Metamour problems

AtlantaBunny007

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I'm new to this site, I'm pretty embarrassed that I am even posting this for all to see but I am at a complete lose. This is rather long but I'll try to give the story in detail without length. I'm hoping someone out there has maybe gone through something similar and can offer some advice or if anyone could point me in a direction that would be wonderful.

Ryan and I have been together as primary partners for 4 years. We have a great little family as well as we've been living together for 3. About 10 months ago while I was pregnant he found someone whom he liked. I had gotten a very bad feeling from this person so I tried to say pretty far away. Fast forward about a month and she had publicly said that she was hoping she could break us up. (MAJOR RED FLAG CONFIRMING MY UNEASY FEELING ABOUT HER). I brought it to Ryan who just shrugged it off and said no one can do that but you or I. Things continue to escalate, she calls me names, talks just absolutely horrible about me, tells people that she's his wife, gets tattoos as "tribute" for him, has brought mine and Ryan's oldest child into the fued. She uprooted her life and moved over an hr and a half from her job to be closer to him because he "wasn't seeing her enough" (that was her exact word for word reasoning). I have made my stance very well known that I cannot stand this female and that I would be thrilled for her to be completely removed from his life permanently. In the beginning of our relationship we had a veto power agreement under terms of if our relationship was ever negatively effected for a long period done on purpose by someone else that they would no longer have contact with either of us. He no longer will honor that saying "I never heard HER directly say any of these things" this is leaving me beyond frustrated and angry.

I don't want to fix anything with this female, to me she is the lowest form of person for wanting and admitting to wanting to break up a very established family. She is no longer allowed at our house, around our kids, or anywhere that we could possibly run into each other. Now her having moved almost next door has made this very stressful. With the threats she has said I'm fearful that she may come through on some of them. Ryan doesn't share any of my concerns and tells me she wouldn't and that if I believe she would I'm paranoid and that she's just angry because she can't have more time because I refuse to have her share my time with him. She slanders me on social media, to my own friends, to his friends and I'm sure her friends. I'm not perfect and don't have clean hands, when she said she wanted harm to come to my kids and me I came completely unglued and unfortunately showed my ass and said my own nasty remarks.

Now here is my problem Im hoping for advice, recommendations or insights with: He sees this female 2x a week and ever since the mark of where things have begun getting progressively worse roughly 2 mo after her first appearance I feel incredibly uneasy, we argue everytime he sees this person. He says he needs complete and total freedom which he says is coming home whenever he wants no time frame (we have 4 children all together so I am guilty of asking him to be home around 1:30am to help me if any are not having a good night). I feel that this person has brought out the absolute worst in him, I don't recognize his behavior at all anymore and that terrifies me. Since they have gotten closer he has broken our rules he hasn't out right lied but he hasn't disclosed the truth either, he will not openly talk to me and if I asked questions he becomes defensive and tells me it's his business. We used to disclose everything and that was our policy, leave out intimate details but disclose everything. Other people have been the ones to unknowingly fill me in on everything and I have had to sit there without reaction when they tell me or ask if I knew which is humiliating to me.

He wants more time and freedom with her (freedoms means he doesn't want me to get angry when he comes home at 4-5am without a call or text that he won't be on time or asking if everyone is asleep/ if I need help with the children). Because of this and schedules I don't get much if any adult time with him so when he said that he wants to see her more I felt insulted and told him he's asking a homeless man for money, there's just nothing to give. I have told him over and over I'm not getting enough time with him and his response is "well if you let me do what I want and spend time with her you'll get more" which is a complete oxymoron.

With his behavior change and him wanting more time with this female and how awful she is to me and disrespectful to me and my relationship I feel extremely insecure. We speak to someone once every other week which leads to just another day of arguing. I don't believe that he loves me the way he once did. I don't feel secure in the relationship and I don't know what to do. He tells me I'm controlling and pushing him away. How can I deal or cope with this female constantly bad mouthing me, him saying it's not really happening because she doesn't say it directly to him or directly to me and how can I not feel this strong reaction of anger, threat and despair when he wants to see her? I'm so tired of me not having any time with him, he refuses to text me if he's with her but the few times I've coaxed him to have a "date" with me he just texted her the whole time which ruined it for me it wasn't fun or loving anymore. That is what I mean by adult time, one on one enjoying it.

I feel like all I am and why he's with me is so someone is there to watch the kids, clean the house and sleep next to and he has her for having fun, enjoying himself and feeling happy and in love. He has been told all of this many times over plus some.
 
First of all - I assume you've recently had your newest little one? Congratulations!

Second of all - I would honestly tell him that he needs step up and be a coparent, which includes supporting the kids overnight, or he needs to be ready for a custody hearing to establish child support so that someone can be hired to assist you since he insists upon being absent. 4 kids are exhausting, one of them being an infant is even more daunting. He is failing at his commitment to his children.

Third - He sounds like a terrible partner. I would cease romantic/sexual relationship with him until he is ready to be open, honest, and put in the work to repair trust. Actually, I would just separate entirely as I've seen a couple of other dudes start down this road and end up just demolishing their families entirely (which then led to years of therapy for ex-wife and the 3 kids in one case, the other is more recent so I'm not sure how the kids are handling it but my friend is much better off and much happier). That would include a legal custody arrangement/potentially child support and a parenting plan. I don't engage with toxic people, and anyone threatening my family and bringing drama to the lives of my children is 100% toxic.
 
The only behavior you can control is your own.

If I was you I would speak with my feet. Meaning I would leave the relationship. Focus on yourself. You don't need this BS at all. If he wants to be with you he will wake up and do the right thing. If he doesn't he wasn't worth it. Focus on being a good coparent.
 
I'm so sorry. You don't have a metamour problem. You have a partner problem. She's definitely a piece of work but your partner has chosen her. She's just the catalyst. If not her, it would have been someone else.

He's checked out of your relationship and, even more heartbreaking, out of being a father. You could try telling him you will break up with him unless he works on restoring trust and acting in a loving, respectful way towards you and your children.

I don't think this will work. Be prepared to start divorce proceedings (unless you are not married) and definitely start creating a case for child custody and child support hearings. (Are all of the children his?) Talk to a lawyer now, even if you end up not needing one. (Again, this is unlikely in my opinion.) He will likely fight you on child support and possibly custody. It would not surprise me at all that he suddenly wants custody after not wanting much to do with the children. It would be a lever to get to you to take less money.

Do what you can to prevent this. Document what he is telling you. Save emails, texts, social media. Do screenshots of FB or whatever other social media you use. Save any and all communication, including threats, from the metamour. This will be damning in any custody fight. (DO NOT TELL HIM you are doing this. It may seem unfair but sadly, it's necessary.) Separate out your finances as much as you can. Do what you have to protect yourself and the interests of your children.

I'm so sorry. You did not deserve this.
 
I hear that you love Ryan and want to preserve your relationship, get it back to where it was. I understand the fear of humiliation when outsiders know you are being ill treated. I think you are right that the only way through this situation is to forge ahead with your well being and that of your children foremost in your mind.

If your therapy just results in more fights? You are most likely with the wrong therapist and should try to find someone else. We had one like that once, very unhelpful. Ryan's behavior is that of someone who has decided 4 kids are too much work and emotional drain. His refrain of "Freedom, freedom, freedom" sounds a bit immature. Since his behavior is a total departure from how he has been for years, is there anything in addition to the latest baby that happened in the last year that could have derailed him emotionally or mentally before he chose this woman to get involved with?

As things stand this situation is bad for you and bad for your kids as an absent angry dad and an over stressed angry mom cannot create a healthy home. The fact that this woman has actually publicly threatened you and his children and Ryan brushes it off? That is very disturbing! It makes me wonder if in fact he encourages her in her behavior. You do not deserve this treatment from from anyone for any reason.

It seems to me that he is demonstrating that he wants out of the relationship with you without having the responsibility of being the one to say so directly. I think you should call him on it. Move into another room of your place, even if you have to share with the kids (heck, move one or more of the kids in with him) or sleep on the sofa. Draw up an equitable separation plan that gives you time and resources to establish yourself. Include a note telling him to email any changes he wants to discuss. Do your best to remain calm and not be goaded into fighting. You can try telling him that as talking it over leads to fights you will only discuss things in writing except in therapy. Leave the house and go for a walk if he will not stop trying to argue verbally.

I am betting that you have not got a job that could support yourself and the kids at this time so that just walking out is not an option, but whether you are together or not he has taken the legal responsibility to support his kids as comfortably as they have been up to now. Don't let him get you thinking that without him you and the kids are doomed.

I am sorry not to be more encouraging but the way he has decided to treat you and the kids is way out of bounds.

Leetah
 
A little more background : Metamor problems

I have slept separately from him for a while, I am not able to work full time due to he says I'll have to pay for a sitter if I do more than 2 days since he is the bread winner and he cannot concentrate on work with the kids (he works from home). So I'm only working part time.

He declares that I'm the love of his life and have his whole heart and she shares a small part of it (I don't see that). This female has run off a wonderful woman that him and I had a triangle with by insulting her and putting her down until she crumbled. There's too much to type of what she said to Celeste but in short is was telling her how pathetic and useless she will be to be with him and me.

I do love him, I want nothing more than to fix things with him only. I'll never forgive this female nor refer to her as anything other than her gender for what she's said about our newborn. An apology and even if she gave me 6 pints of blood and a kidney will never be enough. That is my own cross to bear but at some point there's no returning or we'd all be with the very first friends we ever had and very first relationships.

I don't want to paint him as a monster. He is a nice man when it comes to everything but this. He does support me and the children, he buys the food, pays the mortgage, pays the bills etc.

As I said he does say that I'm the one he wants as his primary for all time, that his life is nothing without me and many other things but I can't help but feel that it's all just things to buy time. I am thankful for the car he bought for me so I can get back and forth to work and for all of the financial doings that he does. I'd much rather us be piss pot poor and him spend time with me one on one being romantic and happy the way he used to before he decided money is love. The things he does financially are nice but I'd rather give them all back if it could get his time, happiness and love and feel it from him. The only time he seems to be nice to me is after he has done something he wasn't suppose to with her (like telling me he was going somewhere for work and really spending the night with her). He says he feels guilty and that it's not ok for her to say these things and then he turns around a minute later and says he doesn't believe them and cannot confront her about them because he doesn't have "first handed" evidence.

I just am hoping someone can help me either talk to him in a way I haven't been able to think of and help him see my needs and me to get help or advice on how to deal with how this person is and how I feel about this situation. I do love this man.
 
I am sorry you deal in this. :(

The meta is a cowgirl. Nasty sounding one at that. But she is not your main problem. Your main problem is that your partner has checked out. He is neglecting you/kids big time.

His words say pretty things:

As I said he does say that I'm the one he wants as his primary for all time, that his life is nothing without me and many other things...

His actions are something else:

  • Ryan will not longer honor veto about cutting off contact with any people who purposely and negatively affect the relationship between (you + ryan)
  • He denies that the woman says nasty things to you
  • He wants to come home whenever he wants without a call or text
  • He does not do his share of the night parenting
  • He does lies of omission – leaving things out
  • He will not talk to you – becomes defensive and tells you it is his business
  • He does not spent adult time/date time with you
  • He will not help pay for a babysitter if you increase your work hours
  • He is only nice to you when he feels guilty about lying. Like he says he was at work but really he was with her
  • He says he feels guilty and that it's not ok for her to say these things and then he turns around a minute later and says he doesn't believe them and cannot confront her about them because he doesn't have "first handed" evidence
  • He allowed this woman to drive Celeste crazy with her behavior and did not say boo
  • He is allowing this woman to drive you crazy with her behavior and will not say boo.

The result of all his behaviors is that you feel unheard, neglected, and unappreciated:

I feel like all I am and why he's with me is so someone is there to watch the kids, clean the house and sleep next to

I think you could step back. Let him do whatever he pleases so long as YOU are out of the line of fire. Stop talking to him about her. Stop expecting him to help you any with the kids. Consider yourself a single parent. Don't get sucked into conversations about her.

I don't want to paint him as a monster. He is a nice man when it comes to everything but this. He does support me and the children, he buys the food, pays the mortgage, pays the bills etc.

Do not mistake "does basic household responsibilities" with "he is a nice man who treats me well." His treatment of you has been very poor. He lives here too. He'd be foolish not to pay his home bills and get himself kicked out.

It's hard to accept that someone you love treats you bad and doesn't seem to much love you.

It's tempting to blame it on the Other Person (in this case the nasty meta) as the reason but really? He is in control of his own behaviors. Not the cowgirl woman. It's your partner who is treating your poorly.

You may be seeing a side of him you have never seen before, and maybe it's a shocker that he could treat you this way.

But basically you are clearly trying to tell him something and he will not listen and he does not care.

I just am hoping someone can help me either talk to him in a way I haven't been able to think of and help him see my needs and me to get help or advice on how to deal with how this person is and how I feel about this situation. I do love this man.

I think you could love him from a safer distance. Loving him up close hurts.

And right now, you need to love you and the kids 51% more than you love him. Then you don't let your soft feelings for him prevent you from looking out for your own well being.

I prett much agree with the others. You could separate.

Right now you are on a sinking ship still trying to convince him to swim for shore. Whether or not he chooses to swim? YOU can swim for shore. YOU can get the kids to safety. ALL of you going down on this sinking ship is no good. So save the ones you can save.

Tell him you want him to be free to do whatever he wants with her. And you also want to be free FROM any more drama. So you want a separation. Start drawing up the paperwork. Get off the sinking ship. It is dragging you under.

Can you move out? With a friend or relative for a month or two? Or to another room in the house if you cannot? Can he move in with her? Give him all the freedom he wants while you sort out the paperwork to disband. Get you and the kids out of the line of fire.

You are ignorable, and right now he gets his house attended to by you and his fun with her. You don't seem to like that arrangement. So you could stop participating and start leaving.

If you have enough evidence to file for an injunction/restraining order on the Cowgirl, do so. Her saying she wants harm to come to the kids is messed up! Get away from her.


I'll never forgive this female nor refer to her as anything other than her gender for what she's said about our newborn. An apology and even if she gave me 6 pints of blood and a kidney will never be enough. That is my own cross to bear but at some point there's no returning or we'd all be with the very first friends we ever had and very first relationships.

You seem to recognize that some relationships simply have to end/sever. Either because they are not healthy or no good or whatever it is.

Where are your deal breaker lines with him? Has he crossed enough yet? If not, what is left for him to cross/betray? :(

Again, I am very sorry you deal in this. I can imagine it is a huge disappointment and frustration right now. :(

I encourage you to sort it out though and get you and the kids to better space.

Galagirl
 
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Hi AtlantaBunny007,

With all earnestness, I want to ask you to break up with Ryan. Certainly your metamour is a problem, but Ryan is the engine that is giving your metamour power and speed. Please get a consult with a lawyer and find out what your options are. I do not know if you are married to Ryan, but even if you're not, I wonder if he isn't legally required to provide for his own children with or without your company.

Consider that your children are seeing an example of how a man should treat a woman. They are seeing how the father should treat the mother. Surely this isn't the kind of example you want your children growing up with. It will have an effect on their adult lives.

I don't know if Ryan was already nuts, or if your metamour has driven him nuts. Regardless, he is no longer fit to be with you, and no longer fit to be with the kids. Something is very very wrong with the way he is acting.

I feel very bad for you for having to go through with this. I hope you can find a way out.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Do you believe your husband when he says she doesn't exhibit this behavior directly to him?

Has he checked out, or are you pushing him out with the constant arguing? It sounds like her MO is to try and drive the meta away while acting all innocent to her target. Try ignoring her. You are letting her get under your skin.

If your husband is truly not interested in leaving you for her, she will either lose interest or escalate. Let her be the one who screws up, not you.
 
Why hasn't he seen her FB posts?

Hon, I understand how you feel that you'd rather have things back to the way it was instead of money, but he's being a total ass. You need to start protecting yourself and your kids and put away some money, and make an escape plan.
 
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