Abusive open relationship?

paul8976

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Hi everyone

If you could bear with me, I am new to polyamorous relationships and I hope I can receive some advice from this community. I am very confused and fairly hurt right now from the relationship that has just, kinda...ended.

I met this girl about 8 months ago while living abroad. We hit it off and had amazing chemistry both inside and outside the bedroom. But after about 3 weeks she sent me a letter telling me she was in an open relationship. I was completely blindsided by this, and felt she should have told me this right away. We had a long discussion about her open relationship and her boyfriend, and I tried to learn as much as I could.

She told me they lived together, had been dating for 3 years and had decided to open the relationship about 1 year ago. So far things has gone well for them, she had slept with some guys and he had only kissed a few girls but their relationship seemed better.

At this point we had developed feelings for one another, and she told me her bf was cool with everything, but he didn’t want to know about any details btw us. We continued to see each other every weekend and things were great at first, however I never met the bf. In fact one weekend she arrived at my place and told me that her and her bf were fighting about me. He thought she was spending too much time with me and neglecting him. She told me she said to him, “this is the way it is and if you don’t like it, maybe we should break up” before leaving for my place.:confused: I said that maybe we should talk about this, but she told me that things btw the two of them were still ok. Shortly after this, he left for home, leaving the two of us. We continued to become more and more intimate, while she assured me that the bf was ok with our relationship.

However, as our relationship progressed, she would often compare the two of us. If we had an argument, she would tell me that her bf wouldn’t have reacted this way and how easier he was to get along with. Or another example, how her bf was not nearly as romantic as I, and I was much more charming.

She compared us sexually as well, constantly reminding me how good the sex was btw us, and how her sex life with her bf was always mediocre and basically non-existent. They hardly ever kissed, sex was rare, and in the mere 3 months of dating she said she had kissed me more times than her bf of 3 years. She said she never had this level of intimacy with her bf or anyone else for that matter, and that was a big reason to open the relationship.

This is where red flags started going off.

Also, while sitting with her one day she explained how her bf had a couple crazy ex’s who had ‘broke him’ and THAT was why she was able to see me and have an open relationship. Because he was “essentially broken” (in her words) she told me she has also been able to get away with things with him and other men. She said that she loved him for his intelligence but had never ‘fell in love’ with him, like she said she had with me. I was slowly becoming more and more uncomfortable with this whole arrangement, and it wasn’t feeling genuine anymore.

About a month later she moved back with her bf and I was left still living abroad. This is where everything changed btw us. She became cold and distant almost overnight and it became clear that she didn’t want anything to do with me anymore. When she finally did talk to me, it was to tell me that her bf wanted to close their relationship and that her bf didn’t like how serious the relationship btw her and I got. I was the furthest she went with someone. While telling me this she also mentioned that she told her bf that sex with me was ‘a lot better’ and that she didn’t feel sexual toward him at all. She said that made him more upset.

We didn’t talk nearly as much but she did say that she still wanted to talk with me and that she would always love me. However, while traveling to another country I sent her a postcard (she loves them and wanted one from me while I was traveling). When she received it, she told me ‘it was ok’ and ‘recycled immediately’. I was so confused and so hurt that she would tell me that. She told me she enjoyed the card but I had to get over it and at this point ‘her bf’s feelings and protecting them are more important’.:( I was heartbroken

Needless to say I stopped talking to her for a while. When we did talk again, she mentioned that she had told her bf that she simply cannot do a closed relationship with him and it needs to be open. She was now dating again and looking for someone to have casual sex with. She had also mentioned that she had been going on dates, one was with a recovering heroin addict and she had had unprotected sex with him already, but he said he was clean.:eek: I tried messaging her shortly after and she totally blew me off, never responded to my question to catch up. She sent me a link to a random web page instead. However, only a couple weeks ago she was telling me how important I was to her and how much she missed me??


I have stopped talking to her altogether now, but I just have to say… what just happened? What was this? Was this an open relationship at all?

I’m so confused and looking back I feel as though I was mistreated, and my best interest was never considered.

Was I merely a convenience for her? She claimed to be polyamorous but she didn’t want anything to do with me after she left, besides filling me in on details about her sex life.

I also feel that her bf’s concerns were never really addressed as well and this wasn’t the definition of a healthy open relationship.

I had only been involved in monogamous relationships before, and wanted to experience polygamy because I feel I’m more hardwired this way, but this experience has left me feeling used and really upset.


Thank you to anyone who took the time to read this.
 
I think you know that this was a messed up scenario and that she didn't treat you (or seemingly her boyfriend either) very well at all.

What I liked about your story is that when red flags went up, you noticed them. And when things became really weird, you dialed back or walked away. You've got a solid 'spidey-sense' for when a relationship dynamic is off, and I'm sure this will steer you well through future relationships whether monogamous or not. In my experience, poly relationships can get twisted in different ways and can be more complex than mono relationships, but there's nothing inherently better or worse about open/closed models. Being some kind of "open" can feel more risky, but I reckon it's just differently risky.

I can imagine how hurtful this has been for you, especially as it sounds like you were sincerely trying to make sense of it all as a new non-monogamous experience, learning along the way and feeling strong intimacy at times.

I'm glad you saw the lumps for what they were and I hope you meet healthier people to relate to next time!
 
I am so sorry you deal in this aftermath. I could be wrong, but she sounds histrionic to me. If you have never before brushed up against people like that, the first time can be a shocker.

You might still feel a bit shocked, but I want to validate that YES, this was a messed up situation and YES you are calling it right. You are not crazy or imaging things. She did treat you poorly.

I have stopped talking to her altogether now, but I just have to say… what just happened? What was this? Was this an open relationship at all?

No. Not an ethical Open relationship. It was bait and switch. She led to you believe it was just you. Then after getting in your pants, she reveals she has a BF. She was not up front about it and she did not ask you if you wanted to participate in an Open relationship. She did not obtain your consent first. Basically, you got sucked in and used.

To me she sounds messed up. Into chaos manufacture. Keep way from her and let it be over. Don't give her opportunity to hurt you again.

She had also mentioned that she had been going on dates, one was with a recovering heroin addict and she had had unprotected sex with him already, but he said he was clean. :eek:

If you have not already had your STD tests, go get them now. I hope you test clean. Who knows what other hijinks she was up to without disclosing. KEEP AWAY FROM HER. It is not your job to "fix" her or "rescue" her from her weird.

I’m so confused and looking back I feel as though I was mistreated, and my best interest was never considered.

You are correct. You were mistreated. And she did not consider your best interests because it's all about her and what she gets.

Was I merely a convenience for her? She claimed to be polyamorous but she didn’t want anything to do with me after she left, besides filling me in on details about her sex life.

Yes. You were a convenient supply source for her. You got used for "sex supply" and then she wanted to keep using you for "listen to me bash my bf audience supply." Basically you existed in her world to prop her up and if you were't giving her "supply" of some kind she had no use for you. Now she's calling back to try to make you be her "audience supply" again so you listen to her new drama.

I also feel that her bf’s concerns were never really addressed as well and this wasn’t the definition of a healthy open relationship.

You are correct. She's using/abusing him also. None of it is healthy relating.

I had only been involved in monogamous relationships before, and wanted to experience polygamy because I feel I’m more hardwired this way, but this experience has left me feeling used and really upset

I don't blame you for feeling upset that you were used. Feeling upset about this treatment is the natural, reasonable, healthy thing to feel. Nobody likes being treated badly. You deserve to be treated WELL.

Next time you find out someone is doing lies of omission and withholding critical information from you? Doesn't obtain your full consent first? Walk away much earlier. Don't keep going out with them.

While I am glad you eventually got away from this? I think you could have ended it here because she did lies of omission in leaving things out:

I met this girl about 8 months ago while living abroad. We hit it off and had amazing chemistry both inside and outside the bedroom. But after about 3 weeks she sent me a letter telling me she was in an open relationship. I was completely blindsided by this, and felt she should have told me this right away.

You are right. She could have been honest from the start. You could have ended it 3 weeks in for lying to you. I know that you wanted to try poly, but pick healthy people to poly with. Every person that comes along to offer you "Open" or "Poly" is not necessarily a healthy person or ethical person.

Could learn to ASK if there's anyone else in the picture before getting sexual with people. They might still lie to you, but at then least you are asking. Take your time getting to know them and their character before sharing sex. Learn recognize "off" behavior and decide you want to have NO part of it.

This was not ethical polyamory or ethical non monogamy. This was just a big ol' mess where she's collecting people to use to fuel her ego trip.

Her running hot and cold is called push-pull. For whatever reason, it sounds like she's low on suppliers right now and she's sniffing around you again to get a new hit of supply. I suggest you ignore her. Don't be available, don't reply, just be a big ol' zero source of attention supply. No positive attention. No negative attention. Just no attention at all! I suspect she'll soon flit off to prey on someone else who is an easier target and she'll lose your number once she realizes there's just no more supply to be had with you.

You have worth, dignity and value. You deserve to be treated WELL. Keep away from her. You already know she does not treat people well.

Again, I am so sorry you had to experience this. :(

Galagirl
 
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It's not easy to find three people who are going to be properly skilled at dealing with the complexities of polyamory. The ones that are would be a very small mili-fraction of the population. Given that, you would hope to find attraction, intellectual stimulation and chemistry as well. It's possible, but so are lottery winners.

I wish you the best.
 
I'm sorry you experienced this. It sounds awful, confusing and just icky.

There is something awry with her. Something not right. You know this. The particulars of what exactly is awry don't matter so much. (I generally don't find armchair/internet diagnosing people with this or that disorder to be all that helpful, although there are exceptions.)

Look, this is an unpleasant experience. However, there is an important silver lining to this. Once you've experienced someone like this, you will recognize similar patterns in others for the rest of your life. That recognition will allow you to avoid people who behave in this way. It's actually incredibly useful in preventing getting enmeshed with someone similar.

You did a fine job of recognizing something was off and separating yourself from it. Learn what you can from it and move on.

Sadly, claiming to be polyamorous (or any other label) doesn't automatically make one healthy or stable, or even just a decent person. I wish it did.
 
I'm totally into my partners sharing the sexy details of their dates/encounters I'm definitely NOT into hearing them talk shit about or run down other people.

If they do it to them they're probably talking about you too.
 
Thank you so much for all of the responses! I appreciate it immensely. I haven't had access to a computer for the last couple of days so reading these this morning is a nice surprise!

The last I spoke to her I had sent her a msg telling her how hurt I was for completely ignoring me over and over, while not considering my feelings at all, and to leave me alone. She sent a very disingenuous and strange apology "I'm sorry you're hurting, what do you want me to do to help you?", and I haven't responded to it. I haven't spoken to her for a few weeks now, and she hasn't reached out at all besides that, so I'm figuring she's already moved on and has a new guy now. It's hard to believe she could just dispose of me so easily, as though our time together was meaningless:(

While she was mentioning her several dates, I also remember her saying that the RECENTLY recovering heroin addict (only 8 months sober) was the "best one so far" so she was going to continue seeing him. Unfortunately she has a history of drug use (loves opiates, heroin once, went looking for meth while she was drunk) and feel that this could be a slippery slope for her. Also, I'm sure her bf WOULD NOT appreciate her sleeping with a recovering addict without protection.

Again, thank you to everyone who took the time to respond. I have been trying to make sense of it all and your advice has helped so so much! I am trying to heal, but it's going to take some time. It hurts when you've cared about someone so much but they don't seem to care about you at all.
 
I'm so sorry that this bad relationship had to run over you, since it seems to be a runaway train rolling over a lot of people. Polyamory is in no way an excuse to avoid relationship problems or personal issues. Communication is a core pillar of all of it! I'm glad for you that you recognized the warming signs of an abusive and dishonest relationship. It took me years to learn that one!

I hope that you find better and also hope that in the end this very broken person only helped make you stronger and more likely to find happiness.

Don't want to be nosy, but I would get tested immediately since you can't trust her sexual encounters while she was with you. Please don't think I'm judging her for the ways she wants to be intimate...I just want to stress that unprotected sex, especially with high-risk partners is her choice...not your obligation.

I wish you happiness and recovery!
 
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Hi paul8976,

I just wanted to add my sympathies and affirmation to what's already been posted here. You called it right, this recently-ex was not a healthy person to be with, and not very honest. I think the last message she sent you was meant to draw you back in, so you'd be available in case she wanted to use you. The only right way to respond to that is to not respond at all. She was asking what you wanted her to do, when you had already just told her: "Please leave me alone." How many times would you have to repeat that? Once is enough.

I hope you won't give up on polyamory because of this bad experience, though I would respect your decision regardless. I know if I was in your shoes I would feel like saying, "Never again." I would just say that every relationship is a risk, whether poly or mono. Better to have loved and lost, than not to have loved at all, as the saying goes.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
It does hurt when things like this happen.

I'm glad that you told her to leave you alone and didn't get sucked back in. You shouldn't have to KEEP telling her to leave you be. She could respect your limit. Once is plenty and then just don't answer her calls any more. Block the number if you have to.

I'm glad you are working on healing and focussing on yourself right now.

Best wishes,
Galagirl
 
Thank you all for your support. You have no idea how helpful you have been.

Honestly, when her first reaction to my postcard was to tell me that 'it was ok', and 'immediately recycled', I should have figuratively walked away right there. Being told that someone else's feelings were more important than my own, well, I've never felt so worthless and unappreciated in my life. And to think I was merely sending her a postcard...

I agree kdt26417 & GalaGirl, I think the "apology" was to merely suck me back in and essentially keep me around or string me along. There was nothing sincere about it. Especially considering that I had sent her two messages a couple days prior (the 2nd asking if we could Skype), only for her to read both messages (read receipts) and not respond at all, but send me a random weblink a few days later. IDK how anyone could completely ignore someone you claim to care about, and not even bother to respond. It doesn't make sense. This was when I said enough is enough.

I did blocked her from all forms of social media shortly after our last conversation. I couldn't bear to see her comments on mutual friends' photos, saying how much she missed them, while I sat there trying to understand how she could have mistreated me again and again, and not have a care in the world.

I don't want to give up on polyamory, but right now, I'm focusing on myself and healing first before jumping into a new relationship. I believe she did care for me at one point, but again, only while it was convenient for her, and that's not someone I want to be associated with.

I can't help but think how incredibly sad the whole thing is though. I truly cared about her. It's very sad is all.

Hopefully one day I will meet someone who will treat me as I would like to be treated; with love and respect.:eek:
 
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"Hopefully one day I will meet someone who will treat me as I would like to be treated; with love and respect."

I hope so too.
 
I can't help but think how incredibly sad the whole thing is though. I truly cared about her. It's very sad is all.

Yes. It's sad.

Hopefully one day I will meet someone who will treat me as I would like to be treated; with love and respect.

Good for you! You DO deserve to be treated how you want to be treated -- with love and respect. You have worth, dignity and value.

I hope you meet someone who does appreciate you for YOU.

Galagirl
 
If you don’t mind, could I ask a couple questions about open relationships? In the future I would like to be more aware of the do’s and don’t when navigating non-monogamous relationships.

So what I don't understand is her relationship with her bf. If she has told me how bad and rare her sex life is with him, that she's TOLD HIM she's not into him sexually, and that she needs to have sex with other men in order for this to work, why does she stick around? Or more so, why does HE stick around?? Especially after she told me he said he’d like to close their relationship when she moved back in with him!!

My question is, is this a reason to open a relationship?

Based on everything I've read so far, I don't see how opening up a relationship because of a severe lack of intimacy is a healthy reason. Is this true? I mean if the relationship has a solid foundation and their is a healthy level of intimacy then sure, adding to that can be wonderful. But if one partner doesn't feel sexual towards another and is now instead seeking those needs elsewhere... what is that?


Also, her jealousy was actually a major contributor to our disagreements. Several times she would berate me for as much as speaking to a female friend. In fact, my one good female friend/coworker and I went with several others to a bar after work one day for a quick drink. I called my ex to tell her where I was and she lashed out at me, claiming that I liked this friend more than her, that she was prettier than my ex and finally, that I didn’t actually love her. Then she hung up on me. I tried reasoning with her and calling back but she wouldn’t have it. The next day I spoke with her about it and she said “it’s not a big deal, she gets jealous sometimes, and to stop being dramatic about everything”, since I brought up how hearing those things makes me feel as well. This continued to happen again and again, with other girls as well, until finally one day she admitted to ‘hating’ my friend simply because she was ‘pretty’.

However, when it came to her bf, she had no jealousy at all. She didn’t care what he did with any other woman. One day she told me a story of her and some friends actually trying to get him to make out with a girl in a bar who looked lonely. They cheered when he finally did it.

So why would she be so jealous with me, yet feel totally indifferent with her bf?

Is this normal with primary/secondary relationships? Or was this just a unique, strange situation?


I'd appreciate any response for my own benefit, as I hope to learn as much as I can!
 
The goal is for you to move on right? Not keep it in the twirly whirly weird?

I am guessing here. But FWIW, if it helps you move on, here's my guess.

So what I don't understand is her relationship with her bf. If she has told me how bad and rare her sex life is with him, that she's TOLD HIM she's not into him sexually, and that she needs to have sex with other men in order for this to work, why does she stick around? Or more so, why does HE stick around?? Especially after she told me he said he’d like to close their relationship when she moved back in with him!!

My question is, is this a reason to open a relationship?

All the above would be a reason for me to END the relationship. To weird for me.

I guess she sticks around with him because she CAN, and because he fulfills a need for her. The scapegoat punching bag.

I guess he sticks around because he's given up and is deep in the fog, or because it meets a need for him somehow. Maybe he thinks this is all he can get. So he accepts crumbs because he's MORE scared to be alone. Who knows?

Neither one of those two people sounds healthy to me.

Based on everything I've read so far, I don't see how opening up a relationship because of a severe lack of intimacy is a healthy reason. Is this true?

"Relationship broken" is not a reason to Open and bring more people into the mess. I think it's easier and healthier to disband first, THEN date others.

But you can read posts here on the forum where people still try to do "Relationship Broken, add more people" as a means to bandaid the original coupling.

I mean if the relationship has a solid foundation and their is a healthy level of intimacy then sure, adding to that can be wonderful.

I think one doesn't "add people to existing relationship." One leaves the 1:1 model and changes to an open model .

But if one partner doesn't feel sexual towards another and is now instead seeking those needs elsewhere... what is that?

If the agreements are Closed, it's called cheating behind his back. Or in this case, cheating in front of his face.

So why would she be so jealous with me, yet feel totally indifferent with her bf?

I guess because you were not "secured" in her web yet and could still flit off. You still had a will of your own.

And the BF was "essentially broken" in her words and wasn't going anywhere even with cheating openly. He was deep in the web and could be taken for granted. He'd lost his own will.

Is this normal with primary/secondary relationships? Or was this just a unique, strange situation?

It is NOT normal in ANY relationship shape -- mono, poly or otherwise. It's wonky/abusive/weird. I get trying to understand the motivations as a means to help you let it go now and help you spot it sooner and get away from it faster in the future should it ever cross your path again.

But accept you will not know 100% of what was going on in those two other people's heads. It's their heads, not yours. Don't spend too much time tilting at windmills, ok? If you need help moving on, it's ok to see a counselor.

I'd appreciate any response for my own benefit, as I hope to learn as much as I can!

I'm not sure what you are wanting to learn more about. Abuse in relationships so you know how to spot it sooner should it ever happen to you?
Or open relationships of various kinds or polyamory in particular?

Abuse:

Poly/Open Relationships

HTH!
Galagirl
 
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This is going to be counterintuitive to you. You don't have questions about open relationships at this point. You don't understand her behavior. I'm writing to tell you there is no 'there' there.

Your questions are really 'why did she act that way?'. And that's really asking 'why did she treat me like that?' Underneath this line of questions are often thoughts like 'is this my fault?', 'what did I do to cause someone to act this way?', 'did I deserve this?'

Don't go down this rabbit hole. There is no 'why' that will ever sufficiently answer why she behaved the way she did towards you. You didn't deserve it and it's not your fault. While this is such a natural human thing to do - ask why - in this case it's not productive. You could spend months, years, trying to answer the inanswerable. Try to accept that this bewildering experience happened, grieve your real losses and pain, learn what you can from it (without obsessing) and start to move on.
 
Hi paul8976,

I suppose your questions could be summarized as, "Is my ex's behavior somehow characteristic of open relationships?" If so, I would say that the way she acted was rather unusual, not characteristic of any kind of relationship. Although, bad behavior in general is common enough and we see a lot of it here. But the details of your ex's behavior are unique to her, as far as I know.

Why do she and her boyfriend stick around with each other? They must have needs of some kind (perhaps dysfunctional) that are met by each other. But that's the most knowledge I can give you without talking to them directly.

Is sexual dysfunction a reason to open a relationship? Sure, it is a reason. But not necessarily a good reason. You really have to examine that case by case. It depends on how the people involved are acting in a number of areas.

In most cases the advice is not to open up unless your existing relationship/s are on solid ground.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
You know what? You are both absolutely right. I really do appreciate your responses, but you are right, better to just chalk it up to not ever understanding and let the past be the past. My emotions and my logical side of me seem to be in a constant battle with one another, and that is what makes it so difficult at times. I know deep down that I was mistreated and the relationship was toxic, but there are still some feelings there. But again, I KNOW this wasn't right.

And I do realize that trying to understand the rationale behind everything is pointless, and my time would be better served focusing on me and people around me who are positive influences.

I know that I am in a much better place already, having removed her from my life, and that's what is most important.

Thank you all :)

and thank you for the links GalaGirl!
 
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