The Poly Adventure is Just Beginning

So, you feel that Mabel will probably be okay with you seeing Penny, eventually ... it's just a matter of time? (and/or just a matter of getting Mabel to see reason) or are we talking hypotheticals here (i.e., what if Mabel would accept it, if only Mabel would accept it)?

I definitely don't think monogamy is something you can live happily.
 
So, you feel that Mabel will probably be okay with you seeing Penny, eventually ... it's just a matter of time? (and/or just a matter of getting Mabel to see reason) or are we talking hypotheticals here (i.e., what if Mabel would accept it, if only Mabel would accept it)?

I definitely don't think monogamy is something you can live happily.

I'm talking hypotheticals. At this point, I'm getting downright flustered, though. I feel like the course I should take is right before me, but Mabel just won't sign off on it for reasons that don't even stem from this. They're just general fears and warnings she's getting without really thinking through this. And she just won't think beyond that. Half the stuff she's worried about probably wouldn't even happen. Or if it did happen, it's not because of something I'm doing but because of her worrying. Being ethical just doesn't seem to be making a difference. I won't say it's for the birds just yet, but it might be for the squirrels because it's nuts.

It's my problem, my solution, and my responsibility to not screw it up. I feel like I should just be allowed to deal with it privately and discreetly on my own without attracting too much attention. If this is going to end in divorce either way, I'd feel better knowing I tried to do it this way than take it laying down.

I read an article earlier today about how a utilitarian might justify cheating and it kind of seems like the angle I'm taking. This is a solution to a problem that's given me a little grief until recently, when it began to give me a LOT of grief. That's hasn't felt so healthy for me. If I'm not healthy and I'm not feeling good about myself because I'm having to live in a way that maybe isn't the best for me, then that's going to negatively affect the rest of the family. I'm not at my best under those conditions.

If I can fix that by doing something unethical that won't alter how I feel about Mabel or our marriage (or possibly improve it), then it seems logical that I would do it. Mabel could be very hurt by this, even though her justification for being hurt is rooted more in speculation than reality. So the potential for pleasure (aka benefits for the common good) through my well-being and my increased ability to be a better husband and father-to-be is greater, IMO, than the real (not the imagined) potential for pain. If I'm in better shape, I'll be a better husband to my wife and she'll feel better and we'll both be better parents to our kid, who will be a better citizen in the world. Plus, Penny would also benefit from my cheating because her husband isn't very sexual and I'm able to be there for her and be a good friend for her.

Then again, Mabel may never be convinced that I'm doing this for the greater good and will still be devastated, despite my intentions. This could permanently affect our relationship, which will affect how we parent our child, which will affect all the people they will encounter in their life. That would not be good.
 
Yes. The only way being unethical and cheating would work is if you never, ever got caught, or for that matter if Mabel never even suspects you might be cheating. When you get caught it all goes even worse than the situation now with the addition that you have proved that you are untrustworthy to both the women you love and any children you may have by then.

Leetah
 
Hey - you're having a tough time. Sounds confusing and frustrating. I think that in your shoes the circumstances would make me unwilling to label myself as mono or poly or make any big life changes.

If I'm reading things correctly?

My reading is that in May of this year (about 4 months ago) your wife suggested an open relationship as a way of ending a marriage that she wasn't happy in.

You met someone. Your wife quickly became uncomfortable with it and decided she wanted to stay together.

Your wife is now 13 weeks (about 3 months) pregnant.

Your marriage was struggling and now you guys are going to add a stressful, demanding and sleep removing pressure into that situation in the form of a new human who will be utterly dependent on you.

Meanwhile you, the father, are worrying about your romantic life.

Do you not think that it would be easier on everyone for you and your wife to work things out between you? Either co-parent while broken up or commit to working on your marriage and stay together. Then - once that is done you can worry about romance.

IP
 
Pregnancy is hard. Having your first newborn is SUPER hard. This extra stress on Mabel regarding potential 'infidelity' could potentially cause damage. High levels of stress are damaging. I'm only saying this so severely to make you really think...this is a new life, a new person you are bringing into the world. He or she has to be your upmost priority. The life of the mother in pregnancy can determine the health of your baby.

I understand you have needs, I do get it. But your pregnant wife needs to be the highest priority. So be open with her. Would she rather you cheat behind her back, or do it openly? If you're determined to be with Penny, ask your wife if she'd rather stay with you or leave you while you do it. If you're going to do it regardless then she deserves a choice really. What would make her happiest...what would give her the least stress? I'm assuming she's still working through her pregnancy? She's the main breadwinner right?

I'm all for people living their authentic lives. But I'm more for pregnant women being safe and as stress free as possible because I know how the health of the mother can affect a baby.
 
If you are poly, you'll know that there are other compatible people out there. Concentrate on your wife and child for now, get your child into the world safely and securely, and then think about your relationship style later on. Yes, that does mean letting go of Penny, but there are plenty of fish in the sea. If Penny is really meant for you, she'll still be around in a year or two.

First things first, stop trying to convince your wife to permit polyamory. She does not want it at this time and it isn't the right time for her to be making those types of life-changing decisions.
 
Mabel could be very hurt by this, even though her justification for being hurt is rooted more in speculation than reality.

But if you go through with seeing Penny behind her back, her justification will be rooted in reality. TBH, the fact that you're tossing this around in your head is enough to show that her immediate fears aren't just speculation, either.

Having the trust in your partner betrayed is a huge thing, and can be difficult, if not impossible, to recover from. Going in with the mentality of, "if we're going to divorce, I may as well do it," seems to be guaranteed to cause a catastrophic breakdown if/when you're discovered.

Add pregnancy to the mix, and this has potential to go very poorly.

I agree with the others - pregnancy and stress is a bad combo. Maybe it's time to shelve it in favor of the baby's (and Mabel's) health, and again Mabel's health and well-being once the baby is born for a few months (infants are wonderful, but they are emotionally and physically DRAINING at times - this will not be the best time to have a coherent conversation about breakfast, nevermind poly or divorce).

I'm not going to say the Magic Baby Fairy will swoop in and change everything, but people can change with parenthood at times (or at least, discover new things about themselves). You may find that you want to stay around and "nest" for a while. Probably best not to mess with that possibility by betraying her trust right now.
 
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Yes. The only way being unethical and cheating would work is if you never, ever got caught, or for that matter if Mabel never even suspects you might be cheating. When you get caught it all goes even worse than the situation now with the addition that you have proved that you are untrustworthy to both the women you love and any children you may have by then.

Leetah

Very true. Yesterday, I was mainly just very frustrated with things and pondered the ramifications of injecting a little 'cowboy diplomacy' into the situation. I don't know that I'd actually go through with it--at least not to the fullest degree (which would be physical contact).

(Thank you for replying!)
 
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Hey - you're having a tough time. Sounds confusing and frustrating. I think that in your shoes the circumstances would make me unwilling to label myself as mono or poly or make any big life changes.

I feel like monogamy itself makes it hard to label myself anything. At this point, I think it's safe to say I'm not taking to monogamy too well. It feels restrictive and non-monogamy feels freeing. I can only make conclusions based on those facts.

If I'm reading things correctly?

My reading is that in May of this year (about 4 months ago) your wife suggested an open relationship as a way of ending a marriage that she wasn't happy in.

You met someone. Your wife quickly became uncomfortable with it and decided she wanted to stay together.

Technically, I decided to stay together because I never knew we were splitting through the open relationship. I thought we were doing it so we wouldn't split, but we wouldn't keep being miserable. I knew my wife was unhappy, but not to the point that she was trying to leave. My thought was that she was doing this to avoid leaving.

Your wife is now 13 weeks (about 3 months) pregnant.

Your marriage was struggling and now you guys are going to add a stressful, demanding and sleep removing pressure into that situation in the form of a new human who will be utterly dependent on you.

Meanwhile you, the father, are worrying about your romantic life.

Do you not think that it would be easier on everyone for you and your wife to work things out between you? Either co-parent while broken up or commit to working on your marriage and stay together. Then - once that is done you can worry about romance.

If I could put this off for a while, I would. Right now, it just seems untenable to leave this open-ended until the baby comes and gets settled into being in the world. Maybe I need to work on finding better ways of treading water right now instead of frying the bigger fish?


I appreciate your insight. Thank you for sharing your perspective. :)
 
Pregnancy is hard. Having your first newborn is SUPER hard. This extra stress on Mabel regarding potential 'infidelity' could potentially cause damage. High levels of stress are damaging. I'm only saying this so severely to make you really think...this is a new life, a new person you are bringing into the world. He or she has to be your upmost priority. The life of the mother in pregnancy can determine the health of your baby.

I understand you have needs, I do get it. But your pregnant wife needs to be the highest priority. So be open with her. Would she rather you cheat behind her back, or do it openly? If you're determined to be with Penny, ask your wife if she'd rather stay with you or leave you while you do it. If you're going to do it regardless then she deserves a choice really. What would make her happiest...what would give her the least stress? I'm assuming she's still working through her pregnancy? She's the main breadwinner right?

I have a feeling that me being monogamous would give her the least stress. However, it would stress me out and that would probably stress her out. Would that be more stress than having me openly cheat with her approval or doing it behind her back? Who knows? I know I can't control how she feels, but I just feel like if I'm not having to deal with this stress, I'll be in a better position to throw all my energy into everything--the pregnancy, the marriage, Penny. It's a rush when I feel like everything's being thrown at me and I'm able to handle it and enjoy it. It feels like I'm the world's most mundane swashbuckler, fending off any adverse situation or foe.

I'm all for people living their authentic lives. But I'm more for pregnant women being safe and as stress free as possible because I know how the health of the mother can affect a baby.

We go to the doctor in a few hours to see how things are going. I'm just nervous that we're going to just get in the exam room and see a lifeless mass on the screen that hasn't grown since the last visit instead of a thriving, peaceful little person-to-be. All this time, I've felt like it's possible for things to have been so bad that it would kill our baby, but maybe that's how out of it I am? :(

(Thanks for replying!)
 
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If you are poly, you'll know that there are other compatible people out there. Concentrate on your wife and child for now, get your child into the world safely and securely, and then think about your relationship style later on. Yes, that does mean letting go of Penny, but there are plenty of fish in the sea. If Penny is really meant for you, she'll still be around in a year or two.

Even though my urge is to keep fishing even if I have to throw Penny back, I do really want to hold out for her. She always made it clear that if Mabel ever changed her mind that she'd be waiting. I'll be honest...I'm afraid I'll forget her because I got tired of fighting and I'll succumb to pro-monogamy brainwashing and falling back into line. I don't want to do that.

First things first, stop trying to convince your wife to permit polyamory. She does not want it at this time and it isn't the right time for her to be making those types of life-changing decisions.

Hmm.

(Thanks for replying!)
 
Even though my urge is to keep fishing even if I have to throw Penny back, I do really want to hold out for her. She always made it clear that if Mabel ever changed her mind that she'd be waiting. I'll be honest...I'm afraid I'll forget her because I got tired of fighting and I'll succumb to pro-monogamy brainwashing and falling back into line. I don't want to do that.



Hmm.

(Thanks for replying!)

Right now, you have a really big commitment on the way, the child you helped to create. Everything has to be secondary to that in my opinion.
 
I'm afraid I'll forget her because I got tired of fighting and I'll succumb to pro-monogamy brainwashing and falling back into line. I don't want to do that.

If you truly find that you want to nest a bit and *be* monogamous for a while after the baby's born, is that succumbing to brainwashing?

I wouldn't read that much into it. You're going to want to spend time/energy on that new little one (and you should spend time/energy on helping Mabel out), and that's okay.

I think you overestimate the amount of energy you'll have once the baby's born. Sleep deprivation is an evil, nasty thing that turns sane people completely cuckoo. "Nap when the baby naps" is a common and REAL mantra.
 
But if you go through with seeing Penny behind her back, her justification will be rooted in reality. TBH, the fact that you're tossing this around in your head is enough to show that her immediate fears aren't just speculation, either.

Her fears are that I won't love her anymore, abandon her, and make her feel cheap through this. None of that would be a reality if I'm with Penny or not and there's nothing about my specific proposal that would facilitate that. If anything, there's several measures to protect against those things. The problem is that she's not really looking at those as much as she is her initial gut reaction.

Having the trust in your partner betrayed is a huge thing, and can be difficult, if not impossible, to recover from. Going in with the mentality of, "if we're going to divorce, I may as well do it," seems to be guaranteed to cause a catastrophic breakdown if/when you're discovered.

Add pregnancy to the mix, and this has potential to go very poorly.

My concern is that if this goes unresolved, then the stress on my end will build and cause friction that rivals for Mabel the stress of having me cheat on her. Maybe this is an unfounded fear on my part? I just feel I would be better equipped to handle if I'm at my best as opposed to feeling defeated and stressed myself. Maybe it's a fantasy that I need to take care of myself before I can take care of my family?

I agree with the others - pregnancy and stress is a bad combo. Maybe it's time to shelve it in favor of the baby's (and Mabel's) health, and again Mabel's health and well-being once the baby is born for a few months (infants are wonderful, but they are emotionally and physically DRAINING at times - this will not be the best time to have a coherent conversation about breakfast, nevermind poly or divorce).

I can definitely see this. Around the time we discovered we were pregnant, a co-worker of mine and his wife had recently had a miscarriage. When they conceived, they were also having some issues related to fidelity that the wife had instigated. I don't know if that's just a coincidence or if it's something that many women experience shortly before they become pregnant. (Is it related to ovulation?) Regardless, it exposed something in our marriage that can't just be ignored. Should it be ignored for now? Possibly. I'm not looking forward to it, but I'm seeing how it might be necessary nonetheless just to insure a safe delivery of the baby.

I'm not going to say the Magic Baby Fairy will swoop in and change everything, but people can change with parenthood at times (or at least, discover new things about themselves). You may find that you want to stay around and "nest" for a while. Probably best not to mess with that possibility by betraying her trust right now.

I agree about the betrayal part and I can see the part about wanting to nest. Ultimately, I do want my child to grow up in a healthy home where Mabel and I are his parents, we love each other, and we all have healthy relationships with each other--even if Mom and Dad don't have a traditional marital arrangement. I also imagine that Mabel might feel slightly more relieved when the baby arrives and she doesn't have to worry about the life inside her anymore. (Of course, I'm aware what the transition of 'not caring about the life inside her' could entail in itself and I would most DEFINITELY need to support her through that.)

As always, thanks for your insights. :) I've decided that I do need to give more thought to the baby and Mabel than I have been, but I'm still not sure I can completely ignore my needs, either. Regardless, I'm slated to see the therapist (finally heard back from him) tomorrow evening.
 
I think you overestimate the amount of energy you'll have once the baby's born. Sleep deprivation is an evil, nasty thing that turns sane people completely cuckoo. "Nap when the baby naps" is a common and REAL mantra.

No, I know this is going to happen. That's why I'm so intent on getting this ish straightened out now so I'm not dealing with the stress from this and the stress from the baby. However, maybe you're onto something and I'll just want to focus on the little one so much that the stress from monogamy will just go away for a bit.
 
Her fears are that I won't love her anymore, abandon her, and make her feel cheap through this. None of that would be a reality if I'm with Penny or not and there's nothing about my specific proposal that would facilitate that. If anything, there's several measures to protect against those things. The problem is that she's not really looking at those as much as she is her initial gut reaction.

Her fears are entirely justified…to her. You are choosing not to see things from her perspective, just as much as she is choosing to not see it from yours. So let's break this down.

1) She worries you won't love her anymore. You think this is nonsense because you do love her. But if the way that she FEELS loved and the way in which she receives love (and possibly the way she gives love too) are tied up with sexual and emotional exclusivity, then she is entirely correct. You dating Penny will unequivocally be demonstration of the fact that you no longer love her in the special way in which she is used to being loved. People express and receive love in different ways. She is clearly telling you that she won't feel loved by you anymore if you pursue this course of action, and instead of hearing that, you are trying to argue the toss with her. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how strongly someone feels love for me in their heart, if they never tell me, never show me, never communicate that to me in a way that I can understand, then I'll never feel it.

2) She worries that you will abandon her. You think this is impossible because you have already decided you would only see Penny when Mabel is at work, and possibly occasionally for a day or two over the weekend. But she's about to have a baby. She's not going to be at work on a Wednesday, and if she is, then presumably you are going to be left holding the baby. There's nothing romantic and sexy about being covered in vomit, so you are going to have to find time outside of that to be with Penny. So you think to yourself, well, I'm only gone for a night at the weekend, that's not much, right? Wrong. There will be times where she needs you and you will not be there. Maybe the kid runs out of nappies in the middle of the night. Maybe she feels unwell. Even if you hop in the car immediately and drive home, you are out of state. You are not going to be there when she needs you. And whilst maybe that's not your definition of abandonment, you cannot change the fact that in taking on a new relationship when you should be wanting to throw your full weight behind the most important new relationship of your life (the one with your child), you are spreading yourself thinner than you ever have before. In her shoes, hell yeah, I'd be worried. Add in the fact that you're new to poly (so will fuck up until you learn better), new to parenting (so will fuck up until you learn better), and that you and she weren't doing so great with each other before this fiasco started (so you have fucked up already, and are still figuring out why and how to fix it), and I'm not surprised she's refusing to even entertain the thought of this.

3) She worries she will feel cheap in all this. You don't see anything shameful about sharing your partner with another person, so you think this is silly. But again, you don't get to change how she feels about a thing. You also don't get to control how other people interpret this. If her friends and family, upon hearing about you and Penny, start to pity her, there's nothing you can do about it. If people on the street start to gossip and THEY think you're stepping out on your wife because she's not satisfying you in the bedroom, there's nothing you can do about it. But those things are going to impact her, and the way she feels about herself in a myriad of ways. Even if you all keep this whole thing a secret (not recommended, by the way) it sounds like you having another girlfriend makes HER feel like you don't think she's enough. And the hard cold truth of it is, she might not be. Rather than deny that she should feel that way, why not acknowledge the truth that's there? Yes, other people may think less of her because of your choices. Yes, she is not enough for you, but then no one is, because what you crave is variety (or whatever your actual feelings on this matter are).

In short, dismissing her fears as trivial when they actually have a sound basis is a douche move. I think the saddest bit about all of this is that instead of falling in love with your new baby, bonding with Mabel, and enjoying all of the possibilities the future might hold for your new family, you are mooning over someone else. Your comments about how you would take the baby off her hands, and that Penny was fine with kiddo coming over with you sometimes, suggests you may have completely missed the point of what this journey into parenthood means to Mabel. I bet if you asked her what this baby means to her, you would find that she doesn't just want you to take the kid off her hands now and then, but for the pair of you to raise it TOGETHER. The idea of another woman, a woman she may well dislike, looking after her kid is NOT the kind of support she needs. It's a baby, not a bloody time-share.
 
....maybe you're onto something and I'll just want to focus on the little one so much that the stress from monogamy will just go away for a bit.

To me, poly and new born babies don't exist in the same universe, let alone in the same life. The only way I can imagine a baby fitting well with poly is where the adults have a long established, stable and emotionally rock solid situation and all involved are happy about the new member of the family. Babies are enormous energy vortices that you can't possibly fathom until you're living with one for weeks on end. Then that baby turns into a toddler and your life is challenged in ways you never dreamed possible. Add to that, a female partner who is going through her own physical and emotional changes. Add to that, seismic changes in the couple relationship. I think from the outside that "poly" and the idea of a girlfriend can seem like a glittering oasis of relief and rejuvenation, but the reality of a real, live additional woman with real, live additional needs is an entirely different matter.
 
Good news is that the doctor's visit went okay in that there's still a heartbeat. First trimester's done.

Her fears are entirely justified…to her. You are choosing not to see things from her perspective, just as much as she is choosing to not see it from yours. So let's break this down.

1) She worries you won't love her anymore. You think this is nonsense because you do love her. But if the way that she FEELS loved and the way in which she receives love (and possibly the way she gives love too) are tied up with sexual and emotional exclusivity, then she is entirely correct. You dating Penny will unequivocally be demonstration of the fact that you no longer love her in the special way in which she is used to being loved. People express and receive love in different ways. She is clearly telling you that she won't feel loved by you anymore if you pursue this course of action, and instead of hearing that, you are trying to argue the toss with her. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how strongly someone feels love for me in their heart, if they never tell me, never show me, never communicate that to me in a way that I can understand, then I'll never feel it.

Surely this isn't the only way, though. I've tried to find out what other ways I can love her in a special way and even suggested that she focus on these other ways rather than sex to appreciate us more, but it didn't really go anywhere. I was able to name off several myself. I guess if they don't work for her, though, then it's no good and I can't change it.

2) She worries that you will abandon her. You think this is impossible because you have already decided you would only see Penny when Mabel is at work, and possibly occasionally for a day or two over the weekend. But she's about to have a baby. She's not going to be at work on a Wednesday, and if she is, then presumably you are going to be left holding the baby. There's nothing romantic and sexy about being covered in vomit, so you are going to have to find time outside of that to be with Penny. So you think to yourself, well, I'm only gone for a night at the weekend, that's not much, right? Wrong. There will be times where she needs you and you will not be there. Maybe the kid runs out of nappies in the middle of the night. Maybe she feels unwell. Even if you hop in the car immediately and drive home, you are out of state. You are not going to be there when she needs you. And whilst maybe that's not your definition of abandonment, you cannot change the fact that in taking on a new relationship when you should be wanting to throw your full weight behind the most important new relationship of your life (the one with your child), you are spreading yourself thinner than you ever have before. In her shoes, hell yeah, I'd be worried. Add in the fact that you're new to poly (so will fuck up until you learn better), new to parenting (so will fuck up until you learn better), and that you and she weren't doing so great with each other before this fiasco started (so you have fucked up already, and are still figuring out why and how to fix it), and I'm not surprised she's refusing to even entertain the thought of this.

I'd considered this at one point, but unsurprisingly, it's slipped my mind. This is one aspect I don't like. Likewise, if I have the baby with me and I need help, will I have to ask Penny for help? What if I'm on the road and something happens with the baby and I just need Mabel? This is a valid point. It's not just about the emotion of feeling abandoned, but just not being around.

3) She worries she will feel cheap in all this. You don't see anything shameful about sharing your partner with another person, so you think this is silly. But again, you don't get to change how she feels about a thing. You also don't get to control how other people interpret this. If her friends and family, upon hearing about you and Penny, start to pity her, there's nothing you can do about it. If people on the street start to gossip and THEY think you're stepping out on your wife because she's not satisfying you in the bedroom, there's nothing you can do about it. But those things are going to impact her, and the way she feels about herself in a myriad of ways. Even if you all keep this whole thing a secret (not recommended, by the way) it sounds like you having another girlfriend makes HER feel like you don't think she's enough. And the hard cold truth of it is, she might not be. Rather than deny that she should feel that way, why not acknowledge the truth that's there? Yes, other people may think less of her because of your choices. Yes, she is not enough for you, but then no one is, because what you crave is variety (or whatever your actual feelings on this matter are).

Being honest is what I'm trying to do more and more, but it's tough because the times I have been honest haven't really made a difference. It's not like Mabel says, "Thank you for confiding this in me rather than acting on it." She just says, "I don't know what to do, Tron. What do you want from me? I don't want to talk about it."

In short, dismissing her fears as trivial when they actually have a sound basis is a douche move.

I'm not dismissing them. I've tried to address them, but nothing I'm saying is making any difference because she's not even budging on any of it. That's not fair to me because I'm the one at odds with our current relationship shape and that gives me very little to work with in terms of a compromise. I'm pretty much just forced to be mono or be gone.


I think the saddest bit about all of this is that instead of falling in love with your new baby, bonding with Mabel, and enjoying all of the possibilities the future might hold for your new family, you are mooning over someone else.

Just because I'm not gushing over the kid here on a polyamory forum doesn't mean I'm not excited about it or anticipating it with a lot of joy. I just want to make sure this kid's got a stable-ish home when it gets here. If its old man is going crazy from this or that, then I don't see that as stable.

Your comments about how you would take the baby off her hands, and that Penny was fine with kiddo coming over with you sometimes, suggests you may have completely missed the point of what this journey into parenthood means to Mabel. I bet if you asked her what this baby means to her, you would find that she doesn't just want you to take the kid off her hands now and then, but for the pair of you to raise it TOGETHER. The idea of another woman, a woman she may well dislike, looking after her kid is NOT the kind of support she needs. It's a baby, not a bloody time-share.

Point taken.

Thanks for replying!
 
I've decided that I do need to give more thought to the baby and Mabel than I have been, but I'm still not sure I can completely ignore my needs, either.
This made me a little nauseous when I read it.

Why would you even dare to think that directing your concerns and focus to the baby and the mother of your baby is something separate from "your needs?" You're the fucking father! Those are exactly your needs. If you don't realize that, you shouldn't ever have risked getting your wife pregnant. And here you are whining and complaining that you can't have another romantic relationship. I think you need to grow up and think about what kind of father you are going to be. Honestly, the arrogance and irresponsibility is maddening, and frustrating to read again and again and again.
 
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So, the options you're considering are,

  • divorce,
  • stay married and live monogamously (and unhappily),
  • convince Mabel to let you see Penny (is this a real option?),
  • cheat (see Penny without telling Mabel).
Seeing Penny with Mabel's knowledge but without Mabel's go-ahead might be a hypothetical option, but I don't think it's an option you're considering. (Or is it)

Are there any other options besides the ones I've listed? How will you make a decision of which one to do?
 
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