Struggling here...any advice welcomed

Wonderwoman1383

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Back story... I used to be married to my ex-husband. We had a swinger's lifestyle, but he continued to cheat on me behind my back. It caused us to divorce.

Currently, I have been married to my husband for 14 years. I have always been bisexual, but not active during our marriage. He has always known and is comfortable with me having another woman. Just recently we had a relationship with another woman. I was sexually involved with her, but he wasn't. My husband stated that he might touch and caress her. I am struggling with this. He doesn't want to sleep with her. Am I not ready, or being selfish?
 
Hello Wonderwoman1383,

There is nothing wrong with you being involved with this other woman, while your husband is not involved -- if you and your husband are both okay with that arrangement. Your husband has said that he might touch and caress her. Is he willing to give up that possibility if you tell him not to do it? Will he resent you if he gives it up? Would you be willing to let him touch and caress her? Would you resent him if he does it? It sounds like you may be struggling with some jealousy. I hope we can help. If you and your husband are incompatible in this poly area, you may need to think about an amicable divorce. I hope it doesn't come to that.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
Just recently we had a relationship with another woman.
What do you mean "WE had a relationship with another woman"?

I was sexually involved with her, but he wasn't.
So it wasn't a WE situation after all?
My husband stated that he might touch and caress her
Again, was it a WE or not? Was there group sex, but he was more of an onlooker than a participant? That would make this question a bit clearer. Nobody wants to be part of a threesome without at least the ability to touch and caress.

I am struggling with this. He doesn't want to sleep with her. Am I not ready, or being selfish?
If you want polyamory then yes, you are not ready.

Polyamory is having more than one loving relationship, regardless of identity or gender. You see who you want and hubby sees who he wants. Each of you does the work to be able to work through feelings you get seeing your partner with other partners. Most successful couples take a year or more learning about polyamory, getting counseling and deconstructing their current relationship to create the new polyamorous relationship. To do poly, you have to lose the old relationship to create the new one. It's better all around if that part doesn't involve other people.

Read the book Opening Up. Discuss and figure out what each of you envisions, then read another. Listen to podcasts like Multiamory. Get a poly therapist to help guide you through it and read these boards.
 
Okay, a little more back story. My husband and I have talked about this for years. His stance was he would watch and might get sexually with me, but not her. After this one experience, he is now telling me he wants to being able to pleasure her as well. That's my dilemma. I have mixed feelings about it.
 
I'm sorry you struggle.

Just to be clear, group sex is not a requirement in poly. It's a thing of its own. Some people might do both polyamory and group sex, maybe other things too. Some people do poly and NEVER do group sex.

He has always known and is comfortable with me having another woman. Just recently, we had a relationship with another woman. I was sexually involved with her, but he wasn't. My husband stated that he might touch and caress her. I am struggling with this. He doesn't want to sleep with her. Am I not ready, or being selfish?

It sounds like there was a one-time group sex encounter. That, to me, is not a "relationship."

He wanted to watch. You were up for that, and so was Lady. So you and Lady shared sex while he watched. That was the extent of his participation that time. There was an option for him to share sex with just you, but no, it was just watching.

Now he wants to do another group sex encounter and this time he wants to participate by touching and caressing Lady. You are not up for that. Lady might not be up for that either. Just because he wants things doesn't mean they automatically happen.

People have to negotiate/consent to new encounters and define what is and is not on the table for that time.

If this was "one and done" for you, say so. Or if you want to continue seeing her/dating her, but don't want to date the same person as your husband, say so. If you prefer to stop with the group sex and date separately, say so.

If this is an open marriage, is there some reason he can't go date separate people, or have a threesome elsewhere?

Just because you were up for a little voyeur thing doesn't mean you have to be up for it again, or ever.

Maybe the consent cartoons might help you.


Your consent to participate in things or not belongs to YOU.

Am I not ready or being selfish?

Ready for what? Selfish about what? Your body belongs to YOU. You get to share it, or not, how you want with consenting partners. Nobody is "owed" any kind of sex, certainly not group sex or voyeurism.

You don't have to date the same people as your husband. I think it's better if you date your own people, and he dates his separate people, and not just piggy-back on your social skills.

Doing a one time experiment thing? It's one time. You aren't obligated to do it again with either of these folks. Maybe you don't even want to date Lady.

Think about what YOU want. What kinds of non-monogamy do YOU actually want? Do you even want polyamory? If you come from a swinging background or cheating background with the ex husband, do you need more education, to learn what OTHER kinds of non-monogamy there are?

You current husband could do the same, educate himself on what kinds of non-monogamy he is and is not up for. Then you compare lists and see what's actually on both lists, what actually aligns, that you can share together, and what's NOT going to be shared together.

Some people are "monogamish," like, they're monogamous most of the the time, and once in a great while they might be up for casual sex with other partners separately, or a group sex thing. It depends.

It's not perfect and there are other resources, but the Opening Up book has worksheets. You might do those in colors -- green for "good to go", yellow for "caution," red means "stop and check in," black means "no way in hell." Then you compare your sheets with husband's. See what you both have in common.

You can read "Opening Up" free online.

archive.org

Opening up : a guide to creating and sustaining open relationships : Taormino, Tristan, 1971- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive



The worksheets are also here:

Wayback Machine
Self Evaluation

Wayback Machine
Creating Authentic Relationships

Wayback Machine
Reflecting on Change

Wayback Machine
Open Relationship Checklist

Additional worksheets from another author are here.

https://fiercewaterfall.com/worksheets/crafting-open-relationships.pdf

You figure out what YOU actually want, your husband figures out what HE actually wants, then you talk with each other and see what aligns.

Galagirl
 
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Update. Thank you all for all the advice. We are definitely communicating about what we want. Making the list was a great idea, and we started to read Opening Up. All three of us are excited for the new possibilities.
 
Glad it helped you some.

I noticed "All three of us." I hope that means (you + Lady) dating separately from (you + hHsband) dating each other, and Husband dating his own people, not the same people you're dating. I hope you aren't trying to do all three people dating each other.


This might be something you want to read.

Natural triads can happen over time, and can be okay, but they're one of the hardest models to start out with, as are quads, with everyone dating everyone else. This is something to think about, maybe. It's okay to be newbies, but how much do you want to take on everything at once?

Galagirl
 
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