Advice/Perspectives Requested

RumSodomyLash

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I'm quite new to poly and having my first real poly hiccup, and could really use some advice and different perspectives. As background, I am both poly kinky, as is the relationship about which I'm looking for better understanding.

I have a wonderful friend/partner whom I've been dating, engaging in BDSM with, and sleeping with for about seven months. We've both dated other people throughout that time, about which we've been open with them and with each other. I've never felt remotely jealous (until recently), and neither, as far as I know, has he.

For the last few months he's been extremely busy with work, and hasn't been very available or responsive. I get it - shit happens. During this same time, he's started dating someone new. He knew from the beginning that she was interested in a monogamous relationship. He told her that he wasn't open to that. This is about as much as I knew about their relationship, aside from the fact that they see a lot more of each other than he and I do for the simple reason that they live three minutes apart, and I live an hour away.

I never thought much about their relationship, mostly because I tended to think of it as having little if anything to do with my relationship with him. He and I aren't primary, the two of them aren't primary, we're all just dating. The other day I opened up Fetlife (the BDSM equivalent of Facebook), and lo and behold, there's a notification that he's officially "dating" someone. I'm a bit curious, because it's not his style to do the whole social network relationship thing, so I look at her profile and along with a sentence that identifies her to me as this particular person, she also refers to him as her boyfriend. I was spun. Somehow her use of that word made me feel threatened and jealous and suddenly i was wondering whether his non-responsiveness and the fact that he hadn't been wanting to play were because of their relationship.

I pondered for a day, then did the adult thing and called him to talk about it. I let him know that I was feeling insecure, and that it had been sparked by reading her referring to him as her boyfriend, as well as by our recent lack of face-time and BDSM play. He asked what I needed from him in order to feel better, and I told him that I needed clarity on where the two of us stand. I asked specifically about our reduced contact and lack of play, and he attributed them squarely to his work-stress. He then proceeded to explain that she's been trying to maneuver him into an exclusive relationship despite his repeated assertions that he's not open to that. He described a bunch of behavior, including her repeated use of the term boyfriend when introducing him to people even though he's told her that he doesn't want to inhabit that role, and her repeatedly asking "aren't we exclusive now" when they've never agreed any such thing. He told me that there's a decent chance that their relationship will fall apart because of this issue. He also told me that he in no way wanted our relationship to suffer, and that he would work to be more available and responsive to me, and he told me that he was glad I'd brought the issue to him.

I now find myself deeply confused. My various and sundry trains of thought are as follows:

On the one hand, I don't feel nearly so threatened now that I have been reassured that his reason for not being all that responsive or in the mood to play lately has nothing to do with her.

On the other hand, I don't particularly like that he was speaking ill of her to me - it just seems inappropriate.

On the other other hand, I really don't like that there's someone actively trying to eject me from his life, and that he hasn't shut it down for good. It feels really disrespectful of my feelings, on her part, and I wish he weren't so tolerant of it.

Then again, this last part may or may not be any of my damned business.

In my conversations with friends since he and I talked it has been pointed out to me that I may be getting too emotionally invested in what's going on between the two of them, particularly in judging her behavior.


Another thought about which I feel extremely silly is this: I feel badly about the fact that his profile on the social network that we use (not particularly actively, though) now acknowledges her but not me. It makes me feel less-than, invisible. That being the case, I would rather like that same acknowledgment for our relationship (this is totally possible on Fetlife - one can list an unlimited number of relationships of varying kinds). That, however, seems like the sort of thing that might well set off problems with her, since she clearly resents my existence in his life. Had I, therefore, ought to remain silent about the matter in the interest of harmony? Since I probably care less about it than she does (after all, it has never occurred to me to want this before), I wonder whether asking for it now is a form of keeping score or pettiness.

Thank you in advance for your advice and perspectives.
 
Ah, the etiquette and issues of dating in a social media world...

I would be peeved too by that situation. But here is what I suggest trying.

Do nothing. Wait. (Yeah, it's not going to be fun advice!)

If your partner has a history of being honest with you, admitting mistakes when they happen, and generally being trustworthy, give him time to sort this out.

I don't know why he is attempting a relationship with someone who is trying to manipulate him into something else than what he wants. But there may be good reasons. Maybe he just feels this can be resolved.

You could ask to be listed as 'dating' with him on his profile. But I suggest waiting on this as well. Why get into competition with her? You didn't need Fetlife acknowledgement before she came along. As long as he is treating you well, working on getting more time with you, keeping you in the loop, and dealing with this issue with her, do your best not to go down that road.

So I suggest waiting a bit. Not forever. If the situation doesn't improve in a several months time (or whatever time frame seems appropriate), and he is still embroiled in drama with this woman, then maybe it's time for action on your part. Or if he is not really trustworthy, inclined towards drama, and this situation brings that out, you may want to get out of the relationship entirely. But that is theoretical at this point. If he is handling his business, I would let him do it and see how things between the two of you are down the road.

Great username btw!
 
Cow Folk

I wonder whether asking for it now is a form of keeping score or pettiness.

That's what it sounds like to me. Listen to opalescent, and trust your instincts. From what I've read there is a clearly a "cowgirl" trying to lock down a poly person into a monogamous relationship and the ball is entirely in his court. Fortunately you seem to have your head on straight and talked with him and at least are *trying* to mind your own business.
 
Nothing wrong with adding that you and him are in a poly relationship if you guys want and it will make you feel acknowledged as a partner to him. Fet has it in the system to acknowledge multiple partners. Nate had one fb listed as a play partner, one as dating, and open marriage with me.
 
Further considerations

I've decided to take opalescent's advice and do nothing for now. I've realized that my desire to be acknowledged on Fet mostly has to do with proving to his other partner (let's call her B) that I'm not going anywhere, and I don't think that's a terribly healthy motivation, nor a course of action in which I should make him complicit.

One thing I'll say is that this all has made me wonder if my partner (N) and I might not be in fairly different places regarding our needs right now. I think I may be more invested in the relationship than he is - I'm not in love with him, and he's not my life partner, but our relationship is an important source of happiness in my life, or at least it had been until lately. I'm starting to wonder whether he doesn't just think of me as a friend whom he happens to fuck/play with from time to time. It's not a happy thought, but if there is a fundamental misalignment it's better to figure it out now and decide what to do about it. I know that I don't want to lose him as a friend (I don't want to lose him as a lover and play partner either, for that matter, but the friendship is what's most important to me).
 
Hi RumSodomyLash,

Your plan (to sit tight for now) seems good ... I just hope your partner's really as turned off by his "girlfriend's" cowgirl behavior as he says he is! If he was, I would think he would have broken up with her already. If he's not, he may surprise you by letting this "girlfriend" of his lasso him away from you. So brace yourself, just in case.

He is condoning her behavior by not putting a stop to it, which is why I'm suspicious. Could it be you're just his backup plan? I hope not.

Difficult situation.
With sympathetic regards,
Kevin T.
 
Could Be

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for the reply. It's not consistent with what I know about his character for him to be intentionally using me as a backup plan, but then again, it could be something of which he's not really conscious. Also, I tend to see people about whom I care in the best light possible, so I could just be missing what's right in front of my face. Still, I'm inclined to believe that this is really a case of two people who each think that they can change the other - he seems to think that if he just says "no, I won't be exclusive" enough times that she'll be happy with being poly, and she seems to think that if she just lets him develop enough of an attachment to her, he'll be happy with going mono.

Whatever is or isn't going on, it's certainly making me unhappy, so I'm trying to focus on other areas of and relationships in my life. I've been dating a fair amount lately, and while none of that has evolved beyond BDSM play partnerships yet, I'm trying to make sure that the room is there for that evolution to happen. That means trying to be emotionally present and available for new people, instead of allowing myself to be completely distracted over things with NerfHerder. This is not my best skill, as feeling uncertain about where I stand is something that often leads to me basically obsessing to the exclusion of all else, but I'm trying to treat this as an opportunity to practice refocusing.
 
You could ask to be listed as play partners, or as dom/sub.
 
Yes well, I have become a suspicious old man lately, so NerfHerder's intentions may be perfectly innocuous. And there's not a lot you can do about it anyways, so refocusing sounds like a good idea.
 
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