Talking About Opening Up

DownSouth

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Hey everybody,
New here. Not sure if "polyamorous" is the right term for our situation but I hoped a group of people like this would be a good sounding board regardless.

My girlfriend and I have been together going on 7 years now, since high school, and did a lot of growing up together in that time. She had a couple of boyfriends before me and one "serious" relationship where I had only one short-term girlfriend in high school and had never been with anyone else.

My girlfriend is pansexual (though especially interested in women) and I have known this about her as long as we have been together. It's been a recognized part of her, but she has never been involved romantically or otherwise with any other girls/women.

The idea of opening our/her relationship up with other women has been brought up, ranging from jokes to half-serious conversations, but we never really pursued it. A little while ago I brought the conversation up again and we talked a little more seriously about it and now it seems something we are more interested in. We talked a little bit about boundaries and expectations (as much as you can when you're making an imaginary third person out of a vague idea).

Essentially we are both interested and open to the idea of her being involved with another girl in some form and her being the leading factor (ie. primarily based on her interests, etc.) and me being involved but less so. I would not pursue other people and we would sort of mutually be involved with the imaginary third. We have just moved to a new area, are established in our lives, and know few people around us so it's not like there's a particular person we are talking about yet.

We are not sure yet of exactly what we are looking for - a hook up, a more formal relationship, or just an extra-close friend to spend time with and do things together. We are not looking to take advantage of everybody so any arrangement depends on our feelings plus a potential third person's and what we feel is right.

So far we don't know that we're even going to do anything about it but I know she is actively looking at at least some level (with my full knowledge) and we are not sure exactly how far we want to go if at all - probably just starting by looking for interesting people in our area to hang out with.

We are both kind of excited but cautious about the idea but we also know how hard it is to find a willing third for any sort of arrangement like this and we are not using it to fill a hole in our relationship so if it doesn't happen we will let it go. We're also aware of and cautious about "unicorn hunter" stereotypes because we don't want to objectify or dehumanize anybody or put expectations on them of an object to fulfill our desires.

Just looking for some advice on how to handle potentially awkward new situations and what to keep in mind as we keep talking about and considering this.

Thanks
 
Down South,

I’m going to tell you something because it seems so many men in your position are totally naive. It amazes me.

You are talking about your wife or gf having a sexual relationship with girls as well as you. OK, great. So that means she is open to both sexes, and guess what??? So will at least some of her potential partners.

So if you’re OK with this great. Go for it. But your discussions should include what happens if one of her relationships has a cute boyfriend or husband and she winds up in a threesome with him included. It happens and if you think it can’t that’s what I mean by naive so just make sure you get all the cards on the table on what you are OK switch from the beginning, not after you discover she has been having sex with other men too.

I have have missed it but I thought your post states that you are only talking about relationships with women.
 
Hello DownSouth,

I think the key things here are to take it very slowly, and let things move along naturally. That is, don't try to rush/force it. You will need time to get used to your future third and her boundaries, just as she will need time to get used to yours. So far it sounds like you are approaching things with a level head, and that is a good sign. Keep posting here, and let us know how things are going.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Down South,

I’m going to tell you something because it seems so many men in your position are totally naive. It amazes me.

You are talking about your wife or gf having a sexual relationship with girls as well as you. OK, great. So that means she is open to both sexes, and guess what??? So will at least some of her potential partners.

So if you’re OK with this great. Go for it. But your discussions should include what happens if one of her relationships has a cute boyfriend or husband and she winds up in a threesome with him included. It happens and if you think it can’t that’s what I mean by naive so just make sure you get all the cards on the table on what you are OK switch from the beginning, not after you discover she has been having sex with other men too.

I have have missed it but I thought your post states that you are only talking about relationships with women.

I appreciate the concern and the new perspective to consider problems but this is not something I'm concerned about. We are not talking about opening up to whoever, but about the potential to open a line of communication about new experiences. We are not yet sure If we are even going forward with anything, but if we do it Will all be considered and put out in the open with all participants being able to stop any behavior that makes them uncomfortable. Under those circumstances, what you caution happening would constitute cheating in our relationship and that's clear to both of us.

I'm not going to deny that it can happen but it would be no different than any infidelity in our current relationship and I'm not sure being open to an additional member changes that possibility for better or worse. We wouldn't even be having the conversation if we didn't trust each other to keep everybody's feelings in mind
 
Essentially we are both interested and open to the idea of her being involved with another girl in some form and her being the leading factor (ie. primarily based on her interests, etc.) and me being involved but less so. I would not pursue other people and we would sort of mutually be involved with the imaginary third.

I don't know what that means.

  • Does that mean your GF gets a new GF, and you also date her?
  • Or you don't date the new GF but join them sometimes for sex threesomes?
  • Or your GF goes out to find people to bring home for both of you to bang in a casual sex thing. Not dating or girlfriend-ing or anything. Just no strings attached sex?
  • Or GF finds a new GF, and you try on cuckholding?
  • Something else?

I suggest you get clear on what you are seeking because you have to tell the potential what the offer on the table actually IS. Talking in this vague way is not going to go anywhere. Or it will lead to a lot of misunderstandings because Person A thinks the group is doing one thing, and person B thinks it is another and person C is caught in the middle of the argument.

I would suggest your GF date women on her own. You NOT be involved. Because then it is just one "V" with GF being the hinge or shared sweetie.

When you become involved a triad, that is 3 V's stacked up together.

  • GF is a hinge, involved with the other two.
  • You are a hinge, involved with the other two.
  • 3rd person is a hinge, involved with the other two.

It's an intense model, and it isn't one I would try on first. Find out if you can handle one "plain V" first before piling on more of them.

I think you guys could also do more reading. Maybe these might help.

http://openingup.net/resources/free-downloads-from-opening-up/

http://www.practicalpolyamory.com/downloadabledocuments.html

http://www.kathylabriola.com/articles

https://www.morethantwo.com/

Also talk about how this will END.... even if it ends up everyone single.

IMHO, people who can talk about it ALL usually do better. People who assume that if the experiment can go back to "original couple like before" get some surprises. Sometimes the original couple does not stay together. Or if they do, the experience changes them and they aren't those same people any more. Maybe they don't see each other in the same light any more either.

Like DH and I talked about skipping kids and just doing adult life when we were in our 20's. Then we decided to have some several years later and raise them. When they all move out in future? We get to do a new thing called empty nest. It might just be us two in the house again but we can never go back to being "adult couple sans kids" again. We changed.

I think a couple who tried poly might go back to practicing Closed or Monogamy... but it's not the same as never having opened the box.

So go slow, and really think this through.

As for dating people? GF could just be honest and up front that she's interested in some lady for romance/sex/whatever it is she's looking for. But state it more CLEARLY. And let the potential know that she's in an Open relationship with you.

The lady will be up for the offer on the table or not, but at least your GF is giving full info so the potential can make a fully informed decision.

HTH!
Galagirl
 
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