Needing help with multi-relationship partner

EponineElphabaT

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Hi everyone, I'm new to the site. I am familiar with polyamory thanks to reading "The Ethical Slut" and "More Than Two," and have found both to somewhat be helpful with my current situation. Mine is not exactly a poly situation, but I'm at my rope's end trying to find someone who can help. I hope someone here takes pity on me and answers, even if it's real talk and harsh. Apologies in case this is not very coherent.

My guy and I have been involved for two years now. I am 29; he is 49. We broke up for a short period last year when I found out he was seeing someone else, then got back together with the premise that we would be open and honest with each other about other partners for health reasons. I guess I have more of a mono mindset than I thought, because I did try going out on dates with other guys and talking to them, but they were just lacking in comparison.

In the meantime, my guy is involved with two other women besides me. One of them is fairly close to his age; the other is 25 and is a co-worker of mine. He is not sexually attracted to the one his age and told me he is slowly extracting himself from that relationship, as they have had issues that he considers dealbreakers. He has told me that he does not consider my co-worker to be long-term; that their relationship is not serious, he doesn't trust her, and as he has two children of his own (whom I have met and played with and babysat), he does not want to help raise her daughter. He has further said he has no intentions of moving in with her and that she's not moving in with him and that he plans to end that relationship once her divorce is finalized. Her divorce is about to be finalized.

He has said, that out of the three of us, he sees me as long-term off and on. He loves how smart I am and how we can talk about almost anything; he says I am sweet and prettier than the two of them and that he would be devastated to lose me. And that he cares about me a lot and loves me very much and enjoys being around me and likes me. At one point we actually talked about monogamy and him committing to me, but that didn't work out given his belief in slowly withdrawing from relationships instead of big blow-up breakups.

I am fairly sure the co-worker does not know he is seeing me. I think the one around his age has some idea I exist, but we don't talk much about either of them unless I ask questions.

I have had jealousy issues off and on with both women; a few weeks ago he left me at his house to go spend the night with my co-worker. I was upset and in tears and he apologized for hurting my feelings and hugged me twice, but he still left me at his house alone anyhow. I spent this past weekend at his house helping with his kids and I knew he would be inviting the co-worker over to his house tonight, but I still find myself jealous.

I guess...the whole point of this is I need help coping. When I have been upset with him I have called him manwhore and said he has a harem, which he always gets mad about but really can't deny. And he's also said he has gotten jealous over the idea of me going out with other guys, but he really can't protest.

"More Than Two" has been extremely helpful in regard to the jealousy aspects. I have gotten sick of it all at times and have tried to walk away, give him space, etc. only to go back and try to adjust because deep down inside I do care. We have discussed polyamory and I have told him the most crucial element is honesty- that the other two women would definitely know about me, I wouldn't be the only female knowing about the others. But still I feel I am.

I just need help. I feel I have progressed some in that I didn't cry knowing he's with her tonight, but I am still jealous and a little upset. I would like either a clue by four upside the face, or someone who's been there, or even pointing me in the right direction in regard to advice.
 
You already know.

You are NOT having jealousy issues with the other women. This is something that HE is doing to you -- even after you have pointed out that he ought to knock off the secrecy schtick.

At the same time, you make it sound as though he slathers you with praise in comparison to other women. Though you're on the other end of what sounds a lot like narcissistic behavior, this appears frequently, & sure looks like
he is triangulating you with his new victim, comparing you two. Telling you she's better than you. Less demanding, etc. Classic Narc behavior! My ex did that to me: "C and D would never say the things to me that you say!" Sure, they were "perfect" through his rose colored NRE glasses. I was, at that point, just familiar and boring. He'd gotten his jollies with me, I was predictable. And I was pissed off at his lack of attention. I was uncomfortable with crumbs of his attention. How dare I!
http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showpost.php?p=324370&postcount=40

Most "self-help" books should be burned (IMNSHO). In this instance, your "jealousy" is likely telling you to RUN, change your phone numbers, maybe your name, & you're doing exercises to be a compliant victim. Drop the book in the trash & start thinking for yourself.

He's a flaming nutball, a serial emotional manipulator. He's a cheater, & his self-righteous arrogance does NOTHING to make that better. You're enabling him, & you're asking how to be a better enabler.

You need an "Old Yeller solution": you're allowed to feel really bad about putting the dog down, but it's gotta be done. :cool:
 
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I agree with Ravenscroft. Maybe this guy is intelligent, gorgeous, funny, sweeps you off your feet, or whatever, but he is treating every one of his women badly, dishonestly, even cruelly. He went off to on a date and left you with his kids unexpectedly? That is really out there. He has two women he has plans to break up with but is telling you not them? Does the divorcing woman think that when she is finally free their relationship will be moving to the next level but will be being dumped instead? Take heed of what he is telling you about how he behaves in relationships! You can care for him from a safe distance rather than being involved intimately with him you know.

Leetah
 
Does the divorcing woman think that when she is finally free their relationship will be moving to the next level but will be being dumped instead?

Leetah

I believe she does. While he has said he will end it with her when her divorce is finalized, she is going around telling other co-workers that once her divorce is finalized, they will start officially dating. Also she thinks they're going to be long-term. Yet he flat out told me "I'm not moving in with her and she's not moving in with me!"
 
I believe she does. While he has said he will end it with her when her divorce is finalized, she is going around telling other co-workers that once her divorce is finalized, they will start officially dating. Also she thinks they're going to be long-term. Yet he flat out told me "I'm not moving in with her and she's not moving in with me!"

But then, you don't know what he's telling her. He could be telling her that she can move in with him when her divorce is final...all while telling you the opposite. I agree with the others. You don't have jealousy issues. You have a user, jerk of a boyfriend. You're way too young to saddle yourself with this guy. You deserve better.
 
Actually even if she was his age, or older, she still would deserve better. It's not like there is an age people reach and they have to take crappy treatment. (PinkPig, I strongly suspect that is not what you meant to imply. It's just that that particular phrasing does rather does imply that if she was old enough, it would be alright to saddle herself with this guy.)
 
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He has said, that out of the three of us, he sees me as long-term off and on. He loves how smart I am and how we can talk about almost anything; he says I am sweet and prettier than the two of them and that he would be devastated to lose me.
This is not polyamory, to set up a "win the man" derby with three women. Along with the very sound heave-ho advice already given, I'd add that you'd benefit from reflecting on why this man is so incredibly irresistible to you. That kind of introspection will help you develop your own sense of self so that the next man you fall in love with will better reflect what you truly want, which is a stable, monogamous and loving relationship. This man is reflecting your fears and feelings of unworthiness, which are undoubtedly quite active in you right now.


You need an "Old Yeller solution": you're allowed to feel really bad about putting the dog down, but it's gotta be done. :cool:
You date yourself with this reference, Ravenscroft, but I also date myself by knowing exactly what it is. :eek:
 
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This man is a douche and you would be better off without him in your life.

He doesn't want anything to do with your coworkers child but wants you to play and babysit his. Asshole .. you could do so much better.
 
I am fairly sure the co-worker does not know he is seeing me.

Then this foursome is not practicing ethical, open, honest polyamory. He's cheating.


I have had jealousy issues off and on with both women; a few weeks ago he left me at his house to go spend the night with my co-worker. I was upset and in tears and he apologized for hurting my feelings and hugged me twice, but he still left me at his house alone anyhow.

What kind of business is that? He has you watching his kids at home while he goes out to cheat knowing you are all upset? I hope you called him to come fetch his kids and you went home. And I hope you end it with this guy.

All while down talking his other partners to you and up talking you. I think that's just telling your pretty things to keep you on the string...while making you wonder if to them he down talks YOU.

I could be wrong, but I think he's all kinds of fresh and you are better off ending it so you can be free of this upset.

If it is hard to be here and it is hard to break up? Break up. It's the less stinky hard because you get to be sad for a while, but then you get to heal and move on. The other choice of staying? That's never-ending misery.

Hard to feel, but actions seem straightforward.

Galagirl
 
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Then this foursome is not practicing ethical, open, honest polyamory. He's cheating.




What kind of business is that? He has you watching his kids at home while he goes out to cheat knowing you are all upset? I hope you called him to come fetch his kids and you went home. And I hope you end it with this guy.



Galagirl

No, he didn't have me watch the kids while he went out to cheat. I was staying with him for a few days, it was just the two of us there, and he flat out told me, "I promised her I'd spend a night with her this week." Neither child was present.

Not justifying his behavior at all. Just clearing that up. I'd have throttled him if he'd done that to me. (should have throttled him anyway...)

He actually had the nerve to say, at the time, "I'm sorry I hurt your feelings over this." As if saying that was actually going to make me say, "oh, thank you dear, go have a good time." If he had truly been sorry, he wouldn't have done it at all.

And I seriously doubt he's actually told the other two about me at all. There's no way my co-worker would keep being nice to me if she actually knew the truth. I think the woman his age has her suspicions thanks to his neighbors innocently asking about me and if we had met (which he told me about).

Anyhow. Was not expecting this many responses right off the bat. For some reason he's acting all distant lately, right after I spent this past weekend with his kids, so that will make withdrawing from him easier. Mirror behavior and all.
 
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Hi EponineElphabaT,

I am not in your situation and can't know for sure, but I have to admit this guy of yours sounds suspicious. Like he is just looking out for his own interests, using other people in his life as convenient to him, and then hanging them out to dry. You could be next ... :eek:

Don't get me wrong, it's good to have an open mind and have a handle on your jealousies and whatnot. It's just that in this case, cutting your ties with this guy seems to be the higher priority. Trust your instincts.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
I won't be next. Want to know why? Because I walked away from him. Was not having a good day, and I finally got sick of the way he's been acting lately. Build-up of tension and I busted my butt this weekend to watch the kids and the like and yet he acts like none of that happened and can barely reply to texts, if at all. Asked him what was going on and all he could say was he's been crazy busy and preoccupied with work problems. Yeah. Right. And I asked if I could come over to his apartment and talk about it. He said no...my co-worker was staying with him due to a plumbing leak in her apartment. And no, he couldn't come meet me somewhere to talk. And I lost it. Told him off and said, "when you actually want to back up all those I love yous and try dating just me....text me. Otherwise, have a good life." We can all guess the odds of the former ever happening.

Am I upset? Yes. Did I possibly make an emotional decision? Yes. Have I been crying? Yes. Despite how he's been. Should he have gotten a nasty kiss-off? Probably. But I wanted to retain some dignity in the situation. And also that reply was my snarky side popping out, I tend to get sarcastic with him.
 
I think you did the right thing.

And I don't blame you for being upset. In fact sometimes I think we have to be upset in order to come to certain realizations about things. Which doesn't help you feel any better, I know. :(

Give yourself some time. You'll start to heal eventually. And keep us posted here if you're willing.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Thanks for clarifying. Though it sounds like he does use you for babysitter duty even if not in that particular case.

Think you did the right thing in ending it. Your needs are not met here and he doesn't sound honest. Even if he did want to date you again in future? Maybe you decide that no, don't want to after all. Not worth the drama.

I hope you can do you self care in peace and feel better soon.

Galagirl
 
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