A few things we have learned.

Astirarose

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Husband and I have both talked and realized a LOT of what we did wrong in this situation. We jumped in before we were prepared.

We know that we will not being seeking out partners until he and I feel we are both ready to not have the rules ands restrictions in place.

With that said, How long did you talk (established couples) and What did you do to prepare, to be ready for that first possible date?
 
Hi Astirarose,

When you say "first possible date," do you mean dating individually or dating as a couple? and the person you date, will they be a primary or secondary partner?

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Separately, going out on our own dates, and secondary. I guess when do you know you are ready for it? We do know when we finally do, other then some ground rules ( like condoms ect) that we want to be ok with the possibility of sex happening. Not that I'm saying it would right off, but being able to let each other just enjoy the dates, the other relationship without worrying about coming home to jealousy.

I realize there will be some, but I want it to be manageable when we start so that neither of us feels like we need to suddenly put restrictions on what the other does.

How do you know when you at that point before actually experiencing?
 
I am thinking one is never completely ready. You just go for it when the jealousy is down to manageable levels. I suppose it would be helpful if one could visualize one's partner having sex with someone new, and see how one feels about it. This way at least there's a hypothetical go-ahead.
 
Ive seen him and he has seen me.. neither of us had problems with it, but I imagine going off alone and having sex is harder?
 
Only harder if one of you gets jealous over it.
That's when it's good to talk about how much info you care to share with each other.
For example, I like to know what my wife is up to and vice versa. I prefer less details with my girlfriend - she tells me what she wants, but I don't press for more. It's what makes you comfortable.
 
Maybe it's a trust issue. Does one trust one's partner to go off and have sex with someone else? or does one have to be present while the sex happens?
 
Maybe it's a trust issue. Does one trust one's partner to go off and have sex with someone else? or does one have to be present while the sex happens?

On a quirky note, I got a visual with this comment. Or rather audial "How can I let them go off and have sex by themselves? What if they don't really do it? I need to watch and be sure." :p
 
(Kevin wrote) I suppose it would be helpful if one could visualize one's partner having sex with someone new, and see how one feels about it. This way at least there's a hypothetical go-ahead.

Interestingly, this was one of the techniques that I used to get comfortable (as much as possible, anyway) with the idea of Becky having sex with her bf. I had met him and had a couple of pics of him so it was easier to get a clear visualization (in conjunction with meditation, I've had some experience with visualization). When Becky first asked me to open our marriage so she could explore her feelings about Ben (see link in sig below for the story), the most disturbing aspect was having to think of Becky having sex with another man - especially given my conservative good ol' boy upbringing (though I never did completely fit in to that). But, I first remembered that she had her share of lovers before me - some of which we had discussed in detail - so it wasn't too difficult to achieve that visualization. To my own surprise, I discovered that the image of her making love to her bf seemed to enhance my perception of her sexuality in some odd way that is difficult to describe. This was one of the keys, I believe, to my eventual paradigm shift that allowed me to give my blessing to her having sex with her bf.

(Amac wrote) For example, I like to know what my wife is up to and vice versa

The fascination I found with the idea of Becky having sex with her bf, led me to include in the negotiations that she be willing to share the details of her sexual encounters with me in detail - and answer honestly any questions that I had. Becky did not really have any problem with this (other than her concern for my feelings - was I sure that I wanted to know?!) as we had both talked about details of our experiences with former lovers on several occasions - not to mention that we both enjoy bed time stories, which are a regular aspect of our love making.

I wasn't sure that I wanted to know, but I was willing to give it a try after the first overnight to see how we would both react - and it actually turned out to be a very sexy experience as she described her experiences with Ben during our own foreplay. And it was even hotter after the second overnight - which is when I realized that Becky actually enjoyed telling me about her adventures - and freely admitted to enjoying it when I asked her about it. Building on that, later - during some fantasy play which included all 3 of us (in the fantasy) - Becky admitted she was turned on by the idea of me watching them have sex - perhaps during round two - after a threesome with all 3 of us during the first round. (This did lead to some discussion of a possible MFM threesome at some point - and Ben said he was game - so that might be a possibility also at some point).

Any other experiences along these lines?

Al
 
Husband and I have both talked and realized a LOT of what we did wrong in this situation. We jumped in before we were prepared.

We know that we will not being seeking out partners until he and I feel we are both ready to not have the rules ands restrictions in place.

With that said, How long did you talk (established couples) and What did you do to prepare, to be ready for that first possible date?

Spexy and I talked A LOT after his fiasco with the other woman. We still do, on occasion. From different angles, insights, things we discovered about each other.

One side effect I discovered was that our relationship is now stronger than ever. Sex is hotter, love is brighter and we are far more appreciative of what we have. I think it is the result of both the narrow escape and the heightened conversations between us.

He still doesn't feel ready to be involved with anyone else. He claims he doesn't "ever" want to do it again - once burned, forever shy. To be fair, it was a burned kind of experience. Apart from the hurt he caused me and the distress and shame when he realized how he had acted with me, the woman threatened to have him assaulted by her friends and arrested for raping her when he broke off with her and stopped engaging. She threatened to have me arrested along with him for "running a sex racket" - exact words. Major drama. He isn't averse to poly, but he doesn't want to take this kind of a risk ever again. I'm giving him all the space he needs to be okay. He doesn't ever "have to" date anyone. It is fine.

We are anyway having a lot of conversations about communication, the need for it, and so on. Hypothetical situations help, given that we aren't actually seeing anyone. As in, "what do you think of a situation like this" or "what would you feel if" or "What would you want me to do if..." Sometimes we discuss some current happening in the news or among other people from the lens of poly.

We don't do this to prepare for another relationship - he is averse and I'm not interested in finding someone at this point - full life, no time and attention to spare. It is more about understanding each other as non-monogamous poeple - I think it is more difficult when there is no one else in sight and it can be easy to take some things for granted monogamy-style and perhaps having more insight into dynamics around polyamory and what would be okay and what would be an area to check in the event either of us does find someone interesting.

One of the major problems last time was that we had never really had any conversations about poly at all. We didn't even know our "not promising monogamy" was called polyamory. We simply came together as people not involved with anyone else at that point and people who didn't believe in monogamy. Since no one was looking for anyone at that point, the subject of how it would play out never really came up for discussion between us. So when he suddenly found himself in the middle of NRE, he wasn't aware that he had to keep anything else in mind and he overcommitted to the new relationship, messed things up with me, then backpedalled and had no defenses or awareness that he could draw lines and refuse if the new partner started taking major commitments for granted from the word go.

No one can predict what kind of a person they come across, but these conversations give us a better understanding of how we can conduct ourselves and manage our own boundaries regardless.

We are seeing these discussions more like sex-ed than preparations. Learning about birth control doesn't necessarily mean you head off to have sex - so to say.
 
Well tonight, I was feeling confident and asked my husband to describe in detail one of the times he and ex-gf were alone together.

He was hesitant at first, But I really felt confident in doing this, and told him that If I felt like it was too much I would ask him to stop.

We got through the whole scenario. These are the affectionate issues I have been grappling with.

I felt a little burning rush at first, that didn't last for more than a couple of seconds, and even teased him a little bit on a couple things. But I got through the whole thing and I felt fine after.

I also decided (Feeling confident again) to ask him one of my harder questions, I asked him if they exchanged I Love you's.

They did.. Once. Now the situation surrounding it, I think is more what caused my burning, this one was much stronger, but I reasoned it out. He had lied about it before (because it was during their phone call a few days ago. And I think that was my primary issue with it (trust).. But I also know at the time, why he would have felt the need to withhold it and not tell me.

We got through it fine. I feel fine.

Now he did say it was at the end of the conversation, she had called him drunk, and she said it at the end, and he instinctively said it.

He said that it made him think for the next couple of days if it was actually true. Then the other night happened where he broke things off. He now realizes (he says) that it was NRE, because he knows he doesn't feel that way.

So Im not sure if that was a true test for me or not, since it was realized to not be genuine.

But I do know the major burning I did feel was over distrust, not that actual words.

So we reversed it, and I described some things that happened 4 years ago with the man I was briefly involved with.

He got turned on... But he isn't sure if it did not bother him, because at the time this happened he was encouraging it, with the anticipation of our first threesome that night.

I'm not sure what this all means, will he feel different when he doesn't get a direct benefit (sexual encounter). Or is this a good sign that he will probably be ok?

Im finding the things I am having the biggest issues with revolve around "sneakiness" and trust. Not the actual acts.

I had the biggest issues on the trip, when I could tell they were being sneaky behind our backs.. But I thought and assumed they were having some flirtations and fun when I would leave them alone on purpose, and it didn't cause twinges.

I'm thinking its possible that the hangups I still have are over honesty?

I'm of course not going to request full disclosures of things when we move forward, But I do know I will want honesty.
 
It is possible. It is also possible that it is both jealousy and honesty and the lack of honesty you sensed allowed you to take the easy way on the jealousy by opposing. Because the jealousy definitely was there and it got handled via control. The disapproval you had was still for their intimacy, even though the cause may have been sensing something else (for example, even if she were dishonest, the relationship between them was theirs to handle - you could at best point out problems you spot).

Postmortems are always easier than actually being in a situation, because you have the bird's eye view and the luxury of interpreting the situation in the way the most comfortable for you psychologically. But there is never only one thing going on in a situation. There are dozens, if not hundreds. It is possible that you sensed dishonesty AND you were jealous AND you were controlling AND so on.

Main thing would be to look forward and respond more mindfully in the future. For that you may need a more active game plan than responsibility fixing (on someone else, that too someone else who will be absent in future) and more, lots, lots, lots more practice stating and managing your emotions in a functional manner.

This doesn't have to be about other relationships and such. It can be about anything that lets you put difficult feelings into words at appropriate times and find resolution. Cranky neighbour? irritating boss? nosy relatives? whatever. How do you manage your feelings in the moment in a manner that resolves the situation (by maintaining distance, drawing boundaries, sucking it up and calling it life, whatever). It is a life skill that will manifest in all communications (and thus can be improved in any communication rather than the most highly charged alone).

The past is gone. The future will be dermined by your actions. Not his. Not hers. Not someone else's.
 
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