I needed alone time once again, she starts crying nonstop and texting her "therapist." Little did I know that it was a suicide hotline. In an effort to reach her husband or family, I took her phone and saw the texts that she had sent claiming that she was in her car about to drive off a bridge. Within 20 minutes, a police officer called asking for my address...within 2 mins, 3 cop cars surrounded my house. My entire family was home and witnessed this. The cops gave her the choice to ride with them to the hospital or I could drive her while they trailed me. She was becoming resistant and even tried to convince me to EVADE THE COPS so she wouldn't have to go. Of course, I didn't do that and took her to the hospital.

She is now there for AT LEAST a 72 hour hold. I had to drive an hour away to pick up her husband and kids because she had the only car seats in her car. On the way back to the hospital, her husband told me that he did not kick her out the night prior to this. He also told me what transpired. She told him I was stranded in a park at 11:30 pm and needed her right away. This was not true. I was home in my bed asking her if we could see each other another time since I'm going through a rough situation. He went on to say that she has threatened suicide with him before when she doesn't get her way. He complained about how she makes me a priority above him and her kids WHICH I AM NOT OKAY WITH. She lies to him to see me and she lies to me so I can give her sympathy and agree to spend more time with her. That's my fault for allowing this cycle to continue. She's manipulative and vindictive. Even in the ER when doctors and therapists were talking to her, she repeatedly told them that I do not care about her and that I hated her.

Her family does not know where she is or what has happened. Only her husband and I. I spent hours with her yesterday, hours driving to get her husband to her, all with little to eat and no sleep (and for those who have been pregnant understand how hard that is). When I'm about to leave the hospital she tells me "This is your fault. If you would have just gotten the abortion, I wouldn't be here. I'm not ready for you to be pregnant"

I'm DONE. I have no words left to say to her. At this point, I'm only trying to be a friend and support her through a very difficult time. She has a lot of childhood trauma, so I know she genuinely needs the help, but all I can do is support her as a friend. I know part of this is my problem for enabling this behavior. I value the people closest to me and its very hard to see them contemplate or talk of suicide. One part would always tell me "she's acting out" but the other part would say "but what if she goes through with it? It's especially hard when she tells me things like "I wrote letters to my kids and my family telling them it was YOU. They lost me because of YOU." And then I cave and give her what she wants. I've tried breaking up with her before but of course, you can see how it didn't happen. My question to you all now is if I should wait to break up with her when she gets out or should I go ahead and do it while I know she is under supervision and can't hurt herself. I know that it seems completely ruthless and heartless, but I can't go on like this. I'm pregnant and am forced to deal with not only that, but a gf who wants me to abort it because of her own selfish reasons. I can forgive a lot, but that...I can't. On top of that, I am not comfortable with how she places me above her children and husband nor do I appreciate her trying to control my primary relationship...enough is enough.

I'm sorry for the long and complicated story. I just wanted to paint an accurate picture so I can get the best advice. I am also meeting with a poly therapist tomorrow to get a professional opinion as well.

And after all of this, I still have to deal with my pregnancy smh... Thank you for the advice ahead of time.
 
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I was engaged to someone who committed suicide so I say this from the bottom of my heart: Everyone is responsible for the choices she makes in this life, even the choice to no longer live. You are never, ever responsible for the suicide of a loved one. EVER. You also cannot stop someone from ending her life.

Separate, separate, separate. ASAP.
 
I agree with Karen, and I would further say that because of the toxicity of the situation, you should NOT continue to support her "as a friend." For your own sake and that of your child (assuming you continue the pregnancy), you need to stay away from this woman and the stress she brings into your life. Getting help under an involuntary hold will not change her behavior. It will only keep her from killing herself during those 72 hours. I would guarantee that when she gets out, she will go right back to the same behaviors, or possibly even escalate and threaten--or even endanger--you.

I don't know if I would even speak to her long enough to officially end the relationship. I think you would be much safer to completely sever all contact at this point. And yeah, I realize you and she work together... I want to say that you need to let your supervisor know that this woman has exhibited threatening behavior toward you (which she has; she's threatened suicide) and you're concerned about how she'll act at work. You don't have to say it was a relationship if you aren't out at work, you can just say you're friends, but if you're going to be around this woman 40 hours a week, I think someone there has to be aware of what's going on for your safety.
 
I was engaged to someone who committed suicide so I say this from the bottom of my heart: Everyone is responsible for the choices she makes in this life, even the choice to no longer live. You are never, ever responsible for the suicide of a loved one. EVER. You also cannot stop someone from ending her life.

Separate, separate, separate. ASAP.

Thank you for this. The amount of guilt I feel overwhelms me sometimes. And if she blames me in her letters to her loved ones, I don't know if I could ever live that down. However, I am still breaking up with her.

So sorry for your loss. I know that had to be difficult. Thank you for sharing that..
 
I want to say that you need to let your supervisor know that this woman has exhibited threatening behavior toward you (which she has; she's threatened suicide) and you're concerned about how she'll act at work.

The office manager is a family member and was present at the house when the cops arrived. I told her a very edited version of what happened. "She's going through some things, threatened suicide when I told her I couldn't help" etc etc....

She is going to let her go and let her get unemployment until she gets another job since she does have children to take care.
 
Wow, I am so, so sorry you are going through all that. It is not heartless for you to break up with her while she is under supervision and you know she will be watched and safe. Regardless of that, how she reacts to the break up is NOT your responsibility, no matter what she will try to tell you. She is obviously emotionally manipulative in a huge way and unfortunately trying to be a kind, good person often just enables their bad behaviour and allows them to keep treating you unfairly. Separate completely, cut off contact, and stick to it (glad to hear that someone from work has your back on this and you won't have to work with her now).

I 100% support your decision to do this; it is not heartless to need to take care of yourself first, especially with the pregnancy and needing to make a decision with your fiance and no outside influences guilting you. Reconnect with people who can be there for you and support you and be gentle with yourself for the next little while.

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If I can make a guess..I'd say you have a very nurturing personality. That you may give more of yourself than is even good for you if you think it will help someone else. This is a great character to have, until you get preyed upon by someone who knows how to manipulate it. That's what it sounds like with the way she uses the word "YOU" as a dagger. She's saying "You caused it, only You can fix me". She knows this will needle the guilt of someone who really does wish it was something they could fix. I could could be wrong, just my 2 cents, but it sounds like it time to look after yourself and let the professionals handle her.
 
Fair warning: this is going to sound a little calloused.

I would just sever ties completely at this point. From what you said I think she is just threatening suicide as a manipulation tactic. Come on, she was lying to a suicide hotline. I think it's fair to assume she was lying about the letters.

OK, I'm sure you care about her. Plus, there is a potential for disaster at work. Maybe tell her that you can't deal with her behavior and she needs to seek help with that before you will talk to her again? The work thing really complicates this.
 
I am so sorry for what you are going through. That level of manipulation and blame is abuse. I can't imagine having someone tell me how to handle an unplanned pregnancy, blaming and threatening you over a really hard and personal choice is abusive. You are making the right choice to break up with her. Brace yourself, she knows where you live, she knows your partner, she knows where you work... I hate to say this but you might have to get a restraining order to protect yourself. She is unstable and wanting to blame anyone other than herself.

I would break up with her NOW while she is supervised, but I don't think that will save you from the fall out.

And when you get a breath, before you start dating anyone else, I would take a long hard look at yourself and what got you into a relationship and staying with someone who is abusive.
 
A lot of responses came in while I was typing mine. Since the work thing is no longer a factor, just sever all ties right now. She will only manipulate you if you drag it out.
 
I 100% support your decision to do this; it is not heartless to need to take care of yourself first, especially with the pregnancy and needing to make a decision with your fiance and no outside influences guilting you. Reconnect with people who can be there for you and support you and be gentle with yourself for the next little while.

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Thank you for the advice. I'm a little scared of the fall out but I dont know what else to do.

I could could be wrong, just my 2 cents, but it sounds like it time to look after yourself and let the professionals handle her.
I appreciate your words. And yes, you are right...its time for them to handle her.

Fair warning: this is going to sound a little calloused.

I would just sever ties completely at this point. From what you said I think she is just threatening suicide as a manipulation tactic. Come on, she was lying to a suicide hotline. I think it's fair to assume she was lying about the letters.
It didn't sound calloused at all. Very honest and what I need to hear. She has been calling from the hospital, how? I'm not sure because I thought she wasnt allowed to use the phone. She's asking me to come see her again. I shouldn't go correct? This question goes for anyone willing to answer

Brace yourself, she knows where you live, she knows your partner, she knows where you work... I hate to say this but you might have to get a restraining order to protect yourself. She is unstable and wanting to blame anyone other than herself.

And when you get a breath, before you start dating anyone else, I would take a long hard look at yourself and what got you into a relationship and staying with someone who is abusive.

I'm scared. I know she is capable of being vindictive. I have discussed a restraining order with my fiance. He agrees that if she does not take the break up well, to get one.

I've never been in an abusive relationship with anyone. It did not start like this. Of course, what relationship does? The suicide threats didn't start until about 2 months ago. She blamed it on her decision to reach out to her previous abuser so I thought that it wouldn't happen again. I also knew I had to work with her and there was no reason to fire her at the time. Now that a family member has witnessed her behavior, it is much easier for her to be fired now. (As horrible as that sounds)
 
Personally, I would be so pissed I wouldn't even answer the phone. No, I would not go see her. But what do you need? If you need closure this would be the time to do it.
 
About her calls from the hospital:

First, NO. Do NOT go to see her.

Second, if you've been answering her calls, stop it. Don't answer. If she leaves voice mails, listen to them; if they contain any kind of threat, save them. Otherwise, delete them. Do NOT return her calls.

Third, let her husband know she's calling you from the hospital.

Fourth, let the hospital staff know she's calling you. Let them handle it.

Fifth, screw waiting to see how she responds to the breakup. Get the restraining order NOW, and if she continues contacting you once you know the order has been served... call the police. Let them handle it. A restraining order alone might not stop her behavior, so you might have to be prepared to report her violations of it, but that's still better than just letting her continue to escalate.
 
Cut off all contact IMMEDIATELY.

Do not accept phone calls. Your last conversation should be do not contact me, come to my home, or there will be legal action taken.

She is bat shit crazy.
 
Would you be wondering about the right thing to do and blaming yourself if she was threatening to kill a neighbour to get what she wants? Of course not.

The target of her threats is irrelevant; you are not responsible for her behaviour and you are not responsible for sticking around to ensure she doesn't do anything stupid. That's what the professionals are for.
 
Morethan2, I'm so sorry to hear how things have taken a major turn for the worse. I agree with what other posters have said, and definitely talk with your poly friendly therapist for professional advice. I'm glad that she's in a safe place for the time being - it sounds like she really needs some help. :(

Google the cycle of abuse, when you get a chance. I think you'll be surprised at the number of similarities between it and your relationship with her. My guess is that if you do talk with her (not recommended), she'll be very remorseful and apologetic. But that will only last so long before things go back to the way they were. That's one of the reasons it's so hard for people to leave abusive relationships, since the abusive partner keeps promising that things will be better.

Definitely relay her contacting you to the hospital staff. Any other information they may not know (e.g., if she makes additional threats) could be helpful if they are trying to commit her for longer than 72 hours. It depends on if she is still a risk to herself or others.

Please take good care of yourself right now - sleep, eat, spend time relaxing, therapy. One day at a time, and sometimes even one hour at a time.
 
I agree with what has been said here. This is emotional abuse. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Leave, now. Sever all ties. Since you speak to her husband, I would let him know that you are through to to please cease contact. This person is toxic. You don't need this sort of drama in your life.
 
DO NOT go to see her in the hospital.

DO NOT take her calls or communicate with her any further.

DO let her husband know she has contacted you, and that you want no further contact with her at all.

DO get a restraining order, without waiting to see how bad it might get. At the very least, file a complaint with the police so they have something on record.

DO consider changing your phone numbers or blocking hers, and possibly adding more security to your home (ie., change the locks if she has a key, add locks or gates to windows, etc.).

DO let your neighbors know she is not welcome at your home, in case she tries to manipulate someone into letting her on your property.
 
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