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Wishfuldreamer

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Hi everyone. Thought I'd register and come say 'hi' having been lurking reading other threads for a month or so now, having come across the forum through reading everything i could about polyamory.

Where to start? I can't say I'm one of those people who ever thought of themselves as poly, or have always 'known' it about themselves...but I definitely have always been flirtatious and have had to 'control' myself. To an extent I found this frustrating, but also loved my (now ex...more on that in a minute) partner, so told myself that this was the trade off you make. Now, I'm not so sure about that, and am feeling pretty liberated.

So, to rewind. I was in a monogamous relationship for 13 years, but it was a slightly unconventional relationship in the sense that we lived together for years 2 and 3, and then apart while I moved to a succession of different cities in years 4-13. For me, and for him as well, i think, that always worked. We liked our independence and our own space. But i think that the distance also let us leave some of the issues in our relationship fester - particularly around effective communication and emotional communication and intimacy. Also some sexual frustration on my part around my kinks,which i generally just let go, but the issue surfaced a couple of times. The first time i even considered an open relationship was about 8 years ago, when a friend of mine started going to sex and kink clubs and invited me to join her. My ex (let's call him Fred) wasn't happy about the idea - and wasn't up to the communication of the issues, so I just let it drop.

More recently, things became very difficult between us for a lot of reasons, which I won't bore you with here. It wasn't really to do with the fact that the relationship was mono, but more to do with the way we communicated and the love and affection that was by this time desperately missing. I am ashamed of myself for this, but I cheated with a friend (let's call him Matthew), but the experience was like someone hit me over the head with a frying pan in terms of realising how unhappy i was. Reading back over my diary in the run-up to May, you can see that it's there, but i was hiding from it.

Matthew went away for two months, and we agreed no contact, while i tried to repair things with Fred. 13 years is a long time. Sadly, all attempts to talk to Fred about how unhappy I felt were shut down - he is terrified of confrontation and any suggestion of discussion was met with asking me why i was trying to wreck our relationship. I didn't tell him about Matthew - we had had a 'if you fuck up, but don't want to leave me, don't tell me because i can forgive but not forget' policy in place for years. This had already been tested once, a few years ago when I was sure he had had an affair with a co-worker (he says he didn't...but the fact that it didn't actually bother me at the time, when our relationship was still good, made me start questioning how i felt about monogamy). So i tried to refocus on my relationship, but felt that i was doing all the emotional heavy lifting and went to therapy. Where I realised that it just was never going to work...I wanted something he couldn't give me.

We ended things formally at the beginning of September...at which point he pleaded to go to therapy, to talk things through, anything. By which point it was too late for me. I'd already done a lot of emotional processing on my own, and knew the relationship was over for me.

I promised myself at that point, that I wouldn't engage in anything with Matthew (who is in an open relationship - his partner of 6 years is Masha), even though I was still very strongly attracted to him, because I felt like it would be 'leaving' Fred for him, and it made it not a mistake, but an affair. however, humans are weak sometimes, and about six weeks later in early october, we were the last ones left on a work night out, and went back to mine. We met again a couple of weeks later, to discuss whether we wanted to make it something more 'formal', rather than just hooking up every time we got smashed. Now, we have a sort of arrangement which is somewhere between a FWB and a relationship - it is more than just sex, but a resistance on getting to emotionally involved. I am ok with this thus far - I like him a lot, but I also think that he has some complications of his own around how he engages with his emotions, so I'm happy to keep things a bit at arms length, and resist labels at the moment.

In the meantime, I decided to actively explore the non-monogamy that had always interested, and dipped my toe into online dating. I went on a few dates, but really clicked with one guy (let's call him Robert). Robert and I have a much more open communication than with Matthew. With the latter, I'm able to be fairly open, but it takes some time - there feels like there's more unspoken there, because there's maybe more to lose, in the sense that we've been friends for a number of years (and we also work together...forgot to mention that) and it does feel like we're dancing around a number of 'truths' sometimes. With Robert, I can be completely open about how I feel. He is also poly - he has another partner (Felicity) that he's been seeing for a year (not a nesting partner...both of them identify as solo-poly). I like him a *lot*. We really click, the sex is amazing, but so is just hanging out. It feels like it got emotionally close quite quickly, but I feel ok about that. We see each other about once a week at the moment (we live in different cities around an hour apart).

So...that's my story. At the moment, I feel that I am in a good place. I haven't found that jealousy has been an issue - but I wonder if that's because both other partners were on the scene first - and I knew Masha well beforehand. I have two bits of nerves: the first is that I am only ok with all of this at the moment because I have not long come out of a long term mono relationship and this is effectively just me on the rebound and not looking for any real commitment. I worry that I will end up hurting Robert in particular, if i realise I can't cope with the poly aspect of it - if it is only 'ok' at the moment because I am 'single' and not looking for anything 'serious'.

My second worry is that I'm only ok with the existence of Felicity, I haven't met her and when Robert sees her, I'm fine with that, because it's sort of an 'out of sight out of mind' kind of thing. That my feeling of being fine - even happy that he gets to see her and have fun - is just me kidding myself. It doesn't feel like it, but maybe it is? What i think I will struggle more with, is when the new 'me' enters the picture - when he meets someone else who occupies his mind and excites me as much as I do at the moment. I think i will feel the pull of jealousy more then.

Anyway...that's me. I'm sure I'm making all kinds of mistakes...but there you go. Hello :)
 
Hi, Wishfuldreamer! Welcome to the board.

I don't know if you want any feedback right off the bat about your relationships and how you're viewing and dealing with them, of if just putting it out there was good enough for now.
 
Hi Magdlyn - and thanks for the welcome. With regards my posting intent...good question. I guess I understood it as the ‘done thing’ to introduce oneself, and then it became a bit of a stream of consciousness ramble. Happy to hear your thoughts if you have them, but I means consciously seeking them :)
 
Hi Magdlyn - and thanks for the welcome... I understood it as the ‘done thing’ to introduce oneself, and then it became a bit of a stream of consciousness ramble. I'm happy to hear your thoughts if you have them, but I [wasn't] consciously seeking them.

This is a board for discussing our polyamorous relationships, and people here are happy to give feedback and information, as well as emotional support. Quite often, if a situation is spelled out like this in an intro, a few people will pop in to offer advice.

However, if you have specific questions or concerns, you can start a thread in the Relationships section. On the other hand, if you just want to vent and journal, and only get feedback if you ask for it, we have a section for that as well. Sometimes advice is nice, but other people like to just write out their issues, finding that is enough to help clarify them.
 
I edited and paraphrased a bit to save space and clarify your OP.

I can't say I'm one of those people who ever thought of themselves as poly, or have always 'known' it about themselves. But I definitely have always been flirtatious, and have had to 'control' myself. I sometimes found this frustrating, but I also loved my (ex) partner, so I told myself that this was the trade-off you make. Now, I'm not so sure about that, and am feeling pretty liberated.

I was in a monogamous relationship for 13 years, but it was an unconventional relationship. We lived together for years 2 and 3, and then apart, while I moved to a succession of different cities, in years 4-13.

... We liked our independence and our own space. But I think that the distance also let us let some of the issues in our relationship fester, particularly around effective communication, emotional communication and intimacy. I also had some sexual frustration around my kinks.

The first time I considered an open relationship was about 8 years ago, when a friend of mine started going to sex and kink clubs, and invited me to join her. My ex (Fred) wasn't happy about the idea, and wasn't up to the communication issues, so I just let it drop.

More recently, things became very difficult between us... It wasn't to do with the fact that the relationship was mono, but more to do with the way we communicated, and the love and affection that was now desperately missing.

... I cheated with a friend (Matthew). The experience was like someone hit me over the head with a frying pan, in terms of realising how unhappy I was. Reading back over my diary, [I could] see that it's there, but I was hiding from it [from myself].

Matthew went away for two months, and we agreed to no contact, while I tried to repair things with Fred. All attempts to talk to Fred about how unhappy I felt were shut down. He is terrified of confrontation, and any suggestion of discussion was met with him asking me why I was trying to "wreck our relationship."

I didn't tell him about Matthew. We had had a policy in place: 'If you fuck up, but don't want to leave me, don't tell me, because I can forgive, but not forget.' This had already been tested once, a few years ago, when I was sure he was having an affair with a co-worker. (He says he didn't).

I tried to refocus on our relationship, but felt that I was doing all the emotional heavy lifting, and went to therapy. I realised that it was never going to work. I wanted something he couldn't give me.

We ended things formally at the beginning of September, at which point he pleaded to go to therapy, [to do] anything. But it was too late.

I promised myself that I wouldn't engage in anything with Matthew (open relationship, partner Masha), because I felt like it would be 'leaving' Fred for him, which made it not a mistake, but an affair. However, about six weeks later, in early October, we were the last ones left on a work night out [drinking heavily], and we went back to my place [had sex].

We met again a couple of weeks later, to discuss whether we wanted to make it something more 'formal,' rather than just hooking up every time we got smashed. Now, we have a sort of arrangement which is somewhere between FWBs and a relationship. It is more than just sex, but with resistance to getting emotionally involved. I am OK with this, thus far. I like him a lot, but I also think that he has some complications around how he engages with his emotions, so I'm happy to keep things at arm's length.

I went on a few dates [with others] and clicked with one guy. Robert and I have much more open communication than I do with Matthew. I'm able to be open with Robert, but it feels like there's more unspoken with Matthew. There's more to lose with Matthew. We've been friends for a number of years. We work together. It feels like we're dancing around a number of 'truths.'

With Robert, I can be completely open. He is also poly. He has another partner (Felicity) that he's been seeing for a year (both of them identify as solo-poly). I like him a *lot.* We really click, the sex is amazing, but so is just hanging out. It feels like it got emotionally close quite quickly, but I'm OK about that. We see each other about once a week. We live in different cities, an hour apart.

At the moment, I feel that I am in a good place. I haven't found that jealousy has been an issue, but I wonder if that's because both other partners were on the scene first. I know Masha well too.

Maybe I am only OK with all of this at the moment, because I just came out of a long term relationship. [Is this] just me on the rebound, not looking for any real commitment? I worry that I will end up hurting Robert if I realise I can't cope with the poly aspect of it. [Is it] only OK at the moment because I am 'single' and not looking for anything 'serious?'

[Maybe] I'm only OK with the existence of Felicity, because I haven't met her. And when Robert sees her, I'm fine with that, because it's an, 'out of sight out of mind,' kind of thing. [Maybe] my feeling of being fine, even happy, that he gets to see her and have fun, is just me kidding myself. What I think I will struggle more with, is when [another new person] enters the picture; when he meets someone else who occupies his mind and excites me as much as I do at the moment. I think i will feel the pull of jealousy more then.

These are good healthy things to be thinking about, and preparing yourself to face. Since you're new to poly, some things can't be determined until you actually go through them. It's hard to predict how we will respond to brand new experiences! But it's good to prepare as much as possible, and feel willing to do any work necessary.

It's good you've got a therapist. She might come in handy as you proceed in your new directions.

It sounds like Matthew might be too much like your ex, with his emotional and communication issues.

Robert might be a better bet.

Yes, it can be easier to deal with partners who have one other established partner as part of their package, and harder to deal with it if they are still dating and might meet another new person, and fall into NRE with them. It can be done though. But, also, if you and Robert have NRE, he may be fine with not seeking other partners for a while. It can be difficult to be interested in dating when you've got the la-la's for a new person.

Good luck on your journey! It was brave to leave your ex after so much water under the bridge. I hope you'll be able to live your authentic life now, whatever that may turn out to be.
 
Greetings Wishfuldreamer,
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Thank you for sharing your story, it sounds like you have gone on quite a journey to get to the poly world where you are now. While you could run into problems in the future, and you are aware of some of those potential problems, the situation right now is good, and I would encourage you to enjoy it for what it is, if problems do arise in the future, you can cross that bridge when you get to it. In the meantime just read and learn as much about poly as you can. Continue to explore Polyamory.com, and let us know if you have any questions. It's great to have you with us!

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I edited and paraphrased a bit to save space and clarify your OP.

Thanks...it was a bit of an essay in the end!

These are good healthy things to be thinking about, and preparing yourself to face. Since you're new to poly, some things can't be determined until you actually go through them. It's hard to predict how we will respond to brand new experiences! But it's good to prepare as much as possible, and feel willing to do any work necessary.

yeah, that's kind of been my thinking. i don't want to catastrophize, but equally feel like i should prepare myself for some things that might be bumps in the road. though, no doubt what actually causes me problems will be something i haven't thought of!

It sounds like Matthew might be too much like your ex, with his emotional and communication issues.

Robert might be a better bet.

to be honest, matt is a million miles better than my ex. coincidentally, after i posted this, we met up for a date after two weeks apart, and he was actually pretty open about having missed me, which was nice to hear. he's definitely not quite as skilled as robert, but robert is particularly good at it I think. at least in my experience of guys i know (platonically or otherwise). i think for matt and i, it's some of the negotiation of our existing relationship that's the more difficult thing, rather than his communication skills. at the moment, though, i don't feel the need to push him, or to demand anything more from him than he's already giving me.

Good luck on your journey! It was brave to leave your ex after so much water under the bridge. I hope you'll be able to live your authentic life now, whatever that may turn out to be.

thanks for taking the time to read my epic post and to reply. and thanks for the luck - i don't know that it was brave, and i feel sad that I maybe didn't do it as sensitively as i would have liked. i wish he wasn't so hurt and heartbroken. i feel so much freer, and so much happier now - i just wish it didn't have to be at the expense of his happiness. I'm going to carry some guilt over that for a while.
 
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