Where are we going? Are we already there?

Hi all. My emotions are seriously fucking with me tonight and although I should be sleeping and getting ready for a hellish week at work ahead, I'm here because all I can do is think and worry about conversation I had with my boyfriend today.

This is my first poly relationship, and if I'm being honest, my first serious relationship period. My boyfriend is currently my only partner. We've been together about 4 months. The boyfriend is in a long-term committed relationship with a partner of 4 years with whom he lives. He and she share finances, a pet, and know and get along with each other's families. He and I on average spend time together once a week.

Recently he's expressed worry that it must be difficult for me that he's only able to give me that much of his time and energy. He says he feels bad that he can't spend more time with me, but I'm not entirely sure if he feels bad because he can't or feels bad because he won't or doesn't want to.

I expressed that I want a primary partner in my life the way he has a primary partner in his. (Neither of us like that label, but it is what it is). He said our relationship would probably make more sense if I did have that. And he said he wanted that for me and that he hopes that I find that. He is also worried that once I find that that I won't have any need for him anymore and says he's "bracing himself for that." I can't imagine anyone making me want to leave him to pursue monogamy. But I've also never seriously tried monogamy and maybe it is the right decision for me. I just don't know. All I know is I love my boyfriend and I don't want him to go anywhere.

But I am realizing that finding a primary partner while attached to a secondary partner is kind of the reverse of how most people do poly, and as such it will likely be incredibly difficult for me to find someone who is poly but not already in their own primary relationship. I'm worried that if I don't find that primary partner somewhere that I'll sit an languish wishing my current relationship were more primary than it is.

And that's what brings me to the subject of my post. At some point in our conversation the boyfriend asked me if in ten years' time he were to be married to his primary and were still only able to give me about the same time he gives me now, would I be happy with that? At first I didn't know how to respond because ten years is a long damn time even in hypothetical years. And retrospect it kind of felt like a blow.

I guess in the back of my mind maybe I had been hoping that our relationship might one day evolve into a co-primary situation, if we put in enough time and feelings remained strong. It's not something I've been depending on or something I wanted to attempt to jump into right away, I just thought maybe it'd be a possibility down the line. I mean lots of poly people have multiple primaries. It's not unheard of. I don't think it was unreasonable to think it might one day happen if circumstances were right, especially since we never explicitly defined our relationship as secondary from the outset.

His asking me that question felt like he was subtly trying to tell me that that is never going to happen. That he has already made that decision. That our relationship is as serious and as committed as it's ever going to be, no matter what.

I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about that.
 
I would ask him directly, if co-primaries is something he sees as a possibility.
 
Recently he's expressed worry that it must be difficult for me that he's only able to give me that much of his time and energy.

I'm sorry, but that statement is incredibly patronizing. As if he can be the only one that makes you happy; as if you can't be happy spending time with yourself. Intentionally or not, it comes across like that.

He says he feels bad that he can't spend more time with me, but I'm not entirely sure if he feels bad because he can't or feels bad because he won't or doesn't want to.

Well, he can make as much time for you as he wants. Schedules don't always balance perfectly, but it's never a question of not "having" enough time. It's about not making the effort to put that time aside for something (anyone whose ever heard, "I don't have enough time in my life to cook meals"? Nope. You just don't want to and want to put that time towards working/working out/friends/etc). He honestly may LIKE the idea of spending more time, but the choice to spend more time with you is his.

I expressed that I want a primary partner in my life the way he has a primary partner in his. (Neither of us like that label, but it is what it is). He said our relationship would probably make more sense if I did have that.

If you and he both want a relationship of co-primaries, there's nothing stopping you. She may not want that. But if he's saying stuff like, "our relationship would make more sense if I called you my primary"? Excuses. If he wants you as a co-primary, he could make it happen, since you're consenting. He just doesn't want to, or is choosing to defer to his other partner's wishes. Mine stepped up and refused that...it caused a fight...but it was worth it to him.

But I am realizing that finding a primary partner while attached to a secondary partner is kind of the reverse of how most people do poly, and as such it will likely be incredibly difficult for me to find someone who is poly but not already in their own primary relationship. I'm worried that if I don't find that primary partner somewhere that I'll sit an languish wishing my current relationship were more primary than it is.

Most people have a hard time taking a secondary spot initially, without the comfort of a primary partner. Most people also like being able to build themselves, not join another (mostly ego, imo). Nothing wrong with doing it the way you are. And you could simply find another primary relationship, if you want more. Yes, it'll be harder to find someone than if you were single and willing to be mono. But what is it you're really looking for? For me, having a primary made it harder AND easier. Harder to find others. But easier to find what I wanted. I wanted a relationship that fulfilled me (and that meant being open to multiple loves and relationships). Not just some boyfriend or girlfriend slot. Being in a primary relationship clearly showed my intentions. I no longer have to worry, Will he or she understand that I am poly? Will he or she think, since I'm only with them, that I'm simply confused and really mono? Anyone who sees me with him can clearly see I'm head over heels in love. And if they're okay with that and still want to date me? Than I know they want what I want, too.

I mean, who knows. You could one day have the status you want with him. He could want it with you. But if his partner is resisting, I'd really suggest taking the place in his life he's offering, without feeling like it's "settling." And continue to build what you want separately, or together with him, as suits you.
 
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I am sorry you struggle. :(

Here's what jumps out at me in case it helps you with some perspective...

I think most people experience first serious relationship as the first break up too. Maybe you guys are one of the exceptions. Maybe not. Time will tell.

I'm not saying it to be mean. :eek: I am saying it so you can relax a little bit here -- enjoy the dating time, enjoy this relationship. Being the first, a LOT of things will feel intense because it IS the first time feeling those things. Not just with this person, but EVER. That's ok. And it can be fun to feel!

Just keep your head about it and remember relationships are participatory. They are not things that happen to you like getting caught in in a rainstrom. That are things you choose to help create and participate in. So... participate!

If this is your bottom line?

I had been hoping that our relationship might one day evolve into a co-primary situation

His asking me that question felt like he was subtly trying to tell me that that is never going to happen. That he has already made that decision. That our relationship is as serious and as committed as it's ever going to be, no matter what.

I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about that
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Don't jump to conclusions, guess, assume. Could ask and FIND OUT direct from his mouth.

To me you sound like you would like some clarity about what place you hold in his life for the present time and what place it might be in near future. (1-2 years out). Don't stress about distant future -- 10 years out is too far. Worry about that when you get there.

Could Sort out what open model relationship you guys are trying to practice here today, and what it might be in the near future. That's reasonable -- so ASK him what he's after and TELL him what you are after. See what lines up or not. Communicating is part of dating.

Talking about the next 6-12 mos is totally doable. You can always talk again as things change and evolve over time. He's not a mind reader. So ASK if he is willing to tell you the things you want to know. You disclose your stuff.

If this relationship ever gets to a point where it does not suit you, you can make other choices than choose to "languish" in it. That's being a bit overdramatic. :eek: Worst case scenario? Break ups are not fun, but if you want to explore other dating, even dating in a monoship? You could choose to. It isn't the end of the world or like people cannot get back together if they want to later.

It will be ok however it pans out.

I encourage you to talk with him and sort out what you want to know so you can feel more calm and stable while participating in the relationship you currently have. Not feel all vague and weird because you don't know what kind of relationship it even is.

Go ahead and talk it out. You can do this.

Hang in there,
Galagirl
 
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If your main focus is finding a primary partner then I would be prepared to to be open to the idea of monogamy. I personally would never pass up on being with someone great full time to be with someone once a week indefinitely. Jane always said that she would tell guys that she won't stop seeing nate and most guys were not cool with that. The guys who were cool with that were looking for a secondary partner.

Calling you a co primary and actually being a co primary are two different things. I personally wouldn't consider myself a co primary if I only got to be with them once a week.

My idea of a co primary is someone I can have a commitment ceremony with. That I can share a home with, go on vacations with, have a child with (if we choose), be invited to their family functions and achnowledged as their partner etc. If i cant hav these things then I consider myself a secondary (who which I am not willing to be) thankfully Sam although monogamous was willing to be with me if I could give him co primary status. Only took me 5years to find him.
 
Recently he's expressed worry that it must be difficult for me that he's only able to give me that much of his time and energy.

I'm sorry, but that statement is incredibly patronizing. As if he can be the only one that makes you happy; as if you can't be happy spending time with yourself. Intentionally or not, it comes across like that.

I don't think he meant it as patronizing. My guess is he based it gauging how I act toward him and feeling that I want more time from him than I get, which admittedly I kind of do.

I expressed that I want a primary partner in my life the way he has a primary partner in his. (Neither of us like that label, but it is what it is). He said our relationship would probably make more sense if I did have that.

If you and he both want a relationship of co-primaries, there's nothing stopping you. She may not want that. But if he's saying stuff like, "our relationship would make more sense if I called you my primary"? Excuses. If he wants you as a co-primary, he could make it happen, since you're consenting. He just doesn't want to, or is choosing to defer to his other partner's wishes. Mine stepped up and refused that...it caused a fight...but it was worth it to him.

I think I did not make myself clear... he meant that our secondary relationship would make more sense if I had a primary partner other than him so I wouldn't feel like those needs are being neglected. Basically implying if not outright stating that he wants that person for me to be someone *other* than him.

I mean, who knows. You could one day have the status you want with him. He could want it with you. But if his partner is resisting, I'd really suggest taking the place in his life he's offering, without feeling like it's "settling." And continue to build what you want separately, or together with him, as suits you.

His partner isn't involved in the equation at all here. I mean obviously she is, but it's not as if she's the one resisting. It seems more like he is resisting me, trying to let me down easy on the hope that it would ever be more than what it is currently. Like he's drawing that boundary without explicitly saying that's what he's doing.

I want to do as you suggest and be happy with the place in his life that I can have. But part of me feels hurt that he's a more important part of my life than I am of his. And I don't truthfully know if poly is the right choice for me. I want it to be because I love him and I know it's the right choice for him. But I don't 100% know. He's aware that I'm not sure yet which is I think partially why he's been withdrawing from me and making sure I don't have expectations he doesn't want to fulfill. I think he's almost as worried about me hurting him by going mono one day as soon as I find a primary other than him as I am worried about him not caring about me the same way I care about him.
 
Calling you a co primary and actually being a co primary are two different things. I personally wouldn't consider myself a co primary if I only got to be with them once a week.

Right, and neither of us are calling it that. We're not really calling it secondary either. We're not really calling it anything. It's a little wishy washy which I think is both good and bad. I agree with your definition of co-primary and agree that that's not what we have. I just had hopes that it might be what we would eventually have a few years down the line, but it looks like that's not the direction he's interested in heading.
 
You clearly feel more towards him than he does towards you. Whether you call it secondary/primary/fwb/etc, it doesn't matter.

He does care for you, though, and it could be a wonderful relationship in your life. But he's right, if you want that deep, romantic relationship? You need to find another partner or partners.
 
Thanks for the feedback everyone. It's getting much easier to deal with these emotions as time passes. The more I process it the more I come to the conclusion that I can accept the level of time and commitment that he is offering, but I really didn't appreciate the way he presented the conversation about it. The more I think about that conversation the more I'm realizing that the real purpose of it was for him to define his boundaries. He acted like it was all about him being worried about me and concerned for my feelings, but I feel like it really was more about his needs than mine. And if that was going to be the case I think it would have been better if he had prepared me more for it rather than throwing it out there so abruptly.

I also think I need to have a conversation with him about how I think I was justified in thinking that we might become more committed over time based on the way he treated me early on. The fact is I would not have set my hopes up so high if he hadn't given every indication along the way that he wanted more. He was the one who told me he wanted us to be more than "just having fun." He was the one who called me his girlfriend before I'd ever presumed to call him my boyfriend. He was the one who said "I love you" first and frankly far earlier than I would have expected. He even came out as poly to his mom and floated out the idea to me of bringing her to come see one of my shows. I mean what was I supposed to think? I think the thing that's currently most upsetting to me is having those reasonable expectations dismissed and feeling like I was never entitled to have them when I really wouldn't have fallen so hard if he hadn't acted like he was falling just as hard.
 
Sounds like he was in some serious NRE and has now been pulled back to reality. Its really easy to get swept away in the new romance and make declaration you might not have made under other circumstances
 
Re (from phasedandconfused):
"I am worried about him not caring about me the same way I care about him."

Based on what I've heard in this thread: so am I. I am afraid that you are more into him than he is into you. If that's true, then that's a bad deal for you. You should probably let this relationship go. :(

Possibly he was more interested in the beginning than he is today. Possibly he was fibbing in the beginning so he could get his foot in the door. Either way, his interest level here and now isn't very high.

I think it'd be a better deal for you to be able to look for people to date without being tied down by this secondary relationship. You could even say you were poly, but single, and that would give you a bigger dating pool (than you'd have with him still seeing you).

It's totally up to you of course. And it wouldn't hurt to get concrete confirmation from him that he indeed has no co-primary plans for you. But I would at least want anyone I was seeing to be as interested in me as I was in them. That's all I'm saying.

I hope you can get it sorted out, and find what you desire.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
One of the issues we discussed also is that he thinks I need to figure out if poly is really right for me. So I've been mulling that over. I think I've decided that choosing between poly / mono for me is like asking a bisexual person to choose between men and women. Can't I be open to both? Sure I can't have a mono relationship while in a poly relationship or vice versa, but a monogamous bisexual person can't have a relationship with a man and a woman at the same time. It doesn't negate their openness to the other gender in a general sense. And I'm no more likely to leave my poly boyfriend for a mono relationship than your average bi person would be to leave a male partner for a female partner or vice versa. He's worried I'm just doing poly for now because the circumstances are convenient. But what I'm saying is that circumstances matter. A LOT. And I want him to know that the only thing that's going to make me leave him is if there are other problems in the relationship. So I guess if that's part of the reason he's pulling away from me - because he realizes he can't give me what I need and is afraid that I'll completely detach in favor of someone who can - well I think that's a fixable issue.
 
I reckon that most people can be flexible and adapt themselves to polyamory or monogamy depending on the circumstances. You can certainly maintain your relationship with this poly man while seeking (an) additional partner/s.
 
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