Boundary !

Toy

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I’m from a conservative world! According to some internet survey we have lots of porn site visitors but sex is always a hush hush topic. We are not big on public display of affection. We seldom talk about relationship problems among friends. That we do with our elders to have some advices.

I’m 19. I think I’m polyamorous. But I was told I still have my milk teeth (baby teeth) how I can have a relationship. I am also told in my age it is miracle to be in a monogamous relationship let along polygamous. May be they are right. Nevertheless, I’ve two relationships with two different women.

I met a woman, almost a decade older than me, on the street. Neither of us was looking for any relationship. We just met. A relationship was formed. At the time I was looking for a place to move from my parents’ home. When the relationship was one month old I moved in with her. Let’s call her Pleiades.

She is married and has a set of little twin girls. Her husband is a friendly gentleman. We talk politics and sports all the time. I’m their paying guest, a lodger. Since it is a conservative world we don’t show in any way that Pleiades and I’ve any kind of relationship beside the usual renter and lodger relationship. It is a secret.

When I moved in everything was fine. Then slowly I realized Pleiades and her husband were having financial difficulties. Pleiades’s husband salary is pretty good. But economy is doing better and rapidly booming. The city is full of entrepreneurs. They are driving prices up. More than one third of the salary is usually spent on rent and then the utility bills. Food prices are also up. Within a year food prices have increased three folds. Last year we had two big natural disasters. Farming lands haven’t recovered yet. Foods we had plenty to feed ourselves are now being imported. Ordinary consumers are feeling the pressure. Pleiades’s husband had his salary increased. Actually entire pay scales everywhere were redrawn. But it was inadequate. Pleiades is a housewife. So it was tough for them. They have never discussed their financial situation with me. I didn’t ask either.

When I was fifteen I started my own business. At first, I wanted to see if I could do it or not. Then it was just for fun. Now it generates good money, more than the ordinary salaried persons take home income. So I started to do groceries. If I saw a utility bill in mail box I would pick that up and pay. If they asked I smiled and never asked them for money.

Twins and I get along great. I also buy things for the twins here and there. Sometime I babysit them. I take them to schools. I’ve a bike and the school is on my way to my university. I also chaperone them, go to new restaurants. I also take them to theme parks. We have two just outside of the city. Those are luxury for middle class family.

I also buy things for Pleiades. Dresses I’ve bought for her are pretty expensive. Some of those dresses cost more than her husband’s monthly salary. I’ve also bought gold jewelries. I took her to places which are also very expensive. To be honest, her husband’s income has never come to my mind when I was doing these. I wasn’t showing off. I wasn’t trying show I was better than her husband. I was only trying to make her happy, taking my girlfriend to nice places, doing things she had never done. I was also trying to make my girlfriend’s children happy.

I’ve found Pleiades is good with needle and thread. She has eyes and mind of designer when it comes to clothes. I’d suggested her to open her own boutique shop. She understood it could improve their financial situation. She has never discussed their financial condition but I’ve felt she’ll require loan. Bank only give money to people who has something bank can take away if situation arises. She didn’t tell me but I realized she didn’t have anything put down as collateral. Moreover, Pleiades isn’t much educated. Bank wouldn’t help her. So I offer my money as loan. She opened a boutique shop. I told her to expand and make it bigger. Then she can pay me back.

I help her to manage her shop finance. I stay with her when she deals with her suppliers. I spent a lot of time with her these days. I also spent a lot of time with her children. Sometime I take them to my place of work. Her daughters and I study together. If no one is present those girls starts playing instead of studying. Pleiades is busy with her shop and her husband at her job. I stay with them when I’m available.

Now I’m getting different kind of vibe from Pleiades’s husband. We are still good. But I’ve this strange feeling. Sometime I feel I’m unwanted. Sometime I feel he doesn’t want me around. Our conversation is smaller than before.

I’ve another girlfriend (or something like that). She is twice my age but we are very good friends. It is also physical. She helps me with my tax. From above it seems my government doesn’t like me to pay tax for my business. But the rules are pretty weird. I’ve discovered some laws are written a century ago and I fall under those laws. When I read those laws I feel like I don’t know my own language. So I hired a lawyer. Let’s call her Moon. I know pleasure with business is not a good thing. In my defense, I was strictly professional with her. It was her who started the other things. She is also married and has children older than me.

Moon tells me I’ve crossed the boundary. I’ve invaded Pleaides’s husband’s territory. In his line of work, employees are frightened. Takeover and hostile takeovers have become normal in his sector. Each time a takeover occurs people lose jobs. People over here, traditionally, prefer job security and benefits over better monthly salary. Employees are willing to work for less. His official work time is 10 to 6, six days a week. To beat the traffic he leaves at 8 a.m. At 8 p.m. he is still at his office waiting for his next staff meeting. Moon tells me he is working very hard for his family and I’m the one who is enjoying all the goodies his family can offer. He is pissed.

Now I feel uncomfortable to be intimate with Pleiades when her husband is in home. I try to stay away from her while her husband is in home.

Moon tells me to move out. She tells me to go on dates with Pleiades instead of being her second husband. The problem is no one will rent me an apartment by myself because of my age. My only option is share an apartment with bunch of other guys. Depending on the size of the room I’ll two or three roommates. But I like my private space. I can’t sleep in noise. I can’t move back to my parents’ homes.

Pleiades also doesn’t want me move out. She is like creeping plant. She has covered me very well with her emotion and love in just ten months. She is a very soft hearted woman. Sensitive. Physically very touchy. She loves to talk and laugh. She has shared every bit of her life with me. I believe I love her. It’ll not be easy to stay away from her. But I don’t want to be a problem in her marriage let along the reason of break up. I

My parents are polyamorous. They don’t live together anymore but still officially married. My mother hates both Pleiades and Moon. My mother tells me I shouldn’t have serious relationship at my age. I should be doing what other "children" at my age are doing. I should be doing some stupid things. I should be doing serial relationships instead of parallel. She constantly asks me why I’m with women much older than I am. She believes that is my only problem. She also believes Pleiades is using me for money and Moon is stealing from me. My option should be getting rid of both of them from my life. My father believes I’m destroying my life. He wanted me to go abroad to study. I didn’t. Since then whatever I do he is unhappy.

How polyamorous people do it? How a man treats his girlfriend who is married to another man? No gift policy? Children of his girlfriend are separate from his relationship? Her other aspects of life is none of his business?

The business model I’m using will not sustain forever. For now I’m keeping the model since I’m a student. After that I’ve to change my business model which will take a big chunk of my time. I’ll also have to introduce a wide variety of products which will make me a lot busier. Sometime I wonder about the future of my relationships. What is the longevity of polyamorous relationships?
 
In a conservative world the man is the breadwinner who takes care of his wife. It really is time to shed that notion.

In a poly world none of that should matter. Still, he may have feelings of inadequacy. He needs to work that out himself.

Whatever your father thinks is inconsequential.

Also, beware of taking relationship advice feom someone who might be a girlfriend. Sometimes people have their own agenda.

Poly relationships last as long as any other relationship. Sometimes a long time, sometimes not.

For clarification, a boundary is something a peraons puts on themself. It's not something society dictates.

Interesting economy you have. Theoretically prices should go down when business is booming; goes up when supplies are limited.
 
Hello Toy,

You have an interesting story, thanks for sharing. I just have one question, does Pleiades' husband know that you have an intimate relationship with Pleiades? You mentioned that it is a secret, I didn't know if you included the husband when you said that.

It sounds like people are telling you what to do, I am inclined to encourage you to be the captain of your own ship, as long as you consider your choices carefully. Will Moon break up with you if you continue to live with Pleiades and her husband? How do you feel about that?

I hope Polyamory.com can help.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
My initial reaction is that Moon is telling you to move away from Pleiades out of jealousy, like she wants you all to herself. Does that sound like a possibility?
 
I am sorry you struggle. I could be wrong, but there seem to be at least 3 problems here:

  • The relationship with your parents.
  • The relationship with your live-in poly network. (Pleiades, her husband, the twins)
  • The relationship with Moon.

With your parents? You moved out. You sound like you are going to school and running your business and doing ok enough on your own. They don't have to like how you live your life. They have their own lives to live. If they give you unasked for advice? Or put you down by telling you in various ways that you are "just a kid?"

Tell them to stop that behavior and/or ignore it and do what you want. It's not like they can stop you from living your own life. You have moved out and are busy living it.

Some parents take a long time to see their kids have grown up or they want their kids to stay kids because they themselves don't want to become elders or something. It's not your issue. It's theirs.

The problem is no one will rent me an apartment by myself because of my age.

I don't know how it works where you live. Here in the USA you are considered a child and under the legal custody of a parent or guardian until you turn 18 in most states. So to rent an apartment you have to be 18 or legally emancipated.

At 19? Here you can go off to rent your own place.

What is the age of majority over there? What does it take to be legally emancipated? Would either parent help you emancipate? Or help co-sign the lease for you to be able to live on your own? Or either of your GFs since they are of age? Do you even want your own place or are you happy living where you are -- you just want to clear the air with your meta?


Now I’m getting different kind of vibe from Pleiades’s husband. We are still good. But I’ve this strange feeling. Sometime I feel I’m unwanted. Sometime I feel he doesn’t want me around. Our conversation is smaller than before.

What stops you from asking him "Can we talk? I've notice a different vibe. We talk less than we used to. Are we still ok? Have I stepped on your toes by mistake? Something on your mind? "

Rather than wonder or guess or go with what other people guess (Moon)... ask him himself.

How polyamorous people do it? How a man treats his girlfriend who is married to another man? No gift policy? Children of his girlfriend are separate from his relationship? Her other aspects of life is none of his business?

Those are questions you could ask of Pleiades and her husband. She is your GF. He is your meta.

If you have overstepped bounds without realizing it by gifting so lavishly? Apologize and dial it down to birthday and Christmas or whatever traditions the family observes. And/or a more reasonable budget.

It's ok to ask if you can help pitch in more in the household. But the way you went about it... almost sounds like you taking over or insinuating yourself in their finances. The unasked for gift of you paying their house bills may not be seen as gifts. They may be seen as "being beholden" or "obligated" or "stepping on toes."

I suggest you speak directly to them if you notice a change in treatment/behavior. Is everyone happy with how you participate here? Or do things need to adjust so ALL can be happy? Because it's not just you and your GF living there. There's also husband and kids living there.

The business model I’m using will not sustain forever. For now I’m keeping the model since I’m a student. After that I’ve to change my business model which will take a big chunk of my time. I’ll also have to introduce a wide variety of products which will make me a lot busier. Sometime I wonder about the future of my relationships.

That too is something to talk about with your GF/meta. Is this a long term thing? Or a "just while I'm a student" thing? Or something else?

It sounds like you want to get some clarity.

People here can guess but in the end? The only way to know for sure is to talk to the people you are involved with.

I know pleasure with business is not a good thing. In my defense, I was strictly professional with her. It was her who started the other things.

As for Moon... she may have made advances. But you could have said "No, thanks" and KEPT it professional. You had a choice and you decided to say yes to her advances.

It may be that she's trying to pull you away from your other partner.
It may be that she's right about the husband feeling upset.
It might be both -- she wants you for herself AND she's right about the husband being upset.
Or it could be neither.

What do you want to happen with Moon in the end? Do you want to keep dating both Moon and Pleiades?

Galagirl
 
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Hello vinsanity0. thank you for your reply.


In a conservative world the man is the breadwinner who takes care of his wife. It really is time to shed that notion.

In my world, nowadays, most women are highly educated, get good salaries and can be found at the top of most organizations. Head of the government is a woman, opposition leader is a woman, head of the second most popular political party (didn’t participate in the last election) is also a woman. There are lots of elected officials who are women. But when it comes to family matters women want men to be the breadwinners. A man has to have the capability of a breadwinner of a family before marriage. A man’s level of education has to be equal or higher (preferable) than his potential wife. In the eyes of any woman (talking about my place) these conditions are non-negotiable. I don’t believe that notion will be shed any time soon.


In a poly world none of that should matter. Still, he may have feelings of inadequacy. He needs to work that out himself.

That’s what I thought. I treated my relationship with Pleiades like a monogamous relationship. Apparently, I missed the polyamorous rules & regulation class.

What happens if he can’t? I can’t expect him to leave. She is his wife. Do I have to end my relationship?


Whatever your father thinks is inconsequential.

It’s a cultural thing. To us their opinions are important, although we don’t change our path to satisfy our parents. Opinions of our elders have weight. But fulfilling their wishes is a separate issue. They don’t demand and we don’t feel obligated.


Also, beware of taking relationship advice feom someone who might be a girlfriend. Sometimes people have their own agenda.

I agree. But I was having discussions. She is one of the closest persons I have with whom I share a lot of personal things along with my professional things. We are very intimate not only physically but also emotionally. If I’m that close to someone shouldn’t I discuss what is going on in my life? Time to time she throws advices and I do that, too.


Poly relationships last as long as any other relationship. Sometimes a long time, sometimes not.

Relationship is difficult. I had girlfriends. Monogamous relationships. I failed in all of those. They broke up with me. In monogamous relationships, couple can form one single relationship and go on with it. If changes are required they do it themselves. It is easier since they make one life out of two.

If I were a monogamous, if I wanted to move to another city or country I could ask my girlfriend/wife to move with me. She could do it easily if she wanted to move. But in my case, here, it will be different. Neither Pleiades nor Moon can’t just pack their things and move even if they want. They are married and have children. If they want to move they have to think about different things which are not related to me. Decisions of their husbands will effect my relationships with them.

Polygamous relationship is unknown territory for me. I don’t know how to work with most of the sophisticate parts. I can’t claim I know everything about monogamy either but I’ve few clues.

To me, being a single male is the easiest of all.



For clarification, a boundary is something a peraons puts on themself. It's not something society dictates.

We hide from society, so rules of our societies don’t really apply to us. We don’t care what society thinks.

We set boundaries to make all of us happy. Just like fence. Fences make us all good neighbors.


Interesting economy you have. Theoretically prices should go down when business is booming; goes up when supplies are limited.

It is a different type of economic model. I’m not an expert but I know all the models are created by observing mostly western economies. A lot of western economists, using these models, have forecasted wrongly about Chinese economy year after year for over 30 years. They said Chinese bubble is going to bust. . . now. . . now. . . now. That never happened. . . yet. Is it possible? Yes, everything is possible. Those observations which are used to create those economic models are old. People and their perspectives have changed over the years.

New boom towns outside of western hemisphere don’t agree with those economic assumptions and equations. Thus, stochastic, non-stochastic and qualitative models have hard time working here. In addition to that, exogenous variables are different and some of those are not added to equations at all.

Decade after decade international organizations and donors have insisted on Keynesian Theory and the governments with small economies obeyed while ignoring domestic economists. The result was poor became poorer because of debts and government kept on borrowing from international lenders to pay the old debts. Nobody talked about GDP. That was a taboo topic. The moment I was born I had over US $ 60,000 debt (national debt divided by population). The effects still exist in booming economies.

Business model is also different. Old big businesses run like the corporate you know. But new businesses run like family. I saw in one an employee needed heart surgery. The firm paid it. Another employee in another firm needed cancer surgery. His firm paid it. Those weren’t part of the employment package. I read few business management books here and there but have failed to get the whole picture. So I follow those small firms around me. I, too, run my firm like a family. All my employees are older than me but they treat me like the elder brother. Two of the employees looked completely defeated when I hired them. They have lost their own businesses because of changing business models, technology, substitute products and new thinking. They have wives, children, elder parents and no money. They couldn’t utilize their skills since those were obsolete. I hired them because they were willing to do anything to support their families. One of them needed money for his mother’s insulin. All insulin is imported from Denmark and very expensive. For first few months I bought insulin for his mother. He took those with his head down. His parents raised him properly with love and now at forty he had failed to take care his parents. I’d a very good idea how he felt. It wasn’t part of the employment package and I didn’t show it in my tax papers. He is paying by working as if my firm is his firm. Every firm loses clients for different reasons. Every firm faces tough times. But neither I nor others have let go employees because of tough time. We don’t let go a family member from family even in tough time. My personal income almost quadruple compare to two years ago. In this time we’ve been through political unrests, chaos. I let my employee stay even when I was negative for three consecutive quarters. I’m glad to have my family. We also don’t sell product or service. We provide solution. We don’t do business or trade. We form relationship. We put loyalty over goodwill.

My university friends have rented big trucks and put huge banner on the side. “Warm clothes for poor”. People are donating their old blankets generously. University girls put tables on the sidewalk with a banner “women needs”. People give them sanitary napkins. Body doesn’t care if a girl is poor or not. It demands that essential thing. Two years ago I saw students are going shop to shop to buy petroleum gel using their lunch money. They had pictures of poor children. Those children couldn’t smile because it would hurt their dry skin. This year I see Vaseline has joined. We are no longer begging from international donors. We are helping ourselves with whatever we have. Some of us have bigger wallets and we are helping those who don’t have. We view those under privileged people as future workers, entrepreneurs and consumers. We help government with its social programs because we that’s inadequate. We still borrow from international lenders but this time we dictate the term.

Our debt has shrunk and is still shrinking because of new approach using mostly Monetarist, few bits of Keynesian and some radical steps. From bottom dweller we have become middle income. People have more buyer than before. But it is not enough yet. But we are moving forward. In 2016, GDP was 7.11. Now we are eyeing for 8. The problem is not everything moves at the same pace. Thus people like Pleiades’s husband are feeling the pressure. Their situation will change soon. Hopes and indications are there.

Yes, it is an interesting economy!

Prices don’t go down just because the economy is booming, at least not where I live.

  1. Singapore
  2. Hong Kong
  3. Zurich
  4. Tokyo
  5. Osaka
  6. Seoul
  7. Geneva
  8. Paris
  9. New York
  10. Copenhagen

Cities above and the countries they are in all have great strong sustainable economies and still growing. They are also the top ten most expensive cities in the world.

Thank you again for your reply.


~ Toy
 
Hello Kevin T. Thank you for reply.


I just have one question, does Pleiades' husband know that you have an intimate relationship with Pleiades?

Yes, he does know.

I’ve never had conversation with him about the relationship I and Pleiades have. Pleiades had told me she had conversation with him about relationship before I met him the very first time.

There is no way to hide my relationship with Pleiades from him. Some nights his wife is with me. Sometime I tell him that I and Pleiades (sometime twins come along) are going to some place in the morning and we won’t be back before day after tomorrow. I always invite him to join us. He declines. He has to know.



It sounds like people are telling you what to do

Yes, they are doing it because I want information and experience other have. So I ask questions. I always gather information before any importation decision I make. In my present situation, I’m confused. I’m asking these people because they are polygamous and very close to me.

The problem is no one is telling me if they had faced the similar situation and if they had what they did.

All of them had relationships with married people who were/are married to someone else. Since they didn’t share I didn’t pressure them for information. Back to square one.


I am inclined to encourage you to be the captain of your own ship, as long as you consider your choices carefully.

This sea is unknown to me. It is also weird. Although I’m at the helm I’m open to suggestions. I really don’t want to make wrong choices. So I want to know what other captains have done when they were at my location. Seems like I am on my own.


Will Moon break up with you if you continue to live with Pleiades and her husband? How do you feel about that?

I don’t believe Moon will break up with me if I continue to live with Pleiades and her husband. It wasn’t and isn’t an issue with her. She was tossing an option after I started discussing the situation with her. She only talks about my relationship with Pleiades when I bring it up.

If she breaks up with me I’ll be saddened. She is a very good friend as well as girlfriend.

Thank you again for your reply.


~ Toy
 
Hi icesong. Thank you for reply.

My initial reaction is that Moon is telling you to move away from Pleiades out of jealousy, like she wants you all to herself. Does that sound like a possibility?

I don’t think there is a possibility. Moon doesn’t talk about Pleiades unless I bring the topic. She likes the way I am. She told me she is not going to try to change me. She also told me she loves me because I don't try to change her or control her.

Thank you again for your reply.


~ Toy
 
Hi GalaGirl. Thank you for reply.


I am sorry you struggle.

Nice of you to say that. It is struggle. I don't know what was I thinking before getting involve in polyamorous relationships. It is a very uncomfortable situation.


With your parents? You moved out. You sound like you are going to school and running your business and doing ok enough on your own. They don't have to like how you live your life. They have their own lives to live. If they give you unasked for advice? Or put you down by telling you in various ways that you are "just a kid?"

Tell them to stop that behavior and/or ignore it and do what you want. It's not like they can stop you from living your own life. You have moved out and are busy living it.

Some parents take a long time to see their kids have grown up or they want their kids to stay kids because they themselves don't want to become elders or something. It's not your issue. It's theirs.

My parents worried about me just like other parents. They don’t interfere. Their approach is providing me options and suggestions. In most cases, those seem strong. It is I who started the discussions about my relationships. I don’t know many polygamous people. The people I know they are my parents’ friends and Pleiades and Moon. My own friends don’t know about my relationships. To them I’m monogamous unattached single male. I can’t discuss with them.

I’ve received my parents’ opinions since I asked. I asked because I think they are polygamous (or swingers or something, they aren’t monogamous that part I know). I don’t know what the agreement between my parents is. I’ve never asked and they haven’t told me. My father lives with his girlfriend and my mother lives with her boyfriend. To my best of knowledge, my parents are still legally married. But their respective neighbors know my father’s girlfriend is his wife and my mother’s boyfriend is her husband. Conservative world! Unmarried couple is unacceptable to society.

Yes, I’m a child to them, especially to my mother. It doesn’t bother me. My understanding of my culture is. . . I’ll remain a child till I’ve my own child.



I don't know how it works where you live. Here in the USA you are considered a child and under the legal custody of a parent or guardian until you turn 18 in most states. So to rent an apartment you have to be 18 or legally emancipated.

At 19? Here you can go off to rent your own place.

I’ve friends who live in the USA. They tell me their stories. Yeah. . . sometime those stories make me jealous.


What is the age of majority over there? What does it take to be legally emancipated?

Hmm. The word peculiar is applicable here.

I can vote. I can own properties. I can have my own business. I’m eligible to join law enforcement forcers and military forces. If I commit a crime no judge will sent me to a juvenile correctional facility. I’ll be sent to a jail. If I murder someone a prosecutor can seek death penalty and a judge can approve it.

But I can’t marry. As a male I’ve to be 21 to be eligible to marry else I’ll go to jail, again, not juvenile correctional facility.

As I said, peculiar is the word.



Would either parent help you emancipate? Or help co-sign the lease for you to be able to live on your own? Or either of your GFs since they are of age? Do you even want your own place or are you happy living where you are -- you just want to clear the air with your meta?

When we rent an apartment or house to live we don’t sign any paper. Landowners don’t want any paper. Because government rate is well below than the market rate.

Landowners simply don’t want lone single person. They are afraid that single persons will do some bad things. Pre-marital sex is not acceptable. They fear we might do that in their property. They won’t accept it. But the biggest fear is drugs. But a group of singles are allowed. When a group of young unmarried rents a place they aren’t allowed to bring anyone of opposite gender.

It really is a big problem for singles that don’t have parents. It is also a problem for a single guy who has younger sister and no parents. They are forced to seek help from their relatives so that younger sister can live with relatives and brother can go live with a group of single males.

I’d love to have my own place. Only way that is possible, at present, is to buy an apartment. I don’t want to spend money on investment like that. Very few people are willing to buy a pre-owned apartment. So selling will be difficult for me. Besides I want to build a new home with lawn and other things. I’m keeping my money for different investments.


What stops you from asking him "Can we talk? I've notice a different vibe. We talk less than we used to. Are we still ok? Have I stepped on your toes by mistake? Something on your mind? "

Rather than wonder or guess or go with what other people guess (Moon)... ask him himself.

I and he have never talked about the relationship I and Pleiades have. Not a single word. I feel weird talking about it with him. I also don’t talk to Pleiades about her married life and her relationship with him. It feels weird. It is hard to explain.

I know the best way is to talk to him.
 
If you have overstepped bounds without realizing it by gifting so lavishly? Apologize and dial it down to birthday and Christmas or whatever traditions the family observes. And/or a more reasonable budget.

Lavishly? That’s not my intention.

Ten years ago, if a guy wanted to buy imported jeans, he had only one option. Wrangler. For fragrance Brut was the only option. Nivea was the only body lotion we had. Men went to saloon only to cut hair and shave. Bars had cheap whiskey and beer. No wine. We only had Japanese automobile.

Now a lot of things are available for us both men and women. Most imported things are expensive. People save money for months to get one of those expensive items. But rich had all of those from the beginning. Whenever they went abroad they bought and we only stared.

When I was a toddler, my parents never used diaper for me. Those were luxury to them then. I had my first toy when I started to speak. My parents were able to change their situation. I, too, have worked hard. Now I have buying power. But I’ve not forgotten from where I came from. Financial situation of my parents was worse than Pleiades’s family. My intention wasn’t to show off.

Let me tell you about the expensive gifts I gave Pleiades.

We had two types of dresses. Type I, you were at home. Type II, you go out wearing those. In winter you wear Jacket or sweater on top. You keep one or two expensive clothes and wear those when you are invited somewhere. Now we have varieties of options. Winter collection, Fall collection, Summer collection, Spring collection. Among these collections we have varieties.

We never had anything called evening dress. Now people with large disposable income are buying those. It’s the trend. I hang around with different income groups. My clients come from different income groups. Some of my clients have able to promote themselves to higher income group.

One of my early clients has invited me to his home for cup of tea in the evening. He has become a very influential business leader. He also told me to bring my girlfriend if I wanted. It was his home. I knew his family will be also there. I had some ideas what kind of clothes they wear. I couldn’t bring Moon. She is married and her husband is well known. Pleiades was my choice. So I looked for evening dress. I liked one in Lord & Taylor. I didn’t know what Tadashi Shoji was. I liked the dress and bought it for Pleiades. All I thought it would look good on her and it did. Then I thought that dress would look good with some jewelry. I bought some. The evening was beneficial to me. There were other business owners. My client and they were forming a consortium and they wanted to make a deal with my firm.

When I was sixteen or seventeen most big businessmen ignored me. Only few gave me chances. One of them became a government minister. He personally called me and invited me to his son’s marriage. He also helped me various ways. I bought a Terani from NewYorkDress for Pleiades. I didn’t know what Terani was. Women in those parties wear these kinds of dresses.

Among conservative populace these people are very liberal and rich. They don’t mind pre-marital relationships as long as it is not extra-marital affair. They don’t know Pleiades has a husband. I was invited and I was also told to bring my girlfriend. I did. I dressed accordingly and I bought appropriate dress for my date, Pleiades, for the occasion.

Then I was invited by one of the poly friends of my mother. A poly couple was going to exchange vows. I wasn’t planning to buy anything. Then on Facebook I saw this ad of Jovani. I bought it for Pleiades. Everyone was wearing party dresses there. These are western style dresses. Much more liberal style than the traditional dresses women here wear. All the dresses looked same to me. But they knew that dress Pleiades had on was different. There was no reaction among the men. But all the women were staring at me with a weird look.

Later in the evening my mother told me that dress must have cost more than Pleiades’s husband’s salary. She also told me there was a very good chance it would hurt Pleiades’s husband’s male ego. She advised me not to become a complication in their marriage. Moon was next to me. When I asked her, she agreed with my mother.

I know where Pleiades’s husband works and his role in that organization. I always talk to people here and there. If my guesstimation is correct my mother was correct about the price. She has that dress and those two other dresses along with some other dresses I bought locally in her closet. That closet is attached to her bedroom where her husband sleeps. I’m sure he has seen all of those. When I bought those dresses I didn’t consider his salary. He was not in my mind.

Showing off wasn’t my intention. The places we were invited women wear those kinds of dresses, western style dresses. She would have looked odd in those parties if she wore one of her traditional dresses. I wanted her to look gorgeous. . . special.


It may be that she's trying to pull you away from your other partner.
It may be that she's right about the husband feeling upset.
It might be both -- she wants you for herself AND she's right about the husband being upset.
Or it could be neither.

I don’t think Moon is trying to pull me away from Pleiades. She doesn’t talk about my relationship with Pleiades. She talks when I bring the topic.

I hired her service for my tax. But she looks at the agreements I’m making with new clients since those are much more complicated. She also gives me legal tips. But she only charges for my tax works. She told me she loves me because I don’t try to control her, have her for myself and I’m not like other children of rich people. She likes that I work hard. She likes that I’ve high ambitions. She told me she wants to me to succeed and will help me to reach my goals. She also told me she’ll not leave her husband.

Thank you again for your reply.


~ Toy
 
Sorry, my comments were based on society in my country. Now that I realize where you are from, I'm sure there are big differences in philosophy.

If he can't work it out? Perhaps she will leave him. I do think you should discuss things with them instead of making assumptions. I'm sure he does feel inadequate given the gifts you gave. You might not see the dresses as lavish, but the prices say otherwise. At the very least he must feel envious that he is not able to provide for her like that. I'm sure that is common in any country.

I'm sure we could have an interesting conversation on economics but it would probably boor other members to death.
 
But I can’t marry. As a male I’ve to be 21 to be eligible to marry else I’ll go to jail, again, not juvenile correctional facility.*

You don't want to marry right now, do you? This doesn't seem to apply right now to the current problems.

I’d love to have my own place. Only way that is possible, at present, is to buy an apartment. I don’t want to spend money on investment like that. Very few people are willing to buy a pre-owned apartment. So selling will be difficult for me.*

Could you buy an apartment now, and then rent it out later when you want to move on to a house? Esp with few people wanting to rent to singles on their own and there being singles like you who want/need to rent, perhaps that's an income stream to consider?

I and he have never talked about the relationship I and Pleiades have. Not a single word. I feel weird talking about it with him.

Neither here nor there. You feel weird now not talking to him about it. Basically you have to decide which discomfort is easier to deal with. The “weird vibe of not talking" or “the weird of talking it out.”

When I bought those dresses I didn’t consider his salary. He was not in my mind.

The expensive dresses? You bought them it's done. You didn't think about him at that time.

Moving forward in future? You have to figure out if you want to keep going that unthinking way or think about feelings of the husband. Perhaps clear things up with him if you plan to continue to buy dresses for Pleiades that are a luxury item there that cost more than a month of his salary.

You might also have to talk to Pleiades to see if the expensive purchases are causing her problems with her spouse that you don't know about.

And purchases for the children. If you are doing things like theme parks for them, and their parents cannot afford to do that, how are the parents supposed to answer when the kids ask "Why do mom and dad never get us things like Toy does? Do they not love us?" or similar childish things.

Your intentions seem generous. At the same time though, some people get weird about money. I encourage you to talk to your people so you can be assured everything is fine. Then you no longer have to worry about this:

I don’t want to be a problem in her marriage let along the reason of break up.

Galagirl
 
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