The WTF just happened? Thread

powerpuffgrl1969

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I have never started a thread before on this site, and basically lurk here most of the time. However, what happened yesterday has deeply affected a great many decent people, and here is our chance to express our anger in one place!

HOW THE FUCK DID THIS HAPPEN??????
 
It's easy. Racist misogynists found a home. Plus, people who were completely sick of Washington shenanigans decided Hillary was too corrupt, and that Trump would send a message. And yes, some ignorant people did zero research other than, hey Trump has a TV show! It's just completely terrible that immigrants, minorities, gays and women will now suffer because of that.

I had someone on Facebook tell me that they were happy and celebrating the Trump win, and I should be glad that people in America have different freedoms. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, all men are created equal." Everyone should enjoy the same freedoms and the fact that our nation is divided in a way where this is NOT the case - that fact should never be celebrated. They tried to argue that this makes our country stronger. Uh, ok.

And I also had a conversation with someone who had no clue that Pence was anti-LGBT. Like, at all. They told me sarcastically that they didn't exactly have time to research EVERYTHING.

So, yeah.
 
The polls were just SO wrong. I always knew in the back of my brain the worst could happen, but it was devastating.

Just saw how Hillary won the popular vote. Al Gore all over again.
 
Hi powerfuffgrl1960,

I'm really sorry that Trump won the election. I think it's equally bad or worse that the Republican party has majority control over the House and Senate.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
Okay ladies and gentlemen, time to get out your favorite search engine and begin to explore using search terms ...

"Greg Palast"

Ohio (for example)

"interstate cross check"

... and, of course, Koch brothers, as always

There is a reason the polls said Hillary would win. And yet she did not.

See -- she likely did win more than just the popular vote (which she did),
but a little rigging in the right places at the right time and ... bingo-bango.

In my guess-timation, Bernie would have made it much harder for the fraudsters to pull it off -- by winning by a larger margin than Hillary could have.
 
Greg Palast should be winning the Pulitzer Prize for Journalism. But he likely never will. Our world is so corrupt that he can barely get the word out to the wider public at all -- with his new film showing in only a handful of cities. Sigh.:(
 
Do You Really Want to know?

Do you really ... I mean REALLY want to know what happened?



It's not going to feel very good. I promise. It may worry you a lot. It's not a nice thing to know about.



Okay, okay, if you really must know ... check this out (YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED):



https://youtu.be/TmYYvZASoks

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/11/8/greg_palast_in_ohio_on_gop



So the answer is?

The election was rigged by Republicans for a Republican "victory"

... AND ...

There was massive tampering of voting machines (etc.) ... and various sorts of voter fraud for a Republican "Victory"


Donald Trump is not our president. We've been had.



I told you you didn't want to know! Sorry!
 
What do we DO about this, though? I saw most of the video, and I read the Palast article. I believe every word of it. What do we do with that knowledge?
 
What do we DO about this, though? I saw most of the video, and I read the Palast article. I believe every word of it. What do we do with that knowledge?

Excellent question!

(1) First of all, we check and double check the salient points and facts -- just as a journalist would do. We're all busy -- and are not paid for our time as a journalist would be -- but we can all do some of this before we leap to conclusions. (I, for example, want to be much more clear about how exit polls work in these elections -- what they do and do not imply.... When I see very large discrepancies between the "official" vote and the exit polls in some states (some with a shocking 10-15% difference between these two numbers) I take this as solid reason to ask serious questions about why and how.

(2) We give serious consideration to just how profound the cognitive dissonance will be for the average news media "journalist" as well as the average citizen. It's not difficult to believe that America put a man on the moon... or that some cows and dogs have spots. It's really damn difficult for a majority of Americans to give serious consideration to possible, widespread, deliberate election fraud in the United States of America. We tend to think "We're not some sort of banana republic!" and dismiss the notion without any serious inquiry or investigation. We tend to expect that it's someone else's job to look into these matters: like mainstream media (which fewer and fewer of us trust these days, but still we want them to signal that we're not bat shit crazy by acknowledging that looking into these things doesn't mean we are wearing tinfoil hats and appear to have forgotten to take our meds.)

(3) If we remain convinced that things smell sharply of fish, we keep researching the topic.

(4) If it still smells badly of fish we begin to talk with our trusted friends about the topic, the evidence, etc.

(5) We consider joining -- or creating -- a local "support group" (and investigatory group) so we don't feel utterly alone. Little of any worth is ever accomplished by marginalized people all by themselves, alone.

(6) With the support of our supporters we encourage a widening circle of friends -- and local politicians, and news media folks ... -- to give serious consideration to the body of evidence (that there may be some fish here, 'cause it smells so much like fish after all).

(7) At some point we may need to get organized in the various ways that folks get organized -- and do something to raise the attention of a growing number of people about these fish. Or fish smells. "Why does it smell so much like fish if there are no fish? Hmm?"

(8) This could mean holding rallies, marches... or posting the fish all over Facebook... or ... or...? Who knows?! Be creative. But be honest and true. This is not a f**king joke here. This is serious stuff. It requires that we take both the available evidence, arguments ... and counter-arguments into our minds and hearts. It's the truth we're interested in here. If the mainstream media won't do their job (or the job of informing folks and asking serious questions -- as journalists should) then The People have to do the job for them.
 
You guys can blame it on misogyny and racism winning out. You can even believe the election was rigged. You are ignoring the apathy of liberal voters.

In 2004 I attended a speech by Bill Clinton. When talking about elections he said "Democrats have to fall in love with a candidate. Republicans just fall in line."

Hillary got 5 million less votes than Obama did in 2012. Trump did not gain 5 million votes. In fact, there wasn't a significant change in the amount of Trump voters versus the amount of Romney voters. The bottom line is liberals were not excited about Hillary. She is a moderate. She is part of the establishment. Bernie Sanders was popular but the DNC did not back him. They had already chosen Hillary.

Look at the numbers. It was third party candidates that had a rise in voters. How could the polls be so wrong? Maybe they weren't. After all, polls are just a snapshot in time. But it was reported that Hillary had a 90% chance of winning. It is my theory that this led idealists to either not vote or vote for a third party. In the liberal mind there was no way a monster like Trump could win. They could "vote their conscience" without the bad guy winning. Hillary lost significantly in two groups. Young people and black voters. Neither group was enthusiastic about Hillary.

Mind you, that does not mean that the blame for what this nation has become rests solely on one one group or cause. Racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and homophobia do exist. They are a huge problem. But those problems existed when a black man was elected President.
 
It is very likely, even highly probable, that "apathy" is entirely the wrong word to use to describe may or most of those left of center (and Democrats) that simply didn't bother to vote for president this time around.

I think "disgust" may well be a more apt term, or at least words closer to disgust than to apathy.

I was just listening to Thom Harmann's radio show, and Thom and his guest were talking about a major aspect of the election this year that often get's sloughed aside by explaining trump's "victory" mainly in relation to xenophobia, racism, bigotry and the like. This other factor, though generally ignored by popular pundits, is trade policy -- especially vis-à-vis voters in "fly over country" -- the Midwest. Hartmann's interviewee was saying that folks in the Midwest are just sick and weary of being ignored by the Democratic Party on international trade policy. Pissed, really. Pissed enough even to vote for Trump, because he was the last man/woman standing who said he'd change our national policies to bring back some manufacturing jobs to the USA.

In this radio program they also talked about how Bernie Sanders had much the same trade policy proposals as did trump....


... but the DNC did everything in its powers to see to it that Hillary, not Bernie, would be the party's presidential nominee this year. And Hillary did NOT stand up and say, Yeah, like Bernie and trump, I too want to alter our international trade policies to favor American manufacturing.

More and more of us are believing that Bernie Sanders had a much better chance at winning against trump than Hillary did.

Yeah, yeah ... trump did win in part because he garnered votes from xenophobes, Islamophobes, misogynists and the like. We can add his stand against abortion to this list. But Hillary may well have won if she had taken the same basic stand on international trade as Bernie and The Donald.

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I still think we should all take to the streets as often as possible to let the whole world know that trump is Not Our President! Let's let EVERYONE know, of all parties, that business as usual is behind us. We've got to begin anew... to make a social world we can live in and be proud of.

There are 100 good reasons we should all turn our back on trump, ignore him (when possible)... or tell him to pack his bags and get out of our country. The biggest one of these is perhaps his position on climate change. He would kill the whole f**king planet just to see his name in lights!
 
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The electorates could say no trump on Dec. 19., the recounting bought by Jill Stein could help sway them....but all the experts say this just won't happen (Then again, they swore Trump would never be elected in the first place.) All the protests, petitions, etc.... will it amount to nothing? Will our nation really allow a dangerous narcissist who got lost the popular vote by 2 million and has glaring conflicts of interest into the white house? I'm still in denial....
 
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