The slow regaurd of silent things

wakenbakeOvO

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So first off, Hello everyone! I apologize in advance for my sub par spelling and grammar structure. Thank you all for being with me through this interesting time in my life.. So I am not sure how to start this blog or where it will go from here but I feel as if writing down my thoughts really helps me work through my feelings.. So lets begin at the beginning. Just to recap a few things please read my post on the introduction page to get caught up in my life.

At the beginning of time there was a big bang. Lol no but seriously lets start with my childhood. So I grew up as the middle child raised by a single mother. My father was a drug abuser and alcoholic. So needless to say he never really was involved in my life. I still think that my brothers were the only reason I made it through my childhood. It was kind of rough growing up so poor but I do think it has made into the man I am today. I was definitely the black sheep growing up. I had a lot of anger problems and I didn't know how to handle them properly. I struggled with self identity and where I fit in the world. There were rough times like my step father beating me or going hungry because my mother left us to live with her boyfriend. As far back as I can remember my mother always had a man in her life. Some were good some not so much. But I never really grew up having a real father figure in my life. But I dally. Needless to say that there was joy and strife in my adolescent years, but for now I'd like to jump ahead to middle school. This is where the plot thickens.

So During my last year of middle school (8th grade) my mother said she could no longer take care of us and sent us off to live with my aunt.. My mom needed to figure out how to take care of herself which I understand now as an adult. But in the throws of my preteen years I was shook up. I moved schools and that really sucked but this actually would change my life forever. This is where I met my soulmate and the future love of my life. Let us give her a name. For all great things require great names. Let us call her Bunny. I made Bunny in the 8th grade right before the end of the school year. I can still to this day remember the first time I saw her. She was so beautiful I remember staring at her as she just casually walked down the hallway. She was goth/emo. Which I was really into and found very attractive. I instantly had to pursue her. I remember texting her and liking her right off the back. Unfortunately after just a brief time with her my life became rather more complicated. My mother came back.

She just called out of the blue and said she was coming to get us and we were going to be moving several states away. close to 2000 miles away. So our time was cut short. Let us divert from the story for just a moment. and explain just a few things about bunny. She is my primary partner and we are currently just at the beginning of us opening up the relationship. In a lot of ways bunny's childhood was a lot like mine just in reverse in a few ways. Alas her story is not mine to tell. But I will tell you bunny has always had an interest in sex with many partners. When she was younger she took many lovers to bed while we were only friends (myself included). The entire time I lived away from her. We remained friends although I must say we did blow up at each other once in a while. buuut. She has very open ideas about what love is and can be. She feels very comfortable with pleasure in sex in all of its mysterious forms. She opened my ideas to what sex could be and without her. I would still feel ashamed about my BDSM ideas and a few other intimate pleasures. XD

So back to my backstory. I am sorry if I jump around to much. So life moves on and bunny and I remain friends.. Which is good for us. Neither of us were ready to settle down. I get a job. Graduate high school. find an apartment and move out of my aunts house. ( I actually ended up moving back in with my aunt after my life became to hostile and destructive with my mother). We go without talking for about seven or eight months. Then one night while working at a gas station she comes in to buy a pack of smokes. and it turned out that we lived in the same apartment complex. So we start seeing each other right away. Within two months I had asked her to move in and actually preposed within the first year.

Now we have had plenty of issues over the last five years. Some of them more intense than others. We dealt with her cheating on me. Which I should maybe explain a little more. So about one year into the relationship she expressed that she was interested in an open relationship. I found the thought of her with another woman extremely arousing, but made me sick at the same time. So I told her that I didn't want to be a part of it in the least. I didn't want to know who it was, when anything happened or any part of their relationship. Well one of our friends fell on hard times and her and her partner moved into our apartment temporarily. Well I awoke one night and found the three of them on the couch while the woman was fingering my wife and the husband watched. Needless to say I had a pretty basic human freak out. I felt betrayed and stupid for not seeing this. That I was the last person to know. That I was asleep in the next room and that they did what they did. It took time but I chose to stay with Bunny and before I knew.. We were fast friends again.

This is where I ran into second troubles. I do not mean to paint myself as the perfect partner. I had a bad habit of lying to Bunny about many many things. I told her I had cancer (a lie) and that I had money saved (I didn't), It took a long time but it created tension inside our relationship. It was a long time before we could really have open honest communication. This is still something I struggle with on a daily bases. Now I try to practice 100% truth and honesty inside my relationship and life all together. But all the while we remained mono. I also struggle in the sex department. I have come a long way with Bunny but when we met I was not nearly experienced enough.. I also struggle with long bouts of low to no sex drive. This has always been a fairly large struggle within our relationship. Like I mentioned earlier Bunny has always enjoyed sex with men and women. a lot. So while being with me she endured having one partner who still discovering his sexuality but also did not enjoy making love nearly as much.

She introduced me to the BDSM culture and once we began talking about it. I came to realize not only was this stuff not weird. but really turned me on as well. I enjoy toping a lot and it has added much pleasure and wonder to our relationship.. But two things that do not go together in my opinion are BDSM and alcoholism. We both come from families where alcoholism runs on both sides. I started drinking together heavily once I turned twenty one. I began to drink every night and then every day. then every morning. It slowly seeped into my life and infected me. Changed me into someone who I didn't like. I drank from sun up sun down. I drank before work and after work. It nearly killed me. As this is the first time I tell my story to everyone I will not focus on Bunny during this time in my life. As my alcoholism is mine. I will not tell another's story. It was a hard time for us though. But I am happy to announce that I am now very much sober. I currently am still in my first year and I struggle very hard with it. But I choose to not drink one day at a time. and that is all I will say about that.

So that covers all the way up to current day us. We are in our fifth year of our engagement and sixth year of being together. She came to me about two months ago and told me she had created a fetlife account where she talked to men. She told me she deleted it and that she had went to far. Then I noticed her sleeping on the couch more and staying up late. Bunny does not lie. She has never really lied to me once in her life. and She prides herself on being honest with everyone in her life. So I asked her one day while we were both at work if she was still seeing anyone else. She admitted she had been talking to someone. And it was a man. She told me she needed this. That she was growing and changing and that she needed this in her life. I being a mono person who I am. I never once imagined her being with another person. It made me feel ill and go sweaty in the face.

So if you read my introduction post you will be all caught up to my current day situation. To catch you up on a few current developments. We had a discussion about who it is. It is her ex boyfriend. She and he were on and off for almost three years. I struggle with this. Because their connection is so strong. So developed. She told me that is mostly about the sex connection they share. We are talking a lot. So much to the point of over talking it. Which I have read is a common mistake in new poly relations. Bunny also has admitted that she slowly opening herself up to the idea of me being with another woman. I thought maybe something long distance may help her come to terms with it easier. I have to say that the thought of finding something as new and exciting as what she has to be exciting myself. Which makes me worry that I want it out of spite. I am still struggling with the idea of them actually having sex. But this is normal I suppose and in an abstact way it is arousing. Her pleasure that is.

Last thought before I post. The sex since she came out has been incredible. Is this normal? I don't know why but I have super eager as a lover. I suppose this is because I want her attention. I just hope that this doesn't fade over time.


Anyways I will be posting on here frequently as our relationship continues. Maybe as often as daily about some of my thoughts and feelings about this. If anyone has questions I'd be happy to answer.
 
I too struggle with low sex drive and found that the BDSM drew it out.

Thank you for the transparency in that last post. Great start. Looking forward to hearing more.
 
LOL regarding your title: I hope Patrick Rothfuss finishes the third book soon!! Or ever!
 
Book three

IKR! I know so much new content is coming. But I just feel like a spurned lover about this third book. I have gone from loving him, hating him, to just a resigned ache for book three. From that first page of book one I was enchanted till the very end of book two! I have so many questions!
 
Update! Second date time!

Alright as I am sitting to write this Bunny is getting ready for a date with.. lets give him a name... The Lumberjack ( Bahaha inside joke. Lets just say.. Bunny has a type). So bunny is getting ready to go on a unplanned second date with the Lumberjack. Cue irrational fears. I have to say I did a good job beating these down. we talked about what made me feel anxious. And worked through it without ruining the day. Bunny and I actually got to spend the entire day together. Which I found very nice. We talked about what we both felt comfortable with for her first second date. To be honest I am still hung up on penetration sex. Which I know is very dumb and caveman like of me. But I am working on this. But we kept talking. I was able to think of him pleasuring her with his hands. I felt nothing wrong with her pleasuring him with her mouth.. And after much talking and communications we came to agree that her sex life was hers. It does not belong to me. I have since the original post rescinded all but the condoms rule. I am really trying and putting in work to make this work. for all parties involved.

We enjoyed a lunch out on the town together. which was a rare treat for us. We talked about communication boundaries as well. Side note. I Just want to say what a wealth of information this website it. It makes me feel like I am not going through this by myself.

I will most likely make another post after she leaves when I am in my feelings. But we will see. But I enjoyed my time with her today. We were even able to bond and grow closer through my strife and emotions.
 
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Update. And in my feelings

So first off I should make you aware o reader that I have just sent my partner off to have sex for the first time. My feelings are very raw right now.. I find it easy to lean into my basic way of thinking. Now it is key to the story that I catch you up on a few serious developments. As it is they who are at the root of my current conflict.

So today I had a long talk with Bunny. The result of this talk ended up in me rescinding all of my original rules for the relationship but two. I still don't like the idea of her having unprotected sex with a partner yet. And I am not ready for her to spend a night away from me. I don't think either of the rules will stay but this is so fresh for me.. I just need time..

So that means I today I gave Bunny permission to sleep with another man. We even bought condoms. (This guy has to be packing XD) I don't want to lie and say this is not a tough thing to say. But I am trying to thing expanded thoughts right now. Nothing about our relationship is being taken away. We are just adding something. Which is exciting. I can say that with certainty.

So the second thing you must understand is that today Bunny let me know that she is ready to support me seeing another woman. I have to say that I am very clouded on this emotionally. Bunny and I spoke about this a few days ago. I had some clarity and stated that polyamory is something that has always been a tabled issue for us. Whether we knew it or not. This is something that I have been working through for a long time. For her. She has never really thought about me becoming poly. So this has been a big adjustment for her. So I don't know if I want to see another woman. I don't like to think that she would just say this to me because everything I told her today. That just feels like a petty thought. She wouldn't do that. I guess the real question is. Do I want to see another partner? I really don't know the answer to that. Maybe. I am not sure what I even want.. So I am dealing with that as well.


Okay enough of recaps. Back to the main storyline. So I helped her pick out her outfit today. We bought a whole new outfit then got home. And put on something else. Changed three times bahaha. I could tell that she was very nervous. IMO the guy was kind of being a dick about when he was coming to get her... But it seemed to turn her on so I am okay with that :) I used her favorite lotion and covered her in it. She looked so beautiful.. I am so wrestling with my basic thoughts right now.

I am just focusing on some basic concepts about polyamory. That love is not a currency. It would be silly to say that I am the best at everything in the world. Attraction and passion aren't something that should be shameful or wrong. But I have to say that. emotionally. I feel very wrung out. I expected there to be some serous anxiety once she left. But as I sit here (and smoke) I don't feel terrible. I can only describe it as ripping off a bandaid. There is pain and sting. But I can see that the skin is smooth and whole. I am going to try to do mindless things tonight. Binge watch reality television or read my book. ( Currently reading the wheel of time series for the fourth time). Spend a quiet night with my thoughts. I promise you all that I will try not to be sullen or sad. Or hurt and angry. I have clarity that I want Bunny to enjoy herself tonight. That may or may not lead to her having sex with another man. And it just feels so strange to honestly type that I am okay with this.

I just want to also say for anyone who may be worried. I am still choosing not to drink through all of this. It has been on my mind a lot lately. I don't trust myself going out and hanging out with friends or family. I need a meeting badly. I am currently sponserless too. So I need to recognize that in periods of emotional strife I need that extra help. For me. It is hard because I felt like I had everything in control. I didn't even want to drink. But it is a lifetime illness. It doesn't go away. It is always lurking in the shadows. It lies in wait for my weakness and pounces on it. So I just feel bad about wanting to drink. I have been open with Bunny about this. So I will make it a point to get into the next meeting I can find.

I will update you all tomorrow for sure. If anyone has questions or concerns I am doing this with one hundred percent honesty. So I am an open book. Feel free to post here or pm me.
 
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Wheel of Time is a good way to distract yourself. Goodness knows you could get lost in those for years! (I did).

Hope the date went well and the roller coaster wasn't too intense!
 
Homecumimng

Welcome back! So let me give you a play by play of what happened last night. So I actually went to sleep pretty early.. I felt exhausted from feeling so much last night when she left. So I awoke to sexy time from Bunny. Which I found to be extremely erotic. and sweet :)

So afterwards I got up and we ended up having a really nice talk about her date. We had zero hang ups and I have to say that as strange as it may seem. We have grown closer because of it. All in all I think it was the best possible outcome for the night. We were even able to fantasize about her and him together with no weirdness or resentment. That also was.. very hot.

So back to today. I feel quite well all things considered. I am happier and so is Bunny. Side note. The Lumberjack struggled with keeping his solder at attention with a condom. I do feel slightly guilty about this. But I do not at the same time. I feel like my next big step will be sitting down to meet this guy. I have thought more and more about it. Brain weaseles are killing me right now. I think if I can put a face to the name I will be keeping on track with my enlightenment. Who knows. Maybe we will bro out.

I decided to hold off on looking for another partner for now at least. I need to get my ducks in a row before I even think about bringing a partner into my circle. More thoughts to come later tonight.. See yall then =]
 
RIP... Backslide time

So this is just a small thing. But it kind of shook me up a little bit. Bunny and I were having a nice time taking a shower together. Well last night the lumberjack was fairly rough with bunny last night. He is also a Dom. So needless to say that Bunny came home with bruises last night.

Well today in the shower we were having a nice time until I smacked her ass. It really hurt her bottom. So instead of doing the right thing and apologizing like I should have. I had already agreed to give her a day or two to rest up. I suddenly find myself full of anger. Not with her. But with myself. For not knowing better and being careful. But I totally unload on her and make it seem like it was her fault.. I became a little drama queen and started slamming doors and throwing a fit basically. I think that it also has something to do with the fact that he is also a dom. It kind of intimidates me in a way. I understand that the forward way of thinking is apples and oranges. But not to be able to smack Bunny's ass just made me loose it..

I will say this sounds bad. But I am not an abusive person. I never have nor ever will strike Bunny in anger. But now I have lost trust in Bunny. Which really does hurt.. much worse than anything I can imagine.. I thought I was being so awesome and we were being so awesome. I am very frustrated... Does anyone else have any experience dealing with another Dom in their poly relationship?
 
So this is just a small thing. But it kind of shook me up a little bit. Bunny and I were having a nice time taking a shower together. Well last night the lumberjack was fairly rough with bunny last night. He is also a Dom. So needless to say that Bunny came home with bruises last night.

Well today in the shower we were having a nice time until I smacked her ass. It really hurt her bottom. So instead of doing the right thing and apologizing like I should have. I had already agreed to give her a day or two to rest up. I suddenly find myself full of anger. Not with her. But with myself. For not knowing better and being careful. But I totally unload on her and make it seem like it was her fault.. I became a little drama queen and started slamming doors and throwing a fit basically. I think that it also has something to do with the fact that he is also a dom. It kind of intimidates me in a way. I understand that the forward way of thinking is apples and oranges. But not to be able to smack Bunny's ass just made me loose it..

I will say this sounds bad. But I am not an abusive person. I never have nor ever will strike Bunny in anger. But now I have lost trust in Bunny. Which really does hurt.. much worse than anything I can imagine.. I thought I was being so awesome and we were being so awesome. I am very frustrated... Does anyone else have any experience dealing with another Dom in their poly relationship?

I don't understand- what has she done to make you lose trust in her?
 
It is mostly the fact that I said one thing then did another. I really try to hold myself accountable for the things I say. Plus I am not okay with letting myself get carried away and hurt her.
 
Smooth sailing

It feels good to talk today about good positive things. My work life is actually going really well. I was able to take the day off and nothing blew up when I left. So Bunny and I got to spend the day together. We are having a wonderful day. I am just my goofy dumb self and I made her laugh so much. It just felt like old times. Before she had her discovery.

Which is soo nice. I feel like it has been such a struggle trying to reteach my brain. I have been kind of snappish. And super wishy washy. Which naturally causes conflict with Bunny and I. Which leaves us in an empty kind of silence. But today has been a turn up the awesome kind of day. Not to mention tons of kinky stuff. We have shared more intimate details about Bunnys sexual relationship. It didn't feel forced or make me uncomfortable. We actually ended up belly laughing at a joke she made.

Lets hope for more good days.
 
Quote that has stuck with me

Goood afternoon. Just a quick update today. I just wanted to share a quote that has stuck with me. I actually found this while browsing Reddit I believe before all of this got started. It is the kind of quote that I have found different meaning in each time I read. But I ramble here it is.

"finding yourself" is not really how it works. You aren't a ten dollar bill in last winter's coat pocket. You are also not lost. Your true self is right there, buried under cultural conditioning, other people's opinions, and inaccurate conclusions you drew as a child and adult that became your beliefs about who you are. "Find yourself" is actually returning to yourself. An unlearning, an excavation, a remembering who you were before the world got its hands on you..

From the first moment I read it. I can say it moved me. I still can not say with certainty why it moves me so. I just feel like there is something hidden between the words. Hidden beyond what I can see or know. It just makes me stop and ponder how much of what I say and do is just plain wrong, and I just never knew any better. Or what could I do better in my life if I wasn't brought up on crazy values,

I dunno.. seems like powerful stuff.
 
I love that quote too. Thanks for posting.
 
Opening up and explorations

Okay fellow poly people it's story time.

So I have some huge things to talk about today. So first off I wanted to talk the Polyamory toolkit. I LOVE this book. I finished it today and I have to say I love so many of the concepts that book has taught me. I feel armed with knowledge and it feels awesome. Dan and Dawn are such an inspiration to what a healthy poly relationship can be. I also really have enjoyed their podcast Erotic Awakening.

So big news #1. Through exploring polyamory I am coming to think of love of this boundless force. It holds no bounds and is ever expanding. I also have been thinking of some hard truths in my life. So I was finally able to tell Bunny that I may have an interest in exploring a relationship with a man. This is completely new territory for me. Before I met bunny I was a very homophobic person. Bunny is 100% supportive of the LGBT community. She has helped me understand that these fears were rooted in something. The fact that I am uncomfortable with the fact that I may be attracted to men as well as women. So I am excited to have her support with all of this. She was very shocked at first. Which I think is completely understandable. As I have always had these feelings deep with in me. They only know make sense to me. So to her this was brand new. But all is well here. I was able to talk to her about this really cute guy that came by my job. She said it was sweet.

And now for big news #2. So Bunny and have decided to jump into things together a little bit so to speak. We talked about how maybe we could start with swinging. So we actually have found this really cool couple here locally. Nothing has happened as of yet but things seem to be going really well for now. It does feel nice to flirt and be found attractive by another partner. Bunny and I had a good talk on boundaries and what we were comfortable doing together. We agreed to keeping it out of our personal home for now. As well as condoms for the both of us. So I will keep y'all updated on how things go for us. We will see but I am excited.
 
Something profound

So today and Bunny were talking about our other couple that we recently started talking to. We were just smoking a cigarette together and she said that through all of the drama and arguing. Through the hurt feelings and backwards emotions this whole thing feels so light. It seems so fun and we are both enjoying ourselves thoroughly. If is can feel so good so soon it revalidates that this is the right path for us. Which feels so good. We are both dealing with our negative emotions and insecurities in our lives and it is so freeing.

Today I am getting Bunny ready for a date with a friend. It is nice. She is excited about this one because there is no pressure of sex or what will or won't happen. I let her know she has the freedom to do anything she wants within reason. But she is just excited to be taken out on the town. Wined and dined so to speak. and have companionship with someone.

It is a tough road we walk. Thank you to everyone who has helped me get to this feeling. Between the vast amounts of information on the website and the friendly people like us we have gained much. Thank you each and every person who reads my blog. This process continues to humble me. Writing my thoughts out really grounds me as a lover and a person.
 
A grounding of self

Alright I suppose I need to take a few minutes to ground my feelings. So as I type this I just sent Bunny of for a late night hangout with the Lumberjack. I don't know if it was the unplanned nature of the visit or her hanging out with him in general. But jeez my anxiety is spiked. Like shaking in emotions anxious.

So what is it about it is causing me such unease. I am not sure. I just need to focus in on all of the aspects. The Lumberjack does make Bunny very happy. She told me today that she has been missing him since their last visit. So getting to see him tonight is an unexpected treat for her. Which I like. He also is getting her something to eat. Which I like. Hard truth time. They will have physical intimacy and it is Bunny's pleasure. Which I like. So nothing bad is happening. I feel like my emotions are twisted in knots right now.

So I feel like part of it are these two dreams I've had in the last two days. I have come home right after work. and laid down right away to doze for a couple of hours. I can not explain them in detail. But the first one felt like I was traveling around this maze of an island searching for Bunny. There were steep cliffs and I felt stuck to the spot where ever I went. When I finally found her she told me she had already planned a date out and ran away from me. So I chased her. And met her date which was horrifying. I went to shake his hand and he tried to kiss me. The whole dream really shook me hard. I woke up in covered head to toe in a sheet of cold sweat. Out of breath with hot tears running down my face. And the anxiety stuck of the dream stuck with me for most of the day. The second dream was so similar but different. I can't remember it as well but it gave me this terrible feelings of anxiety. Like can't think, sleep, eat or carry a conversation without this sense of dread looming over me. It is like I can not breath.

The feelings about the Lumberjack are so similar that is makes me think that they must be related. I know Bunny has no intentions of ever leaving me but damm if I can't shake this feeling right now.

I feel as if also it is rooted in another issue. So Bunny has been with other men since we opened up but I have not. Nor have I seen another man pleasure her. Long story short it that we have a sex date with a couple this Saturday. So this is also hanging over me. Watching another man pleasure and service my partner. Don't get me wrong I think I am going to enjoy myself and have a magical evening. There is just pressure there.

Lastly I am wrestling with my sexual feelings towards men. I have so much bouncing through my head right now. This just feels like another layer of confusion for me. I suddenly find myself unable to speak to men or look at them without thinking about them sexually. I find myself fantasizing about touching another man. Feeling what makes him a man. Pleasuring it. But it is so complicated because I am still very much attracted to Bunny. And if I find a man I like (I am picky).. How do I explain all of this without scaring them away. Or what if I go to actually act on these feelings and it turns out I am not interested in men at all.

Tonight my brain is just racing. Normally when I write it grounds me and helps organize my thoughts. But tonight I find myself with more questions than answers.

Any thoughts on any of this would really help me. I like hearing other peoples opinions. An outside perspective can be very fresh.
 
Just wanted to say, if you are looking for advice/thoughts from other people on the forum, you might want to post about your situation in the Poly Relationships Corner. That's the section where forum members offer advice--we tend not to offer advice on the blog section, because the blogs are people's daily lives. (It can even feel intrusive for someone to be getting advice/criticism on their blog posts).

So, if you're not getting the feedback here you want, that may be why.
 
Hi wakenbake! I just got done reading your blog and really enjoyed it. I second what Meera said, to post today in Poly Relationships section, to get more feedback on the feelings and issues you are currently struggling with. You're going through a lot! The poly rollercoaster at its most intense.

That said, I appreciate your blog, so don't stop writing it. Sheesh, you went through very hard times as a kid. I am so sorry about your mom. Thank god for your brothers helping you keep your shit together as best you could.

I'm glad you met bunny at a fairly young age. It sounds like she's been very good for you, in general! You're a lucky man.

And congrats on getting and staying sober! Go get to those meetings! This is a very stressful time for you.

I can understand, as another woman with a strong libido, and considering you and bunny are still quite young, how she doesn't want to remain monogamous at this time. And you. She's been your only lover? And now you've discovered your bisexual nature and want to explore it. This is all both exciting and terrifying, hence your upsetting dreams.

I wish you the best of luck on your "swing" date tonight. Word of caution, even a fun "sex only" date can lead to strong emotions. A feeling of infatuation (NRE), can result. I wonder if the man or woman are bi? You mention another man pleasuring bunny, but I wonder if the woman will too. Or the man and you touch each other... Keep an open mind.

And one more note in my long post. Since you like to read, check out the book Sex at Dawn. It's a really great non fiction book written from an anthropological POV, about humans as apes who had evolved to live in small groups, tribes, with no concept of personal property. Everything belonged to the group. Just as they shared food and possessions, they shared their bodies. Pre agriculture, personal property and ownership just did not exist. Men did not own women, people didn't own slaves. Sex was shared as desired, between all members of the tribe, and occasional parties, holidays, celebrations, with more distant tribes. It was social glue and good for the gene pool.

Therefore, over a million years of evolution, humans were partaking in freely chosen sex with multiple partners. It's only in the last 4000 years that agriculture, ownership of others, and the patriarchy have arisen. And it's not really worked out too well, the world is a mess. It's so obvious sharing sex with many is natural and monogamy is unnatural, seeing the amount of cheating, serial monogamy, divorce, porn and romance novels, etc., that is around! Many people you meet, who would be shocked at your consent to your partner being poly, are cheaters. They'd rather sneak around and cheat than be open and aboveboard about it. (France excepted lol.)

In my opinion (and many share this), the modern consensual non-monogamy (CNM) movement is based on feminism: women taking back their right to share sex with anyone of their choosing. This is becoming possible with the trend toward late (or no) marriage, birth control, the right to abortion, growing acceptance of the LGB community, and rising womens' wages. We women don't have to depend on one man to support us as we gestate, give birth, stay home to breastfeed and care for an infant who is so vulnerable and deserves our best. We can earn more money. We can depend on a larger tribe of family, friends and lovers, for support both emotional and financial. We can limit our children to none or a small amount, freeing up more time in our lifespan to explore ourselves and reach our personal potential.

As an open minded young man delving into polyamory (not to mention bisexuality) you are on the cutting edge of this new and healthy development for women and for society at large!
 
Sexless date

So first off thank you both for letting me know where to go with my questions. I have to say I did not intend it. I left the story at a rather dark night in my life.

So Bunny came back from her date night with The Lumberjack glowing. We talked about it and from what she told me it was magical. They went skinny dipping in the middle of the night and just talked in the water for hours. About many things of great and small importance. All the negative feelings I was feeling that night seemed to fade away with her laying in my arms. The last time she went out with him. She woke me up and made love to me which was amazing and erotic and hot. This time she came home and fell asleep right in my arms. All my worries and doubts were gone before I fell asleep that night.

About the sex date night. Bunny started her new bc this month. Her cycle just happened to fall right around date night. So after some talking we agreed that we wanted to do this together so we decided to wait. We still went out with the couple and had dinner with them. We also went to the bar and shot some pool which was really fun. I scratched on the 8 ball four times in a row. The whole night was very PG and left all four of us anxious to have sex.

My personal search for someone goes with great slowness. It is not that I need to meet anyone right away. I am just picky about what I want. All great things take time. I have started talking to one of my ex's. I am not sure where this one stands though because she is happily married to someone. To further complicate matters. We were dating during her one and only separation with her now husband. I am comfortable with a platonic relationship with her and she does not know that I am poly. I just need to have the talk with her about my relationship. I have been hesitating on telling her for several reasons. I do not want to put pressure on her to define something she may not even be sure about. Nor do I want the platonic relationship to end. With all that being said I am not against the idea of something more than friendship with her. I don't want her to cheat on her husband or lie to him about me. That feels very wrong. I want to do the right thing. For all parties involved. I feel as if this is what she has been doing thus far. In a perfect world she could just talk to her husband and get the okay. But that really just doesn't happen. I also highly doubt they are closet poly.

What I really want to do is sit down with her in person over coffee and explain all of this. Buuut she has three jobs, a husband, and two kids. How can I ask her to put me on her schedule when she has so much going on. Plus if her husband doesn't know yet wouldn't that further complicate things?

With all that being said. My first instinct is to say that I am overthinking all of this and to take it one day at a time. Let things progress naturally and deal with the consequences as they present themselves. On my end I have been 100% open and honest with Bunny about all of this. I am left with a hot mx of emotions about all of this. Bunny is not exactly on board with this relationship. Which makes me hesitate even more.

On a side note I have chatted with a few men so far. They are so cute and I have no idea what to say to any of them. I am still going at turtle speed on this subject.
 
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