Taking our first steps down this path - seeking advice

upallnight10

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My wife and I have taken our first steps down the path of an open marriage. It is still very new to us and we arrived here via interesting circumstances, although probably nothing unique. About 6 months ago she had an awakening that things other people did to her (physical and verbal) could turn her on and she found that thrilling. She didn't really communicate that with me though, as we've built walls over the past many years in regards to things like this. I did enjoy a much renewed sex life with my wife and that was great.

We recently went on a cruise and she was almost "courted" by a guy on the cruise, and I could tell she loved the attention. Not knowing that she was exploring this side of herself, I was pretty upset the she wasn't showing me the same attention she showed this guy. Yes, it was only flirting, but she didn't flirt with me like that.

Well, about 2 months after the cruise, I discovered they were having a "text affair" and confronted her about it. At this point it came out that she was rethinking sexuality and relationships and realizing that it is possible to find love and emotional thrills with other people. She would really like to continue what she was doing and was I open to it?

Here is where the irony kicks in. I am open to it and have been thinking about it for many years. It has simply been the walls we built between ourselves that have stopped me from ever opening up about it. I was made now, though, because? I'm not exactly sure. Was I mad because she got there first? Or because she hid this from me? Or was it just insecurity because of our walls?

In any case, in the time since, we have had an amazing "spring" if you will, and we can literally see walls crumbling between us. We have talked about ground rules, honesty and our committment to us as the primary relationship. We both are totally committed to the other person, and I do truly believe it because our connection that way has always been amazing despite walls. We are simply going to be open to what the universe gives us, and if that is other people making us feel good about ourselves, which will feed our primary relationship, then so be it. FYI - we currently are working on a "don't ask don't tell" policy. I have read about that and do understand there are pros and cons, but there are to everything!

Now to the purpose of my post. I found out that she had been talking to a friend about her "text relationship" and how the walls between us were a problem. That friend's husband talked to me to let me know he was there for me to support me in whatever I needed. Because of our committment to honesty, I felt the need to tell my wife about this conversation, and it really hurt her that her friend disclosed this, because she had been adamant about keeping it to herself. Through this process she went through a roller coaster of emotions about how she felt bad that she was the first one to "cheat" in our relationship and how her actions could have jeopardized us.

And that's the problem...she wasn't the first. I had a fling about 7 years ago due to the complete lack of a physical relationship with my wife. Around that time is also when I started thinking about the fact that we could find other experiences outside our marriage and still remain committed to each other. During my confrontation of my wife about the "text affair" she did ask if I had ever done anything, and defensively I lied and said no. Since then we have committed to honesty, and I have seen the emotional turmoil inside her about her being the first one to step outside our marriage. I have not told her and wasn't planning to because I couldn't see it adding anything to where we are now. But now I'm wondering if I should. I have told her that I am having a big interal struggle I'm working through with a double standard. To me that means the fact that I know I can have another relationship and remain committed, but I am still scared about her doing it. I know being scared is an insecurity, and that insecurity stems from the walls we have built over the years. And I can feel even in the short time we've been exploring this that those walls are coming down and those feelings are going away.

But now I am seeking advice, primarily from women I would assume, on if you were in her position, would you want to know about my past fling? Would it add anything? Would it heal and make you feel better? I worry there may be some backslide on trust for her, but I am willing to accept that and rebuild if it will put her in a better place.

(sorry for any typos, I just type stream of consciousness and hardly ever proofread)
 
committment to honesty

You and I might have different interpretations about what a commitment to honesty is.

Is this a new commitment? As in, after she got busted in her recent lie the two of you said "Ok, no more lying to each other ever again"? (with the exception of your ongoing lie which you aren't sure if you want to divulge yet)

Here is a recent discussion on disclosing a past affair
 
"In any case, in the time since, we have had an amazing "spring" if you will, and we can literally see walls crumbling between us. We have talked about ground rules, honesty and our committment to us as the primary relationship. We both are totally committed to the other person, and I do truly believe it because our connection that way has always been amazing despite walls. We are simply going to be open to what the universe gives us, and if that is other people making us feel good about ourselves, which will feed our primary relationship, then so be it. FYI - we currently are working on a "don't ask don't tell" policy. I have read about that and do understand there are pros and cons, but there are to everything!"

Can I just say, please be honest with other men/women about this, so those of us NOT interested in being a way to spice up your marriage or "feeding" your relationship don't waste our time with you?
 
Can I just say, please be honest with other men/women about this, so those of us NOT interested in being a way to spice up your marriage or "feeding" your relationship don't waste our time with you?

Good point, it just goes to show the distance we still have to go in determining what we are doing. Obviously disclosing to partners that they would be a secondary relationship is important. I guess we still have a lot of reading and homework to do on this whole thing!
 
Good point, it just goes to show the distance we still have to go in determining what we are doing. Obviously disclosing to partners that they would be a secondary relationship is important. I guess we still have a lot of reading and homework to do on this whole thing!

It sounds like you mostly want fun on the side. I'd go to the kink/swinging communities :) Or people in poly relationships who don't require much; probably already have other partners.
 
Obviously disclosing to partners that they would be a secondary relationship is important.
Hmm... well, yes, because a lot of poly people do not apply hierarchies to their love relationships, and wouldn't want to get involved if they were to be considered secondaries.

However, what you described in your first post doesn't exactly sound like it's simply a secondary relationship you want:
We are simply going to be open to what the universe gives us, and if that is other people making us feel good about ourselves, which will feed our primary relationship, then so be it.

Ugh. Feeling good about yourselves is an inside job, and it's quite unfair and a bit mean to lay that sort of expectation on anyone (or anything) outside of yourselves. See, to me, that sounds like you are just looking for a cure, a Band-Aid, or a magic wand to improve the relationship you have with your wife. Obviously, it has been rocky - you resorted to cheating, "walls" and distance grew between you, and now you think you can use someone else to enhance your marriage.

From my perspective as an available polyamorist, if I had even a whiff of that kind of expectation from someone pursuing me, I'd run screaming in the opposite direction!

That is because I do not wish to to be used, nor do I want the reason someone wants me in his life to be about fixing what is broken in his other relationship, and I am not into "no strings" sex, even though I like fairly casual less-committed parameters for my relationships. I prefer that even my most casual relationships be loving, caring, and respectful. You may find people who are okay with what you have to offer them (did you even think about what you can offer? Or were you only thinking about what you would get out of it?), but it would not work for me.

There are other options I'd suggest you invest in first if you want to improve the quality of your marriage and get it healthy - way, wa-a-a-ay before you even consider pursuing other people.

I think that if you want to commit to total honesty with her, you need to come clean about your past betrayal. Get into therapy, try workshops in communication and self-awareness, regularly scheduled date nights reserved for romance only, sex toys, sex/relationship coaching, etc., but don't date/fuck/use other people as an attempt to fix what's shitty or not working in your marriage. That would just be a lazy way out - if you are truly committed to improving the relationship with your wife, you should be willing to do the work necessary, rather than hoping some extramarital sex will do the job for you. Improve the health of your relationsh with your wife first, until you are both happy, satisfied, and delighted by what you have together. Then, and only then, do you have a strong and stable enough basis upon which to begin considering non-monogamy.
 
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NY Cindie and the others have given you a the advice you need, but I can only add you need to so more research on all types of non monogamy before heading not the unknown. The first thing you will find out is that any one responsible will tell you is that it will NOT fix what is wrong with your relationship but in most cases will bring out more of the cracks.
The second thing you better figure out is how you are going to really feel once she starts to become intimate with other men. You BETTER be ok with that, and you seem unsure, before you start or this will blow you out of the water in a New York second.
Too many people go in unprepared and try to "wing it", which make disaster more likely
 
But now I am seeking advice, primarily from women I would assume, on if you were in her position, would you want to know about my past fling? Would it add anything? Would it heal and make you feel better? I worry there may be some backslide on trust for her, but I am willing to accept that and rebuild if it will put her in a better place.

Every person is different. But I would want to know. It also kinda sounds like maybe the walls went up in the first place from emotional distance or lack of emotional honesty?

If you are rebuilding now to Open to others... perhaps that is opportunity to step back and look at it beyond just her.

Like....

"I worry there may be some backslide on trust for her, but I am willing to accept that and rebuild if it will put me in a better place, her in a better place, our marriage in a better place, any potential future polyship in a better place for having improved these honesty/disclosure intrapersonal and interpersonal skills."

I can feel even in the short time we've been exploring this that those walls are coming down and those feelings are going away.

Well, could keep talking and sharing then. Could risk sharing this too. So far the outcome sounds like it has been good.

I think you guys could do more learning together and talking together before fully Opening so you make sure you begin from the strongest foundation possible. Avoid pitfalls. Talk about coping with poly hell. That kind of stuff.

Maybe these help some in your talks:

http://www.practicalpolyamory.com/downloadabledocuments.html
http://www.kathylabriola.com/articles
http://openingup.net/resources/free-downloads-from-opening-up/
http://www.serolynne.com/polyamory.htm
http://www.morethantwo.com/

GL!
Galagirl
 
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