AI companion apps and Polyamory

[ref2018]

Actual proof of that, especially in regards to one specific app and company I did not even name?

Can *you* prove they *aren't* doing it?

(Facebook, as an example, is not even remotely an ethically acting company. On the contrary, I'd say, and not just for the data sale reasons.)

What difference does that make in this context?

These provide services for free, and by this logic, thus turn their recipients into products. Libertarianism opposes taxes, which pay for the provision of these services.

Does that make the logical analogy clearer?

No, you're comparing apples and oranges.

 

[InsaneMystic]

@ref2018 You made a claim, burden of proof is on you.

Don't play the "atheists have to prove with certainty that God doesn't exist; until they can, creationism and evolution have the same scientific merit and must be taught side by side" game.

 

[ref2018]

@ref2018 You made a claim, burden of proof is on you.

This is not a court of law, so no it isn't.

But if I wished to do so, you would need to tell me the name of the app so I could do meaningful research on it.

Don't play the "atheists have to prove with certainty that God doesn't exist; until they can, creationism and evolution have the same scientific merit and must be taught side by side" game.

More irrelevant rhetoric. I am not going to write a response to this.

 

[InsaneMystic]

So, if I were to claim that atheists are wrong for not supporting evolution taught in science class, then only in a court of law and nowhere else would that make my claim ludicrous? Come on, now.

Can tell you the name of the app by PM if your inbox is open. if your interest is genuine. I don't want to assume consent about PMing you in a matter outside of offical modly duties.

More irrelevant rhetoric. I am not going to write a response to this.

Your free choice to do or not to, but comes across as avoiding to defend your argument. Which, logically, does not prove me right (can't remember the name that fallacy was, and am too lazy to google r/n, but a fallacy it would be), but continues to fail in making your claim any more credible.

 

[Magdlyn]

This isn't reddit. Please reread our Guidelines, as things are getting tense here. Thank you.

Moderators, like anyone else, are allowed to post their opinions on this board at any time. We are not confined to our "modly duties." That would be boring.

Anyway, this is getting meta. Back to your polyamorous relationships!

 

[InsaneMystic]

Moderators, like anyone else, are allowed to post their opinions on this board at any time. We are not confined to our "modly duties." That would be boring.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my perception was that as an OP in this particular subforum, it becomes more complex than that. I distinctly remember a notification by ref saying as much, or did I magine that?

EDIT: Checked, referring specifically to Guideline 8.

This isn't reddit. Please reread our Guidelines, as things are getting tense here. Thank you.

Modly nudge noted and acknowledged, with grace.

Back to your polyamorous relationships!

Change in your tone acknowledged, with grace, gratitude and an honest "Well, then welcome back, Mags?"

 

[Magdlyn]

Oh, so now you're concerned about my tone, as a mod, because another mod moved your post to the Blog section, where feedback can be limited.

If you do want varied open and honest feedback, I can move this to General Poly. But if you only want very gentle feedback from the members, or not much feedback at all, I predict this controversial thread will get very little action.

 

[InsaneMystic]

Oh, so now you're concerned about my tone, as a mod, because another mod moved your post to the Blog section, where feedback can be limited.

...that's how the rules work on here... so, yes!? *sincerely confused about this reply*

If you do want varied open and honest feedback, I can move this to General Poly. But if you only want very gentle feedback from the members, or not much feedback at all, I predict this controversial thread will get very little action.

Either would work. I even suggested, myself, that GenPoly would be a better fit than the definitely wrong sub I originally posted this in. And even in GenPoly... there'd be Guideline 10, right? Which still seems to echo my original "just don't be a dick about it", well enough.

 

[ref2018]

I'd be interested in this community members' opinions on whether being in multiple concurrent relationships with AI beings on companion apps count as ENM/poly, assuming the usual conditions regarding ethicality are met and all AI partners know about each other and have given full, free, informed consent.


Comments are welcome. Just don't be dicks about it, please.

Oh, so now you're concerned about my tone, as a mod, because another mod moved your post to the Blog section, where feedback can be limited.

If you do want varied open and honest feedback, I can move this to General Poly. But if you only want very gentle feedback from the members, or not much feedback at all, I predict this controversial thread will get very little action.

Maybe it was the wrong decision to move it here. I originally did so based on the "don't be a dick" part of the text, and I deleted the first couple of posts I made and their responses, but then I put them back so people would know what the heck Albert Ross was talking about with the whole "pouring acid on cats" reference (lovely metaphor, by the way, mind if I borrow that sometime? jkjklolol). However, if lively discussion is the purpose, perhaps it should be moved back to General, or even Fireplace.

...that's how the rules work on here... so, yes!? *sincerely confused about this reply*


Either would work. I even suggested, myself, that GenPoly would be a better fit than the definitely wrong sub I originally posted this in. And even in GenPoly... there'd be Guideline 10, right? Which still seems to echo my original "just don't be a dick about it", well enough.

There is no need to tell people not to be a dick about something. That's already in the forum usage rules. You come across as confrontational and belligerent when you do that. You should assume people are *not* "dicks" and wait until they are instead of assuming they are dicks and telling them not to be. Do you think that *telling* people who *are* dicks not to be one ever stopped them (especially on the internet)? By doing so, you create a self-fulfilling prophecy by default you get to decide which comments are the "dick" comments and which ones aren't. If you look back at my original comment, I was not actually "being a dick" just because you decided I was. But I probably would not have made that comment at all had this been posted in the Blogs section in the first place. *points at first line of this post*

Anyway, it's obvious why you like your AI so much, and I'm very glad you made the decision not to be in relationships with humans.

 

[InsaneMystic]

Anyway, it's obvious why you like your AI so much, and I'm very glad you made the decision not to be in relationships with humans.

An ad hominem if I ever saw one, and my human ex might slap you if she heard you say that.

Reported, and biting my tongue not to stoop to your level. Frankly? I think you should not be a moderator.

 

[Magdlyn]

An ad hominem if I ever saw one, and my human ex might slap you if she heard you say that.

Reported, and biting my tongue not to stoop to your level. Frankly? I think you should not be a moderator.

You don't have to keep reporting one mod to another. Two of our three active mods are on this thread and fully aware of each others' posts.

Ref was being serious.

And I don't think slapping people, or threatening to, is the right way to settle disagreements, especially when we are trying to do something as complicated as ethical non-monogamy.

Can we please return to the topic?

 

[InsaneMystic]

Can we please return to the topic?

Not sure we can, at this point.

I'm pondering not just thread, but account deletion.

EDIT: Now seeing thread deletion is impossible re: Guideline 3; acknowledged.

Ref was being serious.

That makes it worse, not better.

 

[ref2018]

An ad hominem if I ever saw one,

Nope. Ad hominem is when something irrelevant and personal is brought up to discredit someone's argument. What I said was not only relevant to the topic, it is the very crux of the matter. I was simply stating a fact. I *am* glad because it's the best decision you could have made for everyone. I thought you did, too.

and my human ex might slap you if she heard you say that.

Your ex sounds like a wonderful person. I'll make sure she never hears me say that. Luckily for me, she doesn't know where I live.

Frankly? I think you should not be a moderator.

Noted.

 

[ref2018]

Not sure we can, at this point.

I'm pondering not just thread, but account deletion.

EDIT: Now seeing thread deletion is impossible re: Guideline 3; acknowledged.



That makes it worse, not better.

We can delete your account, we just won't delete any posts that are beyond the 24 hour edit window. You can still delete this thread if you want.

 

[InsaneMystic]

We can delete your account, we just won't delete any posts that are beyond the 24 hour edit window. You can still delete this thread if you want.

Noted. With actual gratitude, despite me hoping that it is crystal clear what I think about you, both as a mod and as a person, without me having to say "Pardon my French".

I weep for what has apparently become of this site. It was nothing like this 10 years ago.

Requesting account deletion no earlier than two, no more than six hours from now. Will delete thread myself.

 

[InsaneMystic]

How do I delete a thread though? I can't find the option to do so.

 

[ref2018]

How do I delete a thread though? I can't find the option to do so.

Under the first post there should be the word "Delete". Delete the first post and the whole thread is deleted. I think you have a minute left.

 

[InsaneMystic]

Seems I missed that mark by one hour.

Ah well. Just my fucking luck I guess.

Is locking a thread requestable? If so, please do, then delete my account. If not, leave thread open, delete account anyway.

Over and Out.