Guys who shave... down there

[Magdlyn]

I have sensitive skin and fast-growing hair, so shaving and hair removal is like torture and a waste of my time.

Same here. In fact, I can scrape and scrape at my pubes with a fresh razor and lots of shaving cream, til my skin is raw, and I just can NOT get a smooth feeling. There is always a stubbly feeling. I don't have coarse hair either so I don't get it.

I just don't shave. And I don't date people who prefer a shaved vulva. Problem solved.

 

[FullofLove1052]

DH's body hair is really fine and almost invisible on his arms and legs, and fortunately he is not hairy. He has no hair on his chest or back, and I am glad. I do not equate hairiness to being a "manly man." He trims down there, but he leaves enough so that it is not prickly, itchy, or an irritant for me.

I hate body hair on myself, so I get it all removed via I2PL. If I do not like something about myself, I reserve the right to change it. I hated the way it felt and looked, so I did something about it. It had nothing to do with the porn industry, because I was and am not in to porn. I started shaving and waxing in my teen years. In my adult years, I moved towards electrolysis and now laser treatments. I just prefer smooth skin from the neck down, and it is not for the purpose of sex. Even if I were single, I would still do the same thing. I choose to include laser removal as part of the things I do that make me feel neat and put together, like getting blow outs, eyebrow waxing, manicures, pedicures, microderm, etc. Those things are for my own comfort and personal maintenance.

It was interesting to read this thread. Do what makes you feel comfortable and to hell with the rest.

 

[london]

The issue with hair removal associated with hygiene is just like the association of circumcision with hygiene: it is more psychological than having any concrete non-disputable basis in scientific reality.

Yes, shaving can help prevent many illnesses or conditions of the genitals, but so can WASHING and WEARING A CONDOM, the same goes for the foreskin that circumcision claims to "help."

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd rather get off my lazy bum and wash my body and avoid having sex with people without a test first, rather than shave or cut off various parts of myself.

Here's an interesting fact: CIRCUMCISION DOES NOT PREVENT STDs NOR HAS BEEN PROVEN TO "REDUCE" STDs (WITH UNDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE FOUND IN A PROPERLY CONDUCTED STUDY). THIS IS THE PART MISSING FROM SO-CALLED "STUDIES."

The two things are not even comparable. I am strongly against elective circumcision without medical indication. The reason I find excess body hair (particularly pubic and underarm) unhygienic is because blood, vaginal discharge, fecal matter, sweat and other substances that leak out of one's pores cling to the hair creating a warm, damp swamp, an ideal ground for bacteria to breed. This is what makes one stink. That is proven scientifically. There is also no way to get your deodorant where it needs to be if you have hair in the way.

 

[amandatwopointoh]

lol-

I have been meaning to talk to my bf about his healthy mane but I just don't know how to gently and politely bring it up! If he would just trim it a bit...

 

[Ariakas]

I have been meaning to talk to my bf about his healthy mane but I just don't know how to gently and politely bring it up! If he would just trim it a bit...

When you come up for air, start pulling hair out of your teeth.

 

[ColorsWolf]

The two things are not even comparable. I am strongly against elective circumcision without medical indication. The reason I find excess body hair (particularly pubic and underarm) unhygienic is because blood, vaginal discharge, fecal matter, sweat and other substances that leak out of one's pores cling to the hair creating a warm, damp swamp - an ideal ground for bacteria to breed. This is what makes one stink. That is proven scientifically. There is also no way to get your deodorant where it needs to be if you have hair in the way.

There's a relatively new invention you may not be aware of called BATHING, it's when you WASH your own body with various substances and water so you DON'T DIE OF DISEASE!

I can't speak for other people, but I like to bathe before it gets to the point where my hair is a breeding ground "swamp" for disease.~

 

[Natja]

There's a relatively new invention you may not be aware of called BATHING, it's when you WASH your own body with various substances and water so you DON'T DIE OF DISEASE!

I can't speak for other people, but I like to bathe before it gets to the point where my hair is a breeding ground "swamp" for disease.

Truth. And in fact, that is why we grow hair in these places. Hair protects you. Removing it is counter-productive.

 

[ColorsWolf]

Truth. And in fact, that is why we grow hair in these places. Hair protects you. Removing it is counter-productive.

Thank you. Reason at last!

You can have as much hair as you want, but PLEASE, PLEASE, if you get involved in things that could cause disease if not washed off: PLEASE WASH YOURSELF, ESPECIALLY YOUR HAIR, ONCE IN A WHILE!

This has been your daily hygiene advisory. Nice day to you.

 

[LovingRadiance]

There's a relatively new invention you may not be aware of called BATHING, it's when you WASH your own body with various substances and water so you DON'T DIE OF DISEASE!

I can't speak for other people, but I like to bathe before it gets to the point where my hair is a breeding ground "swamp" for disease.

You don't say!

Agreeing, agreeing, just doing so while trying not to spit my food and drink all over my laptop.

 

[london]

There's a relatively new invention you may not be aware of called BATHING, it's when you WASH your own body with various substances and water so you DON'T DIE OF DISEASE!

I can't speak for other people, but I like to bathe before it gets to the point where my hair is a breeding ground "swamp" for disease.~

I never said it is a breeding ground for disease, I mentioned bacteria. Over time, days, weeks, perhaps, it could cause disease, but over a day (I like to assume people bathe daily at least), it is a breeding ground for bacteria.

Okay, let's assume a person bathes in the morning, and then throughout the day they are busy working or being a SAHP. Throughout the day, they pee, defecate, and sweat. All this clings to the hair under their arms, between the legs, and bacteria thrives all day, until the evening, when it is reasonable they'd find time for another wash. Believe me, by mid-afternoon, early evening, they don't smell very nice at all.

 

[ColorsWolf]

I never said it is a breeding ground for disease, I said mentioned bacteria. Over time, days, weeks, perhaps, it could cause disease, but over a day (I like to assume people bathe daily at least), it is a breeding ground for bacteria.

Ok, let's assume a person bathes in the morning and then throughout the day they are busy working or being a SAHP. Throughout the day, they pee, defecate, sweat. All this clings to the hairs under the arms, between the legs, and bacteria thrives, all day, until the evening when it is reasonable they'd find time for another wash. Believe me, by mid-afternoon, early evening, they don't smell very nice at all.

Then if they don't like it they could BATHE? Or take a shower after their day is over?

I still don't get your point. Do you mean to say that by shaving all their hair off they could avoid bathing?

Yeah, go ahead shave your head and the rest your body, if you want to.

Trying to argue that less hair equals more cleanliness is logical since you are less dirty because there is less of you to get dirty. But then, you still have skin, so why not get rid of that too? Then the muscles, the organs, and finally the bones? It's only logical.

OR you could maybe WASH yourself when you get "too" dirty and see how that goes. Shaving is a personal preference choice, but your hair is no more a breeding ground for bacteria than other parts of your body, no matter how shaven or without hair they are. Would you cut out your tongue to avoid mouth germs?

AND YES when trying to "justify" non-elective circumcision through using the "hygiene" example THESE TWO THINGS ARE THE SAME, EXCEPT FORESKIN DOESN'T GROW BACK!!!

Don't even get me started on the sexist "non-elective" part of infant circumcision or it's less popular name: FORCED INTENTIONAL INFANT GENITAL MUTILATION.

Furthermore: if the human male genital foreskin had SO many "disadvantages" to it, why is EVERY SINGLE HUMAN MALE BORN WITH A GENITAL PENIS FORESKIN?! and why haven't we evolved or changed to be without it?

Did it ever occur to you or to any of those happy-go-lucky mutilating psychopaths that the human male genital foreskin has NATURALLY BENEFICIAL CHARACTERISTICS THAT PERSISTS IN OUR OWN SPECIES BECAUSE IT IS ADVANTAGEOUS?

Take an anatomy class or google "human male genitalia anatomy" and you might get this: "In male human anatomy, the foreskin is a double-layered fold of skin and mucous membrane that covers the glans penis and protects the urinary meatus when the penis is not erect."

and

"The World Health Organization states that functions of the foreskin include "keeping the glans moist, protecting the developing penis in utero, or enhancing sexual pleasure due to the presence of nerve receptors.""

This last one is the kicker-- "Regular washing under the foreskin was found to reduce the risk of numerous penile disorders."

Again, we can ALL avoid SO many problems just by WASHING!

Seriously, I'm done saying this. Go-- never wash. Shave and mutilate yourself all you want, I don't care. But if you and those religiously brainwashed psychopaths called "doctors" who misinform parents think you can force your way of life upon others, you are all seriously delusional.

 

[london]

Then if they don't like it they could BATHE? Or take a shower after their day is over?

I still don't get your point. Do you mean to say that by shaving all their hair off they could avoid bathing?

But whilst they are at work, commuting from work, mixing with other people, they smell. Yes, I was the one who said the next reasonable time to bathe was in the evening, but all day, they smell of urine, blood, faeces, sweat, uric acid and anything else that seeps out of your pores and clings to the hair under your arms and between your legs. Removing excess hair from these places prevents that, so you stay fresher all day, between showers. Get it now? I don't like people I have to mix with in public to stink. It makes me heave.

And yes, when trying to justify non-elective circumcision through using the hygiene example, THESE TWO THINGS ARE THE SAME, EXCEPT the FORESKIN DOESN'T GROW BACK!

Don't even get me started on the sexist "non-elective" part of infant-circumcision, or its less popular name: FORCED INTENTIONAL INFANT GENITAL MUTILATION.

I have no idea why you keep bringing up circumcision. You can wash under foreskin at least once a day to maintain hygiene, but you can't wash underneath hair, or get your deodorant onto your sweat glands where it needs to be. As you said, hair grows back, and the person who owns the hair consents to its removal, so the two are completely, totally different. And your use of bold just highlights how irrelevant this topic is.

 

[ColorsWolf]

The two things are not even comparable. I am strongly against elective circumcision without medical indication. The reason I find excess body hair (particularly pubic and underarm) unhygienic is because blood, vaginal discharge, fecal matter, sweat and other substances that leak out of one's pores cling to the hair creating a warm, damp swamp - an ideal ground for bacteria to breed. This is what makes one stink. That is proven scientifically. There is also no way to get your deodorant where it needs to be if you have hair in the way.

Bold for emphasis. This is the point I was addressing that you made.

london ~ "But whilst they are at work, commuting from work, mixing with other people, they smell. I was the one who said the next reasonable time to bathe was in the evening. But all day, they smell of urine, blood, faeces, sweat, uric acid and anything else that seeps out of your pores and clings to the hair under your arms and between your legs. Removing excess hair from these places prevents that, so you stay fresher all day, between showers. Get it now? I don't like people I have to mix with in public to stink. It makes me heave."

There are many functions of hair many of us may not even be aware of, such as providing a cushion to reduce friction during mating. The hair all over the body assists in the removal of sweat, if not hindered by clothing (think of "windshield wipers") which helps prevent bacteria from gathering.

You may actually have to wash more often if you remove your hair from most areas of your body, if not all. But hey, that's your choice.

I don't believe people would smell any better if they removed all their hair. In fact, I believe they would smell worse, since they no longer have that hair to help get rid of the sweat.

You want to know what REALLY makes people smell horrible? It's what they put into their bodies. You will smell stronger of whatever you consume in large quantities. For example, I often smell strongly of onions when I sweat, since I love to eat them, even raw.

The second factor is the fact that ignorant humans will wear far too much clothing, covering the MAJOR areas that produce sweat, making the sweat, no matter how hairless that area is, unable to evaporate from the body, because it gets soaked up by the clothing, all because humans refuse all logic and reason and continue to wear clothing when it is not practical.

Believe what you want, and do what you want with your own body, but on this matter we are divided.

 

[london]

There are many functions of hair many of us may not even be aware of, such as providing cushion to reduce friction during mating. Hair all over the body assists in the removal of sweat, if not hindered by clothing (think of "windshield wipers"), which helps prevent bacteria from gathering.

You may actually have to wash more often if you remove your hair from most areas of your body, if not all.

I am talking about removing armpit hair and pubic hair. You have to wear clothes or you get arrested or freeze to death. Sweat stays on hair, bacteria thrive, person stinks. Easy.

I don't believe people would smell any better if they removed all their hair. In fact, I believe they would smell worse, since they no longer have that hair to help get rid of the sweat.

Lets talk armpits. You have hair there that stops your deodorant from getting to your sweat glands, so already your armpits are sweating all day. The hair there traps the sweat in that furry little swamp and allows bacteria to thrive. That creates a stale smell that makes me heave. Having no hair there and using a good deodorant means that your armpits remain dry ,and the bacteria that we all have on our skin is not feeding on your sweat. No smell. No sweat, no smell.

You want to know what REALLY makes people smell horrible? It's what they put into their bodies, you will smell stronger of whatever you consume in large quantities for example: I smell strongly of onions when I sweat since I love to eat them often, even raw.

Lovely.

The second factor is that ignorant humans will wear far too much clothing, covering the major areas that produce sweat, making the sweat, no matter how hairless that area is, unable to evaporate from the body, because it gets soaked up by the clothing, all because humans refuse all logic and reason and continue to wear clothing when it is not practical.

Dude, I live in England. It's fucking cold here. Are you suggesting we go around semi or totally nude? Why don't we just shave our armpits, wear deodorant and wear clothes too? That way we can be clean, not smelly, and warm.

 

[Tonberry]

Now, I totally agrees that stuff gets caught in hair. I've had untouched pubic hair, trimmed, completely waxed, etc., and it's true that during my period some blood gets into the hair. So I wash there. To be honest, I prefer having that obvious sign that I need to wash, because without it, I might not think about it, and it would be gross.

I do wish people didn't think of bidets in such a negative light, though. People here seem to think of it as something that squirts water up your ass, but I've never encountered a bidet that had that function.

Really, it's like a sink. We have sinks because we need to wash our hands more often than our whole bodies. It would be silly to take a bath or shower every time we washed our hands.

Similarly, we really should clean our genitals and asses more often than the rest of our bodies. I personally like the option to wash them after using the bathroom, in the same way that I wash my hands, and I like having the option to wash off during my period without needing to take another shower multiple times a day.

I wish bidets were more commonplace in North America because of that.

But I totally understand that we need to adapt to our life constraints. If it's more practical for you to trim so that when you use public bathrooms, it's less of a mess, because you have to wait until the evening to actually wash properly, that's fine. But that doesn't mean everyone who doesn't shave is dirty.

Some people think of shaving or waxing as something that avoids the hassle of cleaning with water and soap. Others find that shaving/waxing is the bigger hassle for them or, like me, feel dirty just the same when they're shaved.

I mean, I might wipe blood off my labia, but it's never going to clean it. It's taking some off on the paper, and spreading the rest more on my skin. I certainly don't feel cleaner after doing that until I properly wash with at least water, and preferably soap.

 

[london]

Just to clarify, I do not think shaving replaces washing. I don't think you can wash properly, stay fresh without removing excess hair.

 

[RunicWolf]

You can maintain cleanliness with or without hair. Wash every now and again, when it's important, like say, daily showers, before/after sex, and so on. My choice to shave was not based on cleanliness or appearance. My pubic hair is rather thick. Not having it there makes oral sex more enjoyable for my wife.

Also, if your crotch stinks so heavily after one day, that you feel the need to shave to help keep the stink at acceptable levels because it bothers you, I think there are other things at work here.

 

[london]

Piss and blood stink. I am often aware of people who are menstruating or pissy when in an enclosed space with them. Someone just reminded me that I am particularly sensitive to smells, and maybe that's why I feel so strongly about it. But either way, I can smell when a woman is on her period. I can smell when she has residual piss clinging to her. And I can smell people when they have been sweating all day and now smell stale. It all makes me heave.

 

[ColorsWolf]

Now, I totally agrees that stuff gets caught in hair. I've had untouched pubic hair, trimmed, completely waxed, etc., and it's true that during my period some blood gets into the hair. So I wash there, and to be honest, I prefer having that obvious sign that I need to wash, because without it, I might not think about it, and it would be gross.

I do wish people didn't think of bidets in such a negative light, though. People here seem to think of it as something that squirts water up your ass, but I've never encountered a bidet that had that function.
Really, it's like a sink. We have sinks because we need to wash our hands more often that our whole bodies. It would be silly to take a bath or shower every time we wash our hands.
Similarly, we really should clean our genitals and asses more often than the rest of our bodies. I personally like the option to wash them after using the bathroom, in the same way that I wash my hands, and I like having the option to wash off during my period without needing to take another shower multiple times a day.

I wish bidets were more commonplace in North America because of that.

But I totally understands that we need to adapt to our life constraints. If it's more practical for you to trim so that when you use public bathrooms, it's less of a mess, because you have to wait until the evening to actually wash properly, that's fine. But that doesn't mean everyone who doesn't shave is dirty.
Some people think of shaving or waxing as something that avoids the hassle of cleaning with water and soap. Others find that shaving/waxing is the bigger hassle for them or, like me, feel dirty just the same when they're shaved.
I mean I might wipe blood off my labia, but it's never going to clean it. It's taking some off on the paper, and spreading the rest more on my skin. I certainly don't feel cleaner after doing that until I properly wash with at least water, and preferably soap.

I 100% agree, especially with the part I put in bold. I do not understand how people can wipe themselves after defecating and think they are clean. In fact, many people from the Middle East often view Americans' cleaning habits as filthy and disgusting because of this very reason. Dry wiping is a poor substitute for washing with soap and water also, because paper is considered holy, and to wipe your ass with it is considered blasphemous. Honestly, many of the things Americans think of as 'logical' I think are completely the opposite, and I myself am an American born and raised.

Piss and blood stink. I am often aware of people who are menstruating or pissy when in an enclosed space with them. Someone just reminded me that I am particularly sensitive to smells, and maybe that's why I feel so strongly about it but either way, I can smell when a woman is on her period. I can smell when she has residual piss clinging to her. I can smell people when they have been sweating all day and now smell stale.

I know the many benefits and disadvantages of having a highly sensitive sense of smell. I've learned to expose myself more and more often to a variety of smells, both horrible and wonderful. By doing this, I have slowly, over the years, diminished the number of things I find disgusting and that make me want to vomit. In a world full of horrible disgusting and wonderfully awesome smells, you almost have to train yourself to be able to withstand even the extremist of smells. It is definitely far from easy, but it not impossible.

Trying to change the world you live in all at once is almost impossible. But learning how to toughen yourself up to its many cruelties, including smells, is something you can work towards, if you have the resolve to.

 

[ColorsWolf]

I am talking about removing armpit hair and pubic hair. You have to wear clothes, or you'll get arrested or freeze to death.

Dude, I live in England. It's fucking cold here. Are you suggesting we go around semi or totally nude?

I'm talking practicality-wise, meaning when it is too hot to wear clothing, or when it is not too cold outside, or in a temperature-controlled environment. Yes, unfortunately most humans in this millennium are far too brainwashed by their own stupidity to see logic and reason, and they would be much better off, in many respects, by discarding their useless sentiments of 'shame' and self-hatred, in my opinion.

Fortunately, there seems to be some hope for the species with the rising numbers of those able to see the logic of being only clothed when practical and logical, and they have made great strides in securing safe havens for others who have broken free of the brainwashing of the society they were born into, and finally see a small bit of logic in an illogical human-created world. They often label this behavior as 'nudism.' It is not a new concept or way of living. It is simply is a return back to the way we are born, before the brainwashing of moronic and illogical societies' way of 'thinking,' if they can even call it that.