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The line between friends and partners is blurry to me. And I don't see one as better or more important than the other.
Well, that's not completely true, is it? You've said you see your relationship with Andy as the most important. It takes precedence over your other relationships, doesn't it? And if it weren't for the fact that you are married and view your marriage as most important, since the line between friends and romantic partners is blurry for you I think you could considered yourself a true Relationship Anarchist, according to some of what I've read here and there (and in this thread: http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64789&highlight=anarchy).
 
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Well, that's not completely true, is it? You've said you see your relationship with Andy as the most important. It takes precedence over your other relationships, doesn't it?

But is he the most important because he's a romantic partner, or because he's my closest friend ;)

I'm half joking, half not. I do know that Andy is my best friend first, lover second. He was the most important person in my life even when we barely had sex twice a year. I'd absolutely stay married to him, even if we never had sex again. (I <3 my open relationship, because I can say that and mean it, knowing it doesn't mean a lifetime of sexual frustration!) I completely get Dag staying married despite the romantic aspect of their marriage being pretty much gone. They're still life partners, friends. I'd take that.

And if it weren't for the fact that you are married and view your marriage as most important, since the line between friends and romantic partners is blurry for you I think you could considered yourself a true Relationship Anarchist, according to some of what I've read here and there (and in this thread: http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64789&highlight=anarchy).

Yeah, I'm too escalator for RA, I think. I do pretty much see my friendships and non escalator partners that way - we make our own rules, make our own priorities. But I'm always (well, I think) going to want the full-blown life-long partner in everything.

Could that person be a platonic partner? Sure. If I hadn't met Andy, I probably would have married my best friend since high school. We lived together for 4 years, we were a great team. No sex, but we could have gotten that elsewhere. We were the strongest connection either of us had, despite both of us being officially "coupled" with guys. (We would have had it out over wedding colors tho :p)

Some of my life sounds pretty RA, but... Nah. I'm still gonna crave that escalator, with the two names on the mortgage and the legal benefits of marriage. Doesn't matter if it's a husband who's also a romantic partner or a friend who's a platonic one. The person I come home to is always going to be my priority, my center.

(My husband is similarly disinclined to live alone. He once told Steph that if I die, he's moving in with her. She was like, fuuuuuck no, I need my space. They compromised on living next door to each other if I get hit by a truck :rolleyes:)
 
I am so tired of adulting right now :cool:

This is my third day in a row sitting home and waiting on people to come and screw with the hvac system. The first was check up, the second was a warranty repair for the downstairs system we replaced last year. Today will be replacing upstairs system. I know we got 12 years out of it, and it's so old they no longer sell the coolant it needs, but... Fuuuuck spending money hurts.

We spent almost all of Andy's bonus this year on grown up stuff. Paid off truck and tractor that we use at lake place. Paid the ridiculous, inflated property taxes on said lake place. Stashed some in retirement accounts. Paid for the entire year of boat slip and storage unit at the marina. I thought we'd have some fun money left for travel and such, but along comes five figure hvac bill :(

I really, really just want to go out and get shitfaced drunk and stay up all night acting crazy. Trying to be this responsible is killing me.
 
Hello, and welcome to your regularly scheduled episode of Claire Sucks at Non Escalator Relationships :rolleyes:

Friday nights are always tricky in my world. It's Dag's favorite night to go out. But sometimes Andy and I want to head up to the lake right after work on Friday, or do stuff with our friends. Some weeks Dag and I have official Friday plans that take priority over the other stuff, but the other weeks I check in with Andy, and friends, and sometime mid week I'm able to let Dag know if I'm free.

This would be one of those still-up-in-the-air weeks. I don't have any official friend plans. Andy doesn't care if we wait until Saturday to head to the lake. But - I just don't feel like going out with Dag. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see him. But I'm exhausted. The idea of going straight out from work Friday is just painful. The only thing worse would be driving home and then heading back out in rush hour. Having to book a hotel, and check in, and then drive half an hour home in the middle of the night ... Usually no big deal, but like I said, exhausted.

You know what I want to do Friday? Come home from work, workout, then head five minutes down the road to my favorite pub. Sit on the patio, and drink beer, with whoever of my friends can come out. Go home, have sex, and fall asleep. You know who I can do that with? My husband. Easy. Simple. No worries about if he'll want to hang out with any/all of my friends. No hotel needed. No driving 30 minutes to meet halfway. No having to wake up after sex and drive back home. I miss Dag like crazy. I love him. But damn, sometimes I'm just not up for the date night thing.

I would love it if Dag would come join me and Andy and whoever else for dinner and booze. I'm chicken about asking, though. I worry that Dag will feel ... slighted? unimportant? if I want a group thing instead of one on one. And, I feel like I'm supposed to want to see him badly enough to do anything and everything just for those few hours together. If I'm too tired, or sick of driving, or burnt out on hotel room sex, that must mean I don't care enough.

Social norms and conditioning are huge influences, I won't argue about that... But days like this, I realize there are other important reasons people do the escalator thing! It's a hell of a lot easier to spend quality time with someone when they live with you ;)
 
It's a hell of a lot easier to spend quality time with someone when they live with you ;)

Just pointing out that it's not inherently an NE relationship issue, but it's this relationship in particular. Conceivably, you could have an NE relationship with a single guy (poly or mono) who lives ten minutes from you, is happy to come hang at the pub with a few of your friends, go to your house and get intimate, then sleep over. I'm pointing out (hopefully in a helpful way) that you choose (from what you've said earlier about your other boyfriends) men who will only go so far with the entwinement. You long for a kitchen table poly life, yet have chosen an NE relationship with a man (men?) who is very resistant to that when there are men who would be quite happy with it. I'm encouraging you to think on what that push-pull is, for it's inside of you. The Dag situation can't be doing anything to frustrate you unless you're feeling the tug of war within yourself.

We all focus an awful lot on the issues we see coming from other people, but really, if something is coming up over and over again, it's always because the issue is alive within us. The way to loosen the grip of the issue isn't to focus so much on what the other person is or isn't doing, but to turn inward and focus on why this might be so compelling. I think that there is a lot of good fertile ground here for you to dig around in. You'll come to a better place with Dag and with your perception of NE relationships if you dig around more in you.




I would love it if Dag would come join me and Andy and whoever else for dinner and booze. I'm chicken about asking, though. I worry that Dag will feel ... slighted? unimportant?
Whether he truly would feel slighted or not, this is so interesting that you zero in on this out of all the reasons that a person could feel chicken. Dag's possible feelings aside, why does this hit you the way it does? That might be a good place to dig in
 
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You said you're too chicken to ask him in case he feels slighted.... but I'd think that he would prefer seeing you in a social setting (at least now that he's gotten past that initial meeting with Andy) than to not see you at all. Plus, you DID somewhat recently have a conversation with him where you said you wanted to do more stuff together and not just have it be meeting to have sex. So this could be part of that.

I think it sounds very reasonable to say that you're exhausted and burned out on driving all over the place and you want to stay local, but if he's willing to come to you and join in on some drinks with friends, you'd still love to see him! At least then he can make his own decision of what he's willing to do instead of having that decision made for him. Maybe he'll surprise you!
 
Well, I did ask him :) Texted him this morning and offered up group dinner or just meeting for one-on-one for lunch. So we shall see.

I think I get chicken about stuff like this because deep down, I'm afraid of losing Dag if I'm not "girlfriend-y" enough. I know, I know, if we don't want the same things, then we aren't a good fit long term. But I love having him in my life, and I guess... Maybe I'd rather compromise on the situation than the person, if that makes any sense. I'd rather be with someone who I adore, and not get everything I want, than be with someone who I'm meh about.

@FallenAngelina - you are so right, I did choose unavailable (or less available) men. Mostly because I am soooo nervous about new people coming into my world. When I'm first dating someone, the idea of them wanting to spend a ton of time together or be included in all areas of my life is terrifying. I really like my life, and I'm weirdly protective of it, like I'm scared someone will come in and change it too much.

But give it a year or two, and then I do want that person around more and more. Once I get a feel for how they will fit in with everything else - that's when I start wanting to include them. That's definitely how it has happened with Dag, anyway, and with most friends I've made as an adult.

My last ex, I completely kept at arms length from the rest of my life, and thank god. He was super conservative politically, and just would have annoyed the hell out of everyone else in my life. And, you know, when he turned out to be a huge asshole who threatened to divorce his wife for daring to question his stupid one-penis-policy... It was easy to sever ties and be done.

I'm just really, really slow to let people all the way in - I fear getting entangled with crazy. But once I really know someone, and I trust and love them, that's it, they're family. Kind of backfires on me sometimes, though, when I start wanting more and they are satisfied with the status quo :cool:
 
....I am soooo nervous about new people coming into my world. When I'm first dating someone, the idea of them wanting to spend a ton of time together or be included in all areas of my life is terrifying. I really like my life, and I'm weirdly protective of it, like I'm scared someone will come in and change it too much. ....I'm just really, really slow to let people all the way in - I fear getting entangled with crazy. But once I really know someone, and I trust and love them, that's it, they're family.

This is Super A+ Great information to be very clear on and know about yourself. :)
 
Friday night was perfect - ended up going out with just Andy and Dag. We saw Eye in the Sky, which I thought was AMAZING, but both guys described as "depressing as fuck" :rolleyes: And then we walked over to an Italian restaurant and had bellinis and yummy dinner on the patio.

I have such a hard time usually seeing movies with both my boys, because I am a movie snuggler and I don't know which direction to snuggle in :eek: Andy has joked that we need some kind of signal, because otherwise he will reach over to hold my hand and end up grabbing Dag's hand off my lap by mistake. I usually kind of alternate whose hand I hold or which shoulder I rest my head on. I'm small enough that this involves scooting back and forth across my seat, which is probably entertaining for the people behind me, lol.

Eye in the Sky, though, both guys were biting their nails and sitting up in their seats, and completely ignored all cuddle attempts :cool:

Dinner was great, too, I just love love love watching Dag and Andy talk and joke around. They are both very into their drones right now (the recreational kind, not the kind from the movie ;)) and they got into a long discourse about the technical blah blah of that... And both recently got promotions at work and are excited yet drowning in stuff to do.

It's funny, they are so different in so many ways. And then they have the EXACT same sense of humor, and can crack each other up all night.

(Aaaand the dogs are whining for their walk, so I will finish this later... )
 
So, dinner was a blast, and the only downside was that I didn't get to fuck Dag's brains out afterward :p. I'm weird, I'll think I'm not in the mood for sex, but then once I spend an hour or two with someone... Boom. Dag is big on sexting and naked pics, which is fun, but does very little to inspire sexy feelings in me. But sitting next to him at dinner... Smelling him... Hearing his voice... Watching his eyes crinkle when he smiles... Damn. I wish he believed me when I tell him that hearing him talk about his week is sooooo much hotter than any dick pic.

I do wish Dag had been up for meeting my whole crew, but hey, baby steps ;) I can't get too upset, because to him they are New People, and I have the same aversion to forced hangouts with New People that he does. Sometimes it's just hard to gamble a precious Friday night on an unknown quantity. Eventually, he will meet K and R, and maybe some others, and then they won't be scary New People anymore. I mean, he dragged his feet for over a year about meeting Andy, and now they're really getting to be friends.

In other news...

Andy is going with Steph to her daughter's graduation... And now Steph wants them to drive (3+ hours) with her ex, and his wife and kids. Andy gets along fine with the ex and the wife, but... Three hours in a car with someone else's kids? Ugh. So he's doing the back and forth thing, trying to decide if it's "selfish" to insist on taking his own car. My vote? No, especially because if Steph does try to ride with the kiddos, she'll bail and jump in with Andy at the first rest stop. Seriously, them trying to go three days without a non-toddler vehicle is just bonkers. They'll end up taking an Uber home or something :rolleyes:
 
Things are poly-as-usual here ... Andy is out with Stephanie and her new part time roommate tonight. Jen is a long time friend of both Andy and Steph, she's worked with both of them, and she lived near us until she got married a couple years ago. Jen is going to need to be in Dallas one week a month for work, and will be staying with Stephanie. I'm kinda surprised Stephanie offered, she is very big on having her own space... But Jen is kind of a special case. I guess "it's complicated" is the best way to describe Steph and Jen's relationship. Strictly friends now, as far as I know. Anyway, I know Andy is psyched she will be around more, he has missed her.

There was a thread here recently that really made me think - mostly because I had a COMPLETELY different reaction to it than most other members. (http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78562 - I'm posting my thoughts on it here, because the OP seems to have resolved things, and also this is more self examination than anything :) )

One thing I realized was that I do not have the same horrified reaction to dishonesty that so many poly people do. It's not that I'm a big fan of lying or cheating - but I don't make moral judgements about it. It seems like a poor choice, to cheat, because it weakens your bond with your partner(s) and can wreak havoc on your life if you get caught. But it's kind of like heavy drinking - bad decision, but doesn't make someone a bad person. I also don't generalize that behavior - I don't think "once a cheater, always a cheater", or "if he lied to her, he'd lie to me".

I also draw a very sharp distinction between *my relationships* and *not my relationships*. And I pretty much consider everything that is *not my relationships* to be none of my business. Even Andy or Dag's other relationships. Other than sex health stuff or scheduling stuff, I really try not to get involved. I may have my own independent relationship with a metamour - Steph and I are friends - but the relationship between my partner and my metamour? Not my deal.

Both those things put together mean I don't really worry about dishonesty that one or more degrees removed from me, unless it has some direct impact on my life. Andy dating someone who was cheating? Not my business, unless some irate husband shows up at our house. Dag dating a cheater? Eh. Whatever.

I don't know why I have such a different take on this than other poly people :confused: I know a lot of poly folks would run from Dag's DADT marriage situation, but it doesn't keep me up at night. That's his and his wife's relationship to manage. As long as he knows I prefer to be informed about other partners, and can do that, I'm ok with it. Both Stephanie and Anna-Louise cheated on their ex husbands, and... I really don't care, at all. I don't think it makes them bad partner choices for Andy. Bad candidates for monogamous marriage, maybe.

So that's my random thoughts for tonight. I have no morals, I guess :rolleyes: Well, more that I have standards for my relationships, but I don't think those need to apply to everyone. And I really cannot fathom caring if someone told white lies to women on Tinder.
 
One thing I realized was that I do not have the same horrified reaction to dishonesty that so many poly people do. It's not that I'm a big fan of lying or cheating - but I don't make moral judgements about it. It seems like a poor choice, to cheat, because it weakens your bond with your partner(s) and can wreak havoc on your life if you get caught. But it's kind of like heavy drinking - bad decision, but doesn't make someone a bad person. I also don't generalize that behavior - I don't think "once a cheater, always a cheater", or "if he lied to her, he'd lie to me".

I agree with you on this. Unlike many (most?) poly people, I don't agree that cheating is indicative of "bad character." To even conceive of open communication about shared affections is radical for most people and the ability to do it is even more unheard of. I think it's wonderful that we live in a time when poly is possible, but the poly model is a mind stretch that is out of the social and personal reach of most. I don't judge anyone outright for taking the cheating option and I am fine with DADT. In my view, DADT is certainly within the bounds of poly.
 
I try to only judge people as directly related to me. So if someone says "I'm cheating on my spouse," I would be likely to say, "If that's what you feel you need to do, it's your life"; whereas if, as seems to happen fairly frequently, a man said, "I'm cheating on my wife, so I'm just like you, let's meet up," I would probably get pretty harsh about how I am NOT cheating on my spouse and have no desire to date anyone who is. (If he just said, "I'm cheating but I'd like to meet you," I wouldn't be harsh, I would just say no thanks; I only get harsh when someone insists that cheating is the same as poly.)

Personally, I would not be comfortable in a DADT situation either, because to me, if I am not able to be wholly myself in all areas of my life, I feel like I'm being dishonest. That's been a source of conflict more than once between Hubby and me, because he has insisted that his family never find out directly from me, or through carelessness on my part, that I'm poly, which meant I couldn't say anything about any other partner on Facebook, or talk to his parents or sister about another partner, or whatever.

I've worked around that somewhat by setting up a private list on Facebook, with about two dozen people I know personally who are cool about the poly thing; if I want to post about my boyfriend as my boyfriend, I set it to post only to that list. And I do talk to his parents and sister about my partners, but I phrase it as "a close friend of mine" or whatever. I'm reasonably certain that his mother, and maybe his sister, suspect that my "close friends" have been more than friends, but they haven't asked any questions. I have told Hubby that if anyone in his family were to directly *ask* whether I'm seeing someone else or whatever, I will not lie.

But just because I personally wouldn't be willing to get involved with someone who's cheating or someone who has a DADT policy, doesn't mean I have an issue with their relationships in general. It just means I am unwilling to be part of their relationships.
 
I think it's wonderful that we live in a time when poly is possible, but the poly model is a mind stretch that is out of the social and personal reach of most.

It's also HARD sometimes. Poly, I mean. I honestly think DADT would be a lot easier for most people. Sometimes I even think it would be easier for me. Figuring out how much to share with my partners was (maybe still is) the toughest part of poly for me. Pretty much every incidence of hurt feelings that Andy and I have had came from over-sharing or under-sharing :rolleyes: There are days when a blanket no-sharing policy sounds damn appealing.

Personally, I would not be comfortable in a DADT situation either, because to me, if I am not able to be wholly myself in all areas of my life, I feel like I'm being dishonest. That's been a source of conflict more than once between Hubby and me, because he has insisted that his family never find out directly from me, or through carelessness on my part, that I'm poly, which meant I couldn't say anything about any other partner on Facebook, or talk to his parents or sister about another partner, or whatever.

I've worked around that somewhat by setting up a private list on Facebook, with about two dozen people I know personally who are cool about the poly thing; if I want to post about my boyfriend as my boyfriend, I set it to post only to that list.

I think the DADT would bother me more if I had a desire to be "out", but I'm quite happy to stay mostly in the closet. I know I benefit a lot from the cis/het/mono privileges in our society, and to be honest, I'm not eager to give that up to be openly poly. My close friends know Andy and I are open. I don't really care beyond that.

I also don't have any issues referring to Dag as "my friend" because, well, that's what he is. "Boyfriend" is a term I use here, because it seems better understood than FWB, but in the real world I wouldn't feel right using that word. It still implies an escalator to me, and most people I know... Boyfriend becomes fiancé becomes husband. Whereas Dag... The only difference between Dag and my other friends is that I have sex with Dag. So the only people I've felt any desire to tell are friends with whom discuss my sex life. (Which is an embrassingly high number of people, now that I think about it :eek:)

The DADT stuff annoys me occasionally. I don't think twice about being affectionate with Dag in public, because the level of PDA I do with him (quick kisses, cuddles, holding hands) is the same as I do with other friends. But Dag will (nicely) ask me to refrain from that stuff if we're somewhere that he knows people. Not the end of the world, but kind of a pain.

And I do wish I could meet his kids someday. They sound like awesome little people. They're a few years younger than K's kids, and it's a fun age... But Dag's wife would freak about that. Even if I was introduced as a friend. I don't really get that, but they're her kids, it's her call. Still kind of sucks, though.
 
I don't feel the need to be open as in telling everyone I know that I'm poly, but if it's relevant, or if I'm talking with someone who's important to me (or, occasionally, to someone whose chain I want to yank; I can be petty like that from time to time, mostly with my mother), I do want to be able to say something. My in-laws are in the "important to me" category, even though I don't really have a lot of contact with them, which is why it rankles that I have to refer to Woody as "a close friend." That isn't untrue, which is the only reason I say it, but it isn't the *whole* truth and so still strikes me as dishonest.

However, most of my friend-ish people know, other than a few who I know are uber-religious (or Mormon) and would be upset and probably end the friendship. My health care providers know, because since I have sex with Hubby and Woody (not at the same time, as fun as that would be), it's relevant that I'm in two relationships. The pastor at the church Alt and Country attend with my mother-in-law knows; he was one of the "yank the chain" people because that denomination, United Church of Christ, has an "open and affirming" policy which is meant to demonstrate that they're inclusive of anyone LGBTetc., and I decided to see how far that went.
 
Dag did something this morning that really annoyed me, and I'm trying to figure out *why* it bugged me so much :confused:

I have the day off, and we're supposed to meet up late afternoon. Yay! But when we were chatting over text this morning, he said, "You should tempt me with sexy pics all day."

And ... Boom. My good mood was gone. I'm halfway tempted to just cancel our date, because right now I'm not feeling it at all.

Why did it upset me??? Well, part of it is that my immediate reaction is guilt - I'm a shitty girlfriend, I don't send enough naked pics. Which is bullshit. I send him pics all the time. Not to mention, it's not my frigging job to entertain him.:cool:

Sometimes I feel like he still sees only this fantasy version of me, this sex object, not the whole me. You know what's on my list for today? Dogs to vet for shots. Yoga. Grocery shopping. Mow the lawn. What's not on my list? Lounge around in skimpy lingerie and take selfies. Some days that may make the list, but today is full.

Before we started dating, Dag used to spend hours every night chatting with cam girls online. Like, to the point he thought of some of them as friends :rolleyes: He stopped after we got together, and when I asked why, he said, "I don't need them, I have you!" I get the general idea there, that they were an outlet for his sexual frustration, and now he's getting laid regularly. But. C'mon. Cam girl and girlfriend do not sub out for each other. One is sexy images and chat for tips, the other is... A REAL LIVE HUMAN BEING WITH REAL STUFF SHE NEEDS TO DO.

Yeah. I'm a little pissed off :eek: But then, I feel bad for being pissed, because there's nothing wrong with wanting to sext all day and build the mood. I'm just not up for it today. Which is fine. I just wish I could be "not up for it" but not freak out about him asking.
 
Well, I ended up canceling my date today. And postponing most of the rest of my to-do list.

Instead I slept for four hours, which was glorious. I've been trying to get by on five hours a night, and my body can do it, but my brain can't. My moods get wonky and I turn into a crazy person.

This morning was a perfect example, really. The sane, grown-up thing to do would have been to tell Dag I was too tired and busy to play sexy text all day. But did I do that? No. I got angry and sad, burst into tears in the middle of my workout, and cried hysterically for an hour.

Dag and I had a good talk once I finally called him. I think he was blindsided by what a huge fucking deal I was making about one text. But he still calmed me down and made me feel better. He reminded me that he loves me no matter what, and next time I should just tell him right away, because the last thing he wants is to pressure me. He also gently suggested that I needed sleep more than a date today. Sometimes I feel like that guy has a copy of the Boyfriend Manual in his hand. He always knows exactly what to say.

Exhaustion aside, I do think there is some underlying reason I got sooo upset this morning. Some reason I feel this much frustration in my relationship with Dag. I don't remember ever having this level of stress in my relationship with Andy - even when we were going through shitty years, and barely having sex, and fighting all the time. I never questioned whether Andy and I were right for each other. I never had these feelings of not being good enough with Andy. Hmmmm. Something I need to think on.
 
Personally, I get pissed off if someone asks me for even a face pic or a fully-clothed picture of myself, but I despise having my picture taken and have gotten some seriously negative reactions to pics in the past, which only increased my despising of it. Fortunately, my guys know better (at least Hubby does...Woody's still learning) than to ask...
 
There's something I've been meaning to post about all week, but I haven't, because I'm a little ... ashamed, maybe? But, fuck that, I need to process it and write it out.

I realized something important when I was out at dinner last week, listening to Dag and Andy talk about work. They both manage pretty big groups of people, and they were talking about ways to push people to grow in their careers. Both guys are of the "show the initiative and ability, and then you'll get rewarded" school of thought, and they're beyond frustrated that they have people on their teams making 150k+ who are coasting along doing the bare minimum - and then bitching that they're not getting raises or promotions.

One thing they mentioned was that you have to know your team members well, and know who is in a good place to take on new challenges, and who isn't. As in, sometimes people have a ton going on in their personal lives, and need to be able to coast at work for a while. This was all just said in passing, but it has echoed in my head all week. "Some guys on my team have health issues, or their wife has health issues..." "Her mom's in the hospital, so obviously she needs to worry about that first..." "His wife is 8 months pregnant and they have a special needs kid starting school..."

Look at the consideration we give to certain relationships - spouses, parents, kids. There was no "her friend is having issues" or "the woman he's casually dating is sick". No one batted an eye when I took a month off work when Andy was hospitalized for foot surgery. But if I'd said I needed leave because a friend was in the hospital? Not the same. When I had complications weeks after surgery last year, Andy flew home cross country immediately, and the company covered the money it cost to change his ticket, no questions asked. When Steph got injured while he was traveling, he didn't have that. It was wait or pay to get home yourself (and deal with a pissed off boss because you didn't finish your week of meetings).

And it goes beyond emergency level stuff. Andy can go in hours late to work with the "had to drive my wife to drop off her car for an oil change" excuse. Dag leaves early anytime his wife has an appointment and he needs to watch the kids after school. We just take that stuff for granted - that the whole world bends a little around family obligations. That's not even getting into things like my being able to handle Andy's 401(K), or Dag dealing with his wife's medical bills.

I've always known my need for a partner related to the many situations in life that require a support person. Everything from a ride home from dental surgery, to buying soup when you're sick, to holding your hand when you're sad, to celebrating when you're happy. But I could never quite put my finger on why I needed a *partner* for that. I have great friends, and they would be (and frequently are!) there in those ways. Why do I need an Official Designated Person for that stuff?

A big part of it, I realize now, is the societal stamp of approval. The universal acknowledgment of the importance of a relationship. Asking a friend is not the same as asking my husband - being there for me is much easier for my husband, because our world accepts and expects that. I happily pinch-hit for my friends' life partners when they can't be there - but could I be the every day, every time support person for a friend? I'd damn sure try, if someone needed me to, but it would be harder than being Andy's default person. I've noticed that Steph is relying more and more on her daughter to fill that support person role, instead of Andy or Jen. I have wondered why - but I bet there are fewer questions and headaches when it's your daughter in the waiting room, instead of your best friend.

It's hard for me to admit all this - I feel like I'm supposed to be a Strong Independent Woman :rolleyes: Someone who doesn't need a partner to feel secure. But we ALL need other people sometimes. And for me - yeah, it's a huge deal that everyone around me expects and supports my husband being there for me. Not just our family and friends, but the boss at work, the receptionist at the dentist, the customer service guy at the bank. It's simpler. Easier. Maybe I'm just lazy, lol.

I am glad, though, that Dag and Andy's chat sparked this train of thought. I've always wondered why having to rely on friends and/or non-escalator partners for life stuff freaked me out so much. A big part of it really is the difference between asking my husband and knowing the rest of his life will bend to accommodate, vs asking several friends, and hoping one of them can be there without causing a huge inconvenience in some other part of their life.
 
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