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  1. River

    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    PS - F.A., My thoughts and concerns about the larger society are not all about me, by the way. As a very serious student of human ecology, ecological design and related topics and fields (I write on these topics), I have naturally developed a habit of thinking of everything in socio-cultural...
  2. River

    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    Thing is, F.A., I've been open and available. The so-called "law of attraction" is just so much magical thinking. In scientific terms, I've run the experiments and gotten my results. People are not the way they are because of how I am. They are the way they are because of how they are. I...
  3. River

    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    Yes, the ever increasing reduction of the human imagination into the thoughts and feelings most conducive to totalitarian capitalism and neoliberalism certainly seems to be a major driver to the increasingly rampant desacralization which is objectification of humans. I find it strange that...
  4. River

    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    I don't know what "purely sexual interests" are. More specifically, I cannot blithely segregate sexual feeling or sexual acts from all of that which for some is peskily tainting "purely sexual interests". For me, sexual activity is inevitably and unavoidably bound together with … well...
  5. River

    Hierarchies

    Sorry, ElMango. That comment of mine should never have been posted -- and I deleted it, but not before you quoted it. I regret posting it. Discussing it here at all would only distract from the thread. Let's just let it pass. Thanks!
  6. River

    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    Worms are sentient. So are knats. Few organisms lack sentience. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sentient Sapience, on the other hand, appears to be much less common among Earth species. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sapience?s=t By their common usage in most dictionaries, though...
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    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    I found this quote while reading online this morning. It seems to speak to the question of what is "normal" (and what isn't) quite well, and interestingly. Excerpted from - http://ericgarza.info/essays/awakening-to-the-traumacene/ An individual loses his/her "connection" (a sense of...
  8. River

    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    "The man’s body is sacred and the woman’s body is sacred, No matter who it is, it is sacred—is it the meanest one in the laborers’ gang? Is it one of the dull-faced immigrants just landed on the wharf? Each belongs here or anywhere just as much as the well-off, just as much as you, Each has...
  9. River

    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    No, actually, I was wondering if you knew--precisely, technically--the difference between a social construction and those beliefs and assumptions which are not social constructions. You said, "Values, ethics, and aesthetics are social constructs," which I took to mean (speculating here) that...
  10. River

    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    Do you mean to say they are "just" (as in 'merely') social constructs? Have you thought clearly and in depth into what it means--what is implicit and not--for something to be a social construct? Let us be clear, your correct observation that humans are animals (mammals, primates) is itself a...
  11. River

    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    I said, "I think treating people--and ourselves--as if they/we are 'just' hunks of animal flesh is pathological and pathogenic." And I realize this may be very misleading. And I likewise realized that explaining what I mean is not going to be easy. I could start with analogous examples...
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    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    Yes, we are animals all right. Not sure what the word "just" is supposed to do here? Is the word "just" meant to say that values and ethics and aesthetics are to be disregarded? Purpose? Our purpose is to breed? That makes us a very strange animal, since we do so many things that have little...
  13. River

    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    There are a very many ways in which sexual objectification can show up. In my observation, one of the most common ways it shows up is in the gay/bi male milieu is in the various apps and websites men use to attempt to find others with whom some intimacy might be shared. These venues often...
  14. River

    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    I think Wikipedia's definition for sexual objectification is plenty adequate as a definition.: excerpted from - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_objectification Sexual objectification is just one of many ways people can objectify persons, and this thread is titled in such a way as to...
  15. River

    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    And that from an atheist! Yes, Trump is a bit of slime mold that the world would be happier to be free of.
  16. River

    Objectification (sexual, etc.)

    As a bi man, I've been often rather astonished at how little discussion one can find, or participate in, anywhere, about sexual objectification in the gay/bi/queer male milieu. One can find plenty -- from feminists and feminism -- about this problem in the het milieu. In the gay/bi/queer male...
  17. River

    Gender

    Trump Administration Wants to Change Definition of Gender to Restrict Transgender Rights https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-change-transgender-definition-745214/ "The meaning of words don't change overnight. The word gender didn't begin mutating until around 2010."...
  18. River

    Gender

    It is a demonstrable and basically undisputed historical fact that the English language -- like all languages -- is in continuous flux. It's not something anyone (not even millennials) can keep stable and unchanging … or alter on their own. Gender is a word which began mutating, sometimes...
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    Gender

    You seem to be treating gender as synonymous with biological sex, which historically -- it appears to me -- was (but no longer remains) the cultural norm in places such as we frequent. ("Modern Western Civilization") "Same thing" means synonymous. Same-same. Equivalency. But then there is...
  20. River

    Gender

    I love the idea that what it ultimately all means is that we should accept folks as they are. I'm quite attracted to androgyny in both men and women. No woman is more sexy to me than a tomboy! (Yum!) And guys who let their "feminine side" out to play are pretty yummy too. And sexiness, for...
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