Me, the know-nothing

Mastinaro

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Please be kind with me. I am a jealous, egotistic person. I know nothing about poly. I have done wrong things, and I am still doing some. But I want to learn. I want to explore. I want to change.

My wife and I had a decade of mono, happy marriage. We have been in fact the poster children for marriage: loving, caring, understanding, supporting... We've had a very beautiful relationship.

But as years passed, our sexual needs started to diverge. I am in my early 50's and her in her early 40's. Previously, we had a very good sex life. But her appetite waned. I tried and tried to entice her into trying different things, or even just going back to doing it 2/3 times a week, at no avail. We stagnated in a once-a-week-or-so morass that made me very unhappy. I became a chronic masturbator. I was bitter. Until she told me to get a lover -but hide it from her.

I gave this idea a lot of thought. I am not into sex without emotions, so I needed someone I could love. And it came to happen that the woman I felt attracted to, and loved as a friend, is my wife's best friend. So after quite a bit of time we became secret lovers. I loathed the "secret" part, but was happy otherwise. I felt love for both of them, and felt very loved by both of them. My sex life was finally fulfilling again -it even became better with my beloved wife.

And then, bang! I discovered my wife also had a secret lover for the last month. She had been hiding it in any way she could, but I found out by chance. She told me that she loved me to bits, that she wanted to stay married to me no matter what, but she couldn't guarantee stopping the affair. Honestly, my first reaction was one of relief, and I proposed keeping our marriage intact, and also keeping our lovers. She wholeheartly agreed, but told me her affair wouldn't last a couple of months anyway. That it was just sex. We discussed safer sex, etc. We were happy for some hours.

And then I started crying my eyes out. I felt a pain akin to someone near and dear dying. I cannot begin to describe the hurting I felt.

I think a lot of my pain has to do with the lying. I honestly think that if she had come forward and told me she wanted to have sex with another man, we could had come to something given some time. But I can't really know, since that did not happen.

I know a lot of my pain has to do with her choice of lover: a toxic ex BF that has too many bad things to list, including some very nasty drug habits. I honestly think of him as a walking STD risk. I am also monumentaly jealous of him, because I always knew that their sexual rapport was excellent. And, let's call a spade a spade, has a large penis which she loves. I am quite average in that category.

Then two parallel things happened: I told her I thought I could not go on with our deal given my extreme feelings about her choice of lover (which I had not foreseen), and that said lover hightailed as soon as he knew I knew, never to be heard again in the two months that have elapsed (See why I dislike him so much?).

So now we are in a V. The three of us spend wonderful, loving times toghether as friends, and apart from some ocassional pang, the girls aren't jealous at all. But I am. I fear the idea that my wife will eventually get a BF. I oftentimes mull about her affair. I have become controlling about her whereabouts and who she is with. I resent when she flirts with someone else. I am now a possesive person -even if she is sharing me with her best friend. I am not sure if I can face her having a BF.

And here, ladies and gents, is where I need to ask you: Do you think I am just traumatized by the lying and cheating, and could become poly as a heal, or am I just a jealous SOB? I need to tell you straight away my feelings: I feel like an egotistical bastard, as I want to keep my GF but don't want my wife to have a BF. At least for the time being. I know that is terribly unfair, but those are my honest wishes. I want to change, but we still don't know if I should make a slow transition towards poly, go back to monogamy, or just concentrate on healing my relation with the wife first. The trouble with the last two options would be hurting GF, which neither my wife or I want to do. Nor do I want to separate from her. Both wife and I are on the fence.

Please, if you could gently guide me, I would be very gratefull. I feel I am lost on uncharted waters.
 
The OP seems to have been accidentally banned during a spam sweep. Hopefully they will be reactivated soon.
 
Is your wife actively wanting to find another partner? If she's not, then I don't think that this is something that you need to rush. It sounds to me like part of what needs to happen is just a focus on healing. Discuss why she felt the need to seek out another partner, and what you think that would look like if that had been sought out in a consensual way where you were informed of what was going on in her life and knew it was happening. Given some time, and feeling like you would understand the process, you might find that your jealousy would decrease and you feel ready.

And you may never feel 100% ready given the breech in trust, but you might get a point where you believe the feels are manageable enough that you're both ready to move forward. And if/when that happens, take your time. No rush. It can start out with just simply looking at online profiles. Or a coffee date. Ultimately, it's your wife's decision as to whether she wants to date other people or not and all you can do is decide how you will react to that. But there's no need to react to something that hasn't even happened yet.

Most people who open their relationship sucessfully do it after a long period of talking. Reading materials about opening relationships, managing feelings, communicating, and then just talking, talking talking. You guys skipped that step in the past, but maybe now is the time to go back to it. Of course, if there's no feeling of urgency... maybe first you just need some time to be what you are now: a V, and heal.
 
Hello Mastinaro,

What if your wife picked out a respectable man for a boyfriend, and asked for your okay before proceeding? Would that affect your feelings about her having a boyfriend? What would you say to her?

For now, it seems that the most important thing to do is to learn more about poly. This forum is a good place to do that; also check out Poly FAQ.

Continue to post your thoughts, questions, comments, and concerns; we'll continue to respond. Sorry you got caught in that spam sweep, hopefully you will be reactivated soon.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Thanks a lot for your kind replies, folks. I know I will be pestering you with lot of questions as time goes bye.

BTW, thankfully my ban was promptly removed!
 
I honestly don't know what would I have done if my wife had asked right away about having a BF. I can only guess that at first I would have tried to talk her out of it. Probably after a lot of talking, I would have accepted it if certain criteria was met, mainly regarding higyene and discretion.

But the honest truth is I don't know.
 
Well, so much for polyamory. I just found out that my wife is going on with her affair behind my back. Polydivorce will be more like it.
 
Oh wow Mastinaro!:( So the BF didn't really ditch her? She just decided to try to go back to a lying cover up? I am sorry, it must be awful. I hope she hasn't been doing anything else secretly. Take good care of yourself as you deal with this.

Leetah
 
Hi Mastinaro,

Sorry your wife went behind your back like that. I hope you won't have to get divorced. :(

Why do you think she did it?
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Thanks for your kind words, folks.

I just can't begin to fathom why she did it. I guess the attraction is too strong, and she isn't honest enough to say it. And that she didn't care for my pain.

She says she hid the affair to protect me, which is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

It also pains me to say that their whassap chat is completely full of lies. She lied about anything and everything regarding her daily life. I am flabbergasted-
 
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Hi, Mastinaro,

I'm sorry to hear about your wife's deception. Do you think it's possible her interest in sex with you waned because she'd been having an affair with this man (or others) in secret for a lot longer than you suspect, and this is why she was not interested in trying new things with you or having more regular sex? Perhaps her guilt about this was the reason behind her telling you to find yourself a lover in the first place.

Additionally, do you think your (arguably unreasonable) jealousy in the light of her first revelation, combined with your strong disapproval of her choice of lover, may have been the reason she chose to deceive you a second time, and tell you her lover/old flame had deserted her when in fact they are still involved?

As odd as it may seem, it's just possible that, on some level, she really believed she was "protecting" you from further pain by hiding her continuing affair with a man you don't trust or think is good enough for her. She may have felt like you were judging her and her partner too harshly.

She also may have believed you were being unfair to her, since you yourself had taken a lover in secret, who turned out to be her best friend - yet when you discovered SHE had a lover of her own, you had a meltdown and behaved in a possessive, overtly jealous manner, stating you couldn't handle her having another male lover.

In any case, she has lied to you in a major way not once, but twice already (that you know of). IF you still love her very much and do not want to end the marriage, do you think she'd be willing to go to couple's counselling with you? At the very least, I think you both need to seek individual therapy to get to the bottom of what is going on in your marriage that is causing the emotional/sexual disconnect (from each other) while being attracted to and willing to engage in other relationships.

If the trust is gone and the love/attraction to each other is no longer strong (at least on her part, towards you), it might be for the best if you part ways and simply continue your relationships with your respective lovers. In time, it may be possible to transition your relationship to a platonic friendship.
 
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Re (from Mastinaro):
"She says she hid the affair to protect me, which is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard."

I am thinking she hid the affair to protect herself.
 
Hi, Mastinaro,

I'm sorry to hear about your wife's deception. Do you think it's possible her interest in sex with you waned because she'd been having an affair with this man (or others) in secret for a lot longer than you suspect, and this is why she was not interested in trying new things with you or having more regular sex? Perhaps her guilt about this was the reason behind her telling you to find yourself a lover in the first place.

Additionally, do you think your (arguably unreasonable) jealousy in the light of her first revelation, combined with your strong disapproval of her choice of lover, may have been the reason she chose to deceive you a second time, and tell you her lover/old flame had deserted her when in fact they are still involved?

As odd as it may seem, it's just possible that, on some level, she really believed she was "protecting" you from further pain by hiding her continuing affair with a man you don't trust or think is good enough for her. She may have felt like you were judging her and her partner too harshly.

She also may have believed you were being unfair to her, since you yourself had taken a lover in secret, who turned out to be her best friend - yet when you discovered SHE had a lover of her own, you had a meltdown and behaved in a possessive, overtly jealous manner, stating you couldn't handle her having another male lover.

In any case, she has lied to you in a major way not once, but twice already (that you know of). IF you still love her very much and do not want to end the marriage, do you think she'd be willing to go to couple's counselling with you? At the very least, I think you both need to seek individual therapy to get to the bottom of what is going on in your marriage that is causing the emotional/sexual disconnect (from each other) while being attracted to and willing to engage in other relationships.

If the trust is gone and the love/attraction to each other is no longer strong (at least on her part, towards you), it might be for the best if you part ways and simply continue your relationships with your respective lovers. In time, it may be possible to transition your relationship to a platonic friendship.

A lot of food for thought there, thanks a lot.

We've already been to two couple's therapists at no avail. With the first one we only lasted two sessions before I decided to call it off- the therapist was disrepectfull to me. With the second one we lasted about 12 sessions, and then my wife decided that we were making no headway. I agreed.
 
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Additionally, do you think your (arguably unreasonable) jealousy in the light of her first revelation, combined with your strong disapproval of her choice of lover, may have been the reason she chose to deceive you a second time, and tell you her lover/old flame had deserted her when in fact they are still involved?

For the sake of brevity, I omitted something important: Lately I was quite suspicious that she was still seeing her BF. I at least 3 occasions I told her "I know you were with him, and I accept it as long as we can talk it out and you make efforts to stop it. But please come clean. I am already resigned that you are doing it".

So it was not like there's gonna be this big fight if she told the truth. But she always denied it.
 
What will you do now?

We are waiting for the end of the hollidays to lawyer up. She is looking for an apartment to rent. I asked her to move out of my bedroom. I also put on some restraints about money, as I discovered she is spending a lot of our family money in the guy. Including cocaine. :mad:
 
We are waiting for the end of the hollidays to lawyer up. She is looking for an apartment to rent. I asked her to move out of my bedroom. I also put on some restraints about money, as I discovered she is spending a lot of our family money in the guy. Including cocaine. :mad:

:eek:

Nope, nope, nope. OUT! The last thing ya need is the possibility of drugs & drug use in your house or around your kids.
 
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Your wife lacks the two cornerstones of healthy relationships, honesty and a commitment to act with kind intentions. Enlist the best friend against her. Divorce court is dirty, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Sorry for your troubles.
 
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