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We are a married couple. Always considered us soul mates. We have now been dating a woman for nearly a year. About 4 months in she fell madly in love with hubby. She and I are still trying to learn each other and develop and trust. I believe she loves me. She just is so crazy over him sometimes I feel left out. They have a crazy attraction and consider each other soul mates as well. In the purest since of the definition they are. I'm seriously trying not to be jealous or worried. My husband is always supportive and reassures me that there is nothing to worry about. I truly believe him so not sure what bothers me. Any suggestions?
 
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Oh, this is very common. Are you sure she's bisexual? Were you and your husband strictly looking for a "third" and only offering a "package deal" where the woman you sought would have to be involved with both of you or not at all? Do a Tag search for "couple privilege" and "unicorn hunters" if that is how the two of you approached starting a relationship with her. A lot of times straight women go along with having a relationship with the wife in a non-monogamous couple because that's the only option they have to be with the husband.

If that was the only offer you put on the table, and your husband and you will not date separately, unfortunately this is the kind of things that happens. You cannot legislate love. It's quite unreasonable and unrealistic to expect a person to come into a relationship with an established couple and love both of you equally and simultaneously.

You should all sit down and talk. All three together. Tell them the feelings you've been having and how you wonder if there is something you should be concerned about. Point blank ask her of she really only wants to be with your husband and not you. If it turns out that is the case, and isn't that much into you or women in general (sexually), then you should date on your own and strike up a relationship with someone else. You have your thing, they have theirs.
 
She is very bisexual. She does love me. We have really good times together. They are just very few just the two of us. Feels like we just have a lot of catching up to do. Their relationship had been growing fast and deep. Schedules just permit them to have a lot more communication than she and I get. She is working on it with me but I always feel like I'm playing catch up
 
She is very bisexual. She does love me. We have really good times together. They are just very few just the two of us. Feels like we just have a lot of catching up to do. Their relationship had been growing fast and deep. Schedules just permit them to have a lot more communication than she and I get. She is working on it with me but I always feel like I'm playing catch up
It doesn't sound that terrible, sounds like a viable triade, if she really is into you. The usual advice I think would be "don't focus on what they have, ask for what you need". Understand that her's and your husbands relationship is separate from your's and her's (though they of course influence each other in the sense of metamour relationships). They grow separetelly. There's nowhere to catch up. Also, there's no equality - there are just satisfied or dissatisfied people. Ask yourself: are you dissatisfied because you would like more time with her? Are you jealous because you're worried your husband will have more of a connection with her then yourself? Are you envious of their connection, because you would like that for yourself too (with her specifically or someone in general)?
 
Good advice. Helping me think

Yes I think I am a little jealous of their connection. I would love to have more of one with her. I don't worry about my husband becoming more connected to her than me but sometimes I wonder at which point it levels off. she and I have the hardest time trying to fit our schedules. their schedules allow for them to make time when I'm at work so they always say it doesn't take anything away from me. I feel like I'm expected to be ok with everything no matter what and if I'm not then it's something wrong with me. Not that I'm just overwhelmed and I would like them to just lighten up a little sometimes. I love them both and I know they both love me. Just like I said overwhelmed I guess
 
Even though she is very bisexual, that doesn't mean you and she will have the same type of connection she and your husband do. In fact, that is really unlikely. Relationships aren't the same, and expecting the attractions to be the same is unrealistic and a recipe for failure.

You and she may or may not ever develop a deeper connection--that's just how relationships work. It could be time and schedule related, compatibility related, chemistry related...whatever. Relationships, regardless of sexual orientation, face the same challenges, and by adding more people, you add more challenges. And if you and hubby come only as a "package deal," then she's not very likely to be honest with you if she's not feeling it, since it means she'd get kicked to the curb. That's not a very emotionally safe position from which to express honest emotion.

IME, many people assume that become a woman is bi, she can/will/should experience "equal" feelings for both members of a couple. That isn't the case at all, just like you don't experience "equal" or "the same" feelings for your friends, family, etc.

NYCindie pointed you in a good direction. Read, educate yourself. In addition to the searches here she mentioned, read this as well: So Someone Called You a Unicorn Hunter.
 
Def read up on unicorn hunting, but I get the feeling this much more a problem of adapting to change. That's ok, and it can take years to really put all the concepts of polyamory into practice even if it's 'right' for them.
Not that I'm just overwhelmed and I would like them to just lighten up a little sometimes. I love them both and I know they both love me. Just like I said overwhelmed I guess
Would you try to clarify, what it is that you are overwhelmed by? It could help you to break it down to specific issues, which you can then voice to the two of them.
Write a list of what you feel.
I feel...
  • A little jealous of your connection
  • left out
  • loved/not loved, supported/not supported by husband/gf (?)
  • (...?)
I would like...
  • to spend more time with gf
  • to adjust schedules
  • my concernes to be heard and taken into accound (e.g. the wish to slow down ... in what, specifically?)
  • (...?)
You don't have to post it of course if you don't want to.

Does this article speak to you? (it is less about triads, but still...)
http://www.kathylabriola.com/articles/are-you-in-poly-hell
 
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OP, you talk about "catching up," feeling like their bond is deeper, and wishing things between them would lighten up or level off because what they have overwhelms you. Your words convey a sense of competition on your part. Polyamory isn't a race or a contest. There is nothing to win or prove. It's about having more than one loving relationship, not about making sure everything is even-steven and equal. So what if their connection seems to you to be very deep, or deeper than what you have with her? Is what you have with her nice, satisfying, pleasant, easy? Focus on who is in front of you, not your thoughts about what it "should" be. Focus on the relating part of your relationships and see if you can catch yourself when you have thoughts that essentially boil down to "he's got his - when do I get mine?" And then remind yourself that it's not a race.
 
I just want my feelings to be validated. I feel like I'm supposed to just be ok with everything or I'm the one that's negative. they take advantage of every available moment when I'm at work so "it's not taking anything away from me". The gf is in another relationship that the partner doesn't know. For a couple months they were having these private moments without my knowledge then hubby decided to tell me and come clean with full honesty. We have all shared that since then except that he is about to give her a promise ring. Initially she did not want me to know. Hubby insisted and now they have included me in planning so I can share but I cannot be there because it would interfere. I just want it to be okay for me to have a concern or feel uncomfortable and voice that without it being wrong and me being told I'm making them feel bad or like they are cheating. I had some issues early in but have grown past that. I just want the chance to prove that and to not be criticized for every facieal expression or comment I make.
 
It sounds like more communication among all three of you would help, but perhaps with a third party - like a therapist who is familiar with poly and alternative lifestyles. Nobody should be allowed to scold, taunt, or shame you for expressing your feelings.

Why don't you direct them to this thread?
 
I feel like I'm supposed to just be ok with everything or I'm the one that's negative.
So... nobody else finds that statement disquieting?
Absolutely, and Polyfit said it twice now.
It may be a small problem or a huge problem - depends if the people involved can adjust their attitude.

I am sorry your triade/V started with cheating, Polyfit. I think you are very brave to come to terms with that.
What's your stance on her still cheating on her other partner??? I mean, it's her choice and you can hardly do much about it, but her drama affects your partner and you now.

We have all shared that since then except that he is about to give her a promise ring. Initially she did not want me to know. Hubby insisted and now they have included me in planning so I can share but I cannot be there because it would interfere.
That must be hard. I understand the need for privacy, however what they made sounds like a very unilateral decision.
Did you and your husband discuss the commitment he is making? Did you discuss how it will affect the you+him relationship?

I just want it to be okay for me to have a concern or feel uncomfortable and voice that without it being wrong and me being told I'm making them feel bad or like they are cheating. I had some issues early in but have grown past that. I just want the chance to prove that and to not be criticized for every facieal expression or comment I make.
Yeah I can see how jealousy and a little ignorance on their side can very easily lead to that dynamics.

Please give yourself permission not to be ok. Please give yourself permission to voice yourself, even if it does make them feel bad.

If they feel like they are cheating when you don't like something? That's actually their problem to solve.

I encourage you to tell them what you have written. Something like "I love you both and I have done some serious work to move past my issues with the cheating and with your relationship. I don't want to make you feel bad or control your relationship. But I still have concerns sometimes. I want to be able to voice them, and I ask you to take that as an invitation for discussion. I want to be able to tell you what I dislike - you don't have to obey by my wish, but I want to be heard and considered. I can also feel left out or jealous. I would like to get more support from you at those times. "

If simply telling is not enough? I encourage you to to be more assertive about your needs, even if it means conflict with your partner(s).
 
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I encourage you to to be more assertive about your needs, even if it means conflict with your partner(s).

This piece has an awful lot of influence over how all of this is playing out. While these are common ways to talk, your stance that "they make me feel" or "I feel like I'm supposed to..." or "me being told I'm making them feel bad" all reflect your image of yourself as a puppet, subject to others' view of the story and who you are in it. Nobody can make you feel anything or make you feel like you're supposed to do anything. Likewise, you cannot make them feel bad with your questions and desire for more open involvement. It's all about the attitude you're bringing to the situation. It's standard friend-type advice to take "your side" and perhaps even to support you in how wrong they are, but really, that kind of advice isn't of much help in changing a situation. That kind of side taking only leads to a stand off in which someone usually ends up leaving in tears. There is a way to change how all of this is unfolding and that way lies with your decision to change your self perception. I suspect that you've got a good bit of self diminishment going on, not only in this arena but in much of your life. Work on that (and not on how unreasonable they seem to be) and you'll see everything else, including your beloved relationships change for the better. If you see yourself as the beautiful, empowered, desirable and regal Queen that you are, others will respond to you as such and nothing like this can entwine itself around you.

I know that my advice seems out there for most, but unless you want to remain embroiled in disappointments, constant score taking, endless and fruitless "talks" about needs and hurt feelings, a change in your self perception is truly the only way to turn this into a peaceful, happy and joyful experience.
 
I just want my feelings to be validated. I feel like I'm supposed to just be ok with everything or I'm the one that's negative. they take advantage of every available moment when I'm at work so "it's not taking anything away from me". The gf is in another relationship that the partner doesn't know. For a couple months they were having these private moments without my knowledge then hubby decided to tell me and come clean with full honesty. We have all shared that since then except that he is about to give her a promise ring. Initially she did not want me to know. Hubby insisted and now they have included me in planning so I can share but I cannot be there because it would interfere. I just want it to be okay for me to have a concern or feel uncomfortable and voice that without it being wrong and me being told I'm making them feel bad or like they are cheating. I had some issues early in but have grown past that. I just want the chance to prove that and to not be criticized for every facieal expression or comment I make.

IMHO, this changes things pretty substantially. You weren't unicorn hunting, my mistake (not that some of that doesn't apply to how things progress, if you want it to, but it's not really what you guys need to be focusing on).

1. Poly from cheating almost never works. I've seen two cases of it, both here (never IRL),and those both took a LONG time to work out, with much patience by all involved.

2. You haven't healed from that betrayal yet. Expecting you to just jump in and be totally fine with everything is bullshit. It's not only unrealistic, it's ridiculously selfish on their part.

3. She's still cheating on her partner. This is *never* a good thing. Ever. Drama *will* ensure, her partner *will* find out, and shit *will* it the fan. Morals of cheating aside for just a second, many betrayed partners react pretty (understanably) harshly to finding out about the betrayal.It's bad enough when it's just one other partner. But, in your case, this is poly. It's not a protected status ANYWHERE in the US that I am aware of. Meaning, you and your husband have an awful lot to lose if the betrayed partner decides (and they often do, PM me if you want the link to a board specifically for healing from cheating, and take a gander around there at what happens) to out you to family, friends, employers, etc. Poly is not a widely socially-accepted thing, and depending where you are in the US, this could go pretty wrong pretty fast.

4. Back to the morals of cheating. So...you're okay with being part of a relationships that removes agency from someone else? With aiding in removing their ability to make informed decisions about their sexual and emotional well-being, without their consent? Turn that situation around...how would you feel if your partner was fucking two other people that you didn't know, and (almost certainly) not using protection with you? Would you believe any assurances that of course the other partners were drug/disease free and/or that appropriate safer sex practices had been followed with them (given you'd been lied to for how long about literally everything else)? Lying to you (heck, you've been there, but at least your husband came clean)? Changing your entire relationship structure with no input from you, or without the chance for you to decide that you didn't want that relationship structure? Also, the reality is that while some cheaters only cheat once, it's pretty rare. So, you are also putting yourself at risk, since your gf seemingly has no issues being dishonest about who she's fucking if she decides her pleasure is more important than your safety. (yeah, this is harsh, but reality often sucks--I am not saying there's never any reason for cheating, but the realities of it remain the same. You need to decide if you can look at those realities with a clean head and accept them).

5. You need to stand up for you. You have needs. They are valid. If you partners are not listening to them, you need to figure out if that's because you aren't communicating those needs in a way that is clear and understandable, or if your partners just don't give a rat's ass because they're so deep in their bubble they can't/won't consider your feelings and needs equally to theirs. If it's the former, more and better communication is key. If it's the latter, you need to decide if you want to stick that out or find other options.

6. Your husband needs to be focusing on healing and rebuilding trust with you right now. If he can't do that, he's definitely not cut out for poly with you, her, or anyone else. Period. That may or may not mean taking a break (or ending) the relationship with GF--that depends on what you and he can both handle while still healing. But, if he just wants to sweep this under the rug and not deal with his dishonesty and trust breaking, it's not going to work, and that is clearly already playing out in your (totally valid) feelings. He should be seeking to find ways to reconnect with you, rebuild trust, and build the lines of communication. He's doing the opposite.

I am sorry you're part of this. It's messy, and almost certainly will end in a shitshow. For me, people who cause their own messy, dramatic situation aren't people who I allow into my life--dating or otherwise--and if my partners elect to do so and that begins to impact my life, I am out. I am not saying you have to do the same thing, but you do need to start thinking about your own boundaries, your own needs, and how you move forward both as an individual and, if you wish, in your relationships, in healthy ways. This is not healthy.
 
2. You haven't healed from that betrayal yet.
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6. Your husband needs to be focusing on healing and rebuilding trust with you right now.
You may very well be right GreenAcres, I just want to point out it's been a year dating the gf already.
We don't know how severe the cheating was (polyfitjt just stated they had "private moments") nor if they really did any rebuilding of trust afterwards or not.

On another note, I agree with FallenAngelinas post and I hope will be making sense to you Polyfitjt, it's a little difficult to grasp :(
 
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You may very well be right GreenAcres, I just want to point out it's been a year dating the gf already.
We don't know how severe the cheating was (polyfitjt just stated they had "private moments") nor if they really did any rebuilding of trust afterwards or not.

On another note, I agree with FallenAngelinas post and I hope will be making sence to you Polyfitjt, it's a little difficult to grasp :(

I also agree with FallenAngelina's post! It takes some thought, but hopefully the OP will get it.

I'm reading that they didn't do much in the way of healing and rebuilding trust for a few reasons: 1) that the OP still feels like she just has to accept things and gets flack if she doesn't, 2) when the OP expresses her concerns, it appears her partners tell her she's making them feel "guilty" like they're "cheating,"...which, um, they are, so....3) that the GF *is* still cheating on her husband and is interested in hiding things from both her husband and the OP(clearly, honest and communication aren't actually a thing here, which makes it hard to heal), and 3) she says 'we all shared that since then," which (to me) implies no time healing, just dive right in! I could, of course, be wrong and they took time to really rebuild trust and communication and the OP is just expressing things in a poor way and/or on faulty timeline, though pretty much all therapists will tell you that while there's still the lying and hiding going on, there can't be real and honest healing (but, I suppose not everyone agrees with that).

Also, how in the world does a promise ring work if the GF is still in her other relationship? Where in the world is that supposed to go? She's going to cheat on him forever?:confused: There just seem like a big ball of dishonesty and guilting/gaslighting going on here, which is awful on many levels that have nothing to do with poly, but that will certainly also make poly much harder.
 
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