I'm sad it's ended.

poobah123

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Background: My wife Sarah and I were involved with another married couple for around 6 months.

Today I told Sarah and my OSO Sunny that I did not want this anymore. I could not find a place where I was not bothered by something. I tried for 6 months to find a way, but I just can't put myself through the emotional roller coaster anymore. I am keeping things open, though.

It's been a tough ride for me. We almost lost our marriage, but then we got it back, with others involved. I was thinking today that maybe I need time to build this new relationship with Sarah first, before I can be mature enough to handle polyamory. I'm afraid of the future. I don't want to lose her.

It feels horrible. I am the one that dropped the ball, or missed the field goal, so to speak. I had to hurt 3 people that I really care for today. Now it is something I will have to deal with for the rest of my life.

This sucks.
 
Sorry this was so hard. My own personal opinion is that this right here emphasizes my rule #1 with poly-- the existing relationship needs to be on firm ground for a good long while before adding new people.

I think too often people rush into things because an opportunity pops up, without taking this into consideration. The fact is, that if the existing relationship is on shaky ground, or has been recently, and has just barely gotten back to being good, that adding a new relationship is going to be much harder, and may very well end up causing the existing relationship to be lost.

And as you can see, other people then get hurt because they were brought into a situation that wasn't ready for them.

Not to make you feel worse-- I just see this a lot. A relationship barely gets back on its feet, and someone meets someone who gets them giddy, and wants to rush into it headfirst without thinking about the potential consequences.

Don't be extra hard on yourself, though. I do see this is a potential to take a look and see what exactly the issue was, and what you may be able to do about it. If the fact is that you and Sarah hadn't had time to just be in a relationship and rebuild first, then maybe you can do that now, with the possibility of opening up after you've had that chance to re-bond.
 
I think your reply is spot on. It makes total sense. I mean, we went the whole spectrum of a relationship. The marriage was almost over. Literally 11th-hour type over. How could we rebuild anything with another involved?

I will take this time to reflect on what bothered me and do some soul-searching. In the meantime, I will also work on building this new relationship with my wife. I look forward to a future when I can be okay with things. I just hope I have not lost my wife. I know she says she loves me and she can handle it, but my inability to give to her has hurt her.
 
I just hope I have not lost my wife. I know she says she loves me, and she can handle it, but my inability to give to her has hurt her.

I don't know how you could phrase this so that it wouldn't sound like an accusation, because it really isn't. But if she's seeing this as your "inability to give to her"-- she's neglecting to look at her inability to give to you. You're not saying you can't do this at all, you're saying that you can't do this NOW, because the two of you didn't do the work together first.

In my mind, she's only looking at what she wants, and what you won't give her, instead of seeing that it's just as much about what the two of you need, and what she didn't take the time to give your relationship, because she was infatuated and wanted what she wanted.

I know that sounds hard-ass, but the truth is that when people get into NRE, they very very often get into a selfish "me, me, me" stage, where they are so focused on their chemically-induced feelings that they run over other people's feelings, or see other people's requests as some kind of imposition.

I think it might behoove her to see that giving is a two-way street. You want to give to her, so that she can have what she wants and needs. She needs to do the same for you.
 
Actually, to be clear, she has offered to end things before. I just kept trying. She told me she didn't want to hurt me anymore and wanted to work on us. So it took her some time to be able to do that. In her words, she thinks she caused damage to me and our relationship, but I don't feel that way. I just want to work on being a better husband, friend and father. I love her dearly.

Thank you for your kind words.
 
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It's great that she saw that it wasn't working for either of you. I send the two of you good wishes in learning to enjoy each other and build a solid relationship again. :)
 
I'm sorry to hear you are hurting. I hope you two find the path to increased connection through all of this.

I was wondering if this means she has to stop being with Sam? If she is still loving him, and he her, is it not possible to create a vee out of a quad? I'm not sure why everything has to end because you have decided it.
 
I just asked her to not be physical with him. I won't take anything else away from her. This just sucks. The gravity of my situation is setting in and I feel horrible. I can't eat. I can't work. I just feel like dying.
 
Taking a break from being physical with a lover is not the worst thing that could happen to a person. Not to be dismissive of what you're feeling in the least, but Sarah will be fine. The other couple will be fine. They have each other to fall back on. You and Sarah also have each other. No one is alone.

This is a rough situation. Sarah clearly loves you very much to give you this. But you feeling like you're a terrible person will not make this better. She accepted your gift of trying to make it work. Now you must accept her gift of suspending operations (so to speak) and focus on the work of rebuilding your marriage!
 
Now this is out of control. I can see that Sarah is really upset. She is still in love with Sam, and being forced to stop. I asked her for a break, but she said deep down she knows it will never work for me.

Sarah is talking about moving away. Never talking to them again. Saying it's the right thing to do, etc.

The mix of emotions is making me sick. I hurt so many people. Will Sarah stay with me? Will I lose Sunny altogether? Why can't there be a way to make this work?

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Is this a bit of drama on her part, because she is feeling uneasy about this situation, or is she serious? I am beginning to wonder if I am missing something here, because it seems a bit over the top.

You said you are not interested in a quad situation anymore, but would be fine with Sarah and Sam continuing on without you on this level. You plan to work on building a more solid relationship with Sarah. Isn't this what you said originally? What has changed? I don't get why you feel so bad about this.

I would be really surprised if anyone would want you to live a life that isn't working for you. I get that it's an adjustment, but it's not like you have to just stop talking to them. You can be friends and spend time together, just not have sex or develop a relationship in a romantic way. Sarah can go about doing that, while you do your own thing when she's with Sam.

The whole thing just seems a little overly-emotional, and I don't get why. :confused:
 
Correct me if I got this wrong. You fell for this woman, Sunny. She got her husband to agree to open up the marriage. You then try to get your wife Sarah on board. With the help of the other couple, she comes around. You and the women are HAPPY for a time.

Then, because of the circumstances, and now relatable situation, Sam and Sarah formed a support group, which led to them becoming involved with each other. That made you unhappy. It was a struggle for you, with the jealousy and usual stuff.

Then, as I read it, Sarah told you she loved you, but was not "in love" with you. She didn't see you in a lustful way. She was not turned on by you. This was a crushing blow to you. The two of you then had problems sexually and things further devolved.

Now you have become so tortured by all this you want to stop, and want Sarah to stop, as well, or at least stop having sex with Sam. Ideally, you'd want it to go back to the way it was a year or two before you got this great idea.

Did I get this essentially right?

To me, it seems like you carry a lot of guilt and other emotions for pushing this situation into three other people's lives, but now you're the one that can't handle it.

Maybe you need to get some therapy or counseling to figure out what you really need or want, independent of the group.

Now that you put these other balls in play, you might be screwed as to actually achieving it.
 
Wow, you are all right, dingedheart. You have followed my story well.

Over-emotional response from the wife-- OMG YES! I had a busy business meeting all day and was not involved, but she went all MAD at the other two. She was mad at Sam for something stupid, BUT was harboring tons of anger towards Sunny for falling in love with me. It all came out yesterday. It was all but over. We were going to move away and never have them in our lives. Then she calmed down. Started talking nicely. She told me she had gotten her second period in one month and woke up very angry.

When I got home we had a really great moment. She was so concerned that she hurt me, saying things like, "What did I do to you?" "You're a mess," but she was making all these assumptions. I told her I was not hurt. I still loved her. I was not ever going to leave her.

Later that night the BOMBSHELL hit. She directly up and asked me if I would be up for swinging or another OSO in the future, assuming we ruined our existing other relationships in that way. She admitted that she was really enjoying having someone else. I said, "I just asked to take a break to help overcome my jealousy and you ask to go for a swinging lifestyle?" HOLY SHIT!! WTH???

I didn't get angry. Instead, I was intrigued and thought a little about it. We talked a bit. Later that night I realized just how much she was enjoying herself. How I could never compete with someone new. I just felt like I have to overcome this because it's something she really wants in her life.

I admit I am a little concerned that she has "good girl gone bad" syndrome. I mean, it almost felt like she was on a drug and was asking for more. Not a bad drug (sex), of course. :)

So we agreed to go to counseling. We found a local counselor who works with all types of lifestyles. I look forward to this.

However, I wonder, was I not enjoying myself because of my jealousy, or because I just lost the desire for being physical with Sunny? I mean, Sunny is my BEST friend, and maybe our relationship just went there.

I just wonder with people like my wife. Communication is key, right? Why do so many people in this world hold their emotions in for months or years?

Can I send a check to you guys? Support for the website or something? You have all been so supportive and helpful.
 
There seems to be a lot of emotional undercurrent going on with Sarah (and you, but you know about that :) ). A lot of people keep things inside for years for many different reasons. Sometimes they feel if they just push it all down, it will go away, and they don't want to deal with it; sometimes it's fear; sometimes it's that their feelings go against the life they think they should have. It's endless, really.

The only way you're going to know what's really going on with Sarah, and why it's been kept inside so long, is to ask her. So counseling sounds like exactly what the two of you need right now. I'm glad you found somebody who is knowledgeable about these types of relationships. That makes a big difference.

Something I've learned (in my schooling to become a counselor, but in my private life, as well) is that there is an interesting process that happens with love and relationships that is just as much physiological as mental and emotional. Around here it's called NRE. Basically, when you are attracted to somebody, your body releases a ton of chemicals -- serotonin, dopamine and others-- which make you feel GOOD beyond belief. The purpose of these chemicals is to bond you with a mate and keep you there, at least long enough to procreate and have a baby. These chemicals generally taper off after about 18 months. Another chemical is still released (oxytocin) which keeps you bonded after that.

The reason some of the chemicals dissipate after 18 months or so is that they are so powerful that you wouldn't be able to function properly in life if they stayed forever! But the downside is that these chemicals-- which activate the same part of the brain as drugs like heroin-- can also affect your judgment and impulse control. So basically you see the person you're into through "seratonin-tinted glasses." Their faults are not noticed, or seem like no big deal, their positives are accentuated, etc.

And when the drugs wear off, that's when you really see if what you have is a strong bond, or not. This is the point where love actually happens, when you start to see the person as they REALLY are, and choose to love them. It's also where the work comes in, with needing to communicate about issues and work through them.

People can make really bad decisions in the midst of this NRE stage, which is why around here they say wait at LEAST a year, maybe more, before making big decisions like moving across country, moving in, etc. Another side effect is that their focus can be so on the person that they're having these feelings for that they literally ignore the other people or responsibilities in their lives. Lastly, people can get addicted to that feeling, and start flitting here and there to get that rush, that high.

So maybe a question you want to ask in counseling would be if Sarah could see waiting, say six months, and allowing the two of you to work through things in counseling, to build your foundations, to work on yourselves independently so that you can bring your best selves to the relationship. I would think that's not a lot of time for her to be on pause, but enough time to really take a good deep breath, clear the air of the NRE, come down to earth and take care of each other for a little bit.

It might also give you some time to look at where your insecurities are coming from, and work through them in counseling, where you can have help in expressing those concerns and seeing what the things are you need to work on for yourself, and what might be the concerns you can work on with Sarah (e.g., needing more hugs and reassurances when she's in the throes of NRE).

The concern in the back of my mind is that she may be becoming addicted to that NRE feeling, the serotonin and dopamine high. Maybe she wants to do swinging, where she feels that high and runs with it, until she doesn't, and then finds somebody else who provides it, with no feelings or actual relationships getting in the way. Chasing that high could definitely impact your relationship (and her own life) if not done with care, caution and consideration.

This, of course, is just a possibility, but something that could be discussed more deeply with a professional.
 
Drop my end into the nearest Salvation Army kettle. I heard the worst high-school carolers working a red kettle last night. I gave them 5 bucks to stop singing. It was an assault on Christmas. Hey, I'm not some snob, but 6-8 tone deaf kids. I blame Glee and American Idol. Not everyone should sing in public.
 
Wow, thanks, Minxxa. Hit the nail on the head, so to speak. That's why I think the break would be good, if even for a short while.

This is some complicated stuff, but you know something? I used to suffer from anxiety attacks. Dare I say I have been cured? I have not needed OTC drugs in a year and have no anxiety attacks about anything.
 
Haha!! Too funny but I totally get it! I'll be working in NYC now and I certainly will drop a donation in there for ya. Although they won't stop singing!!

Drop my end into the nearest Salvation Army kettle. I heard the worst high school carolers working a red kettle last night. I gave them 5 bucks to stop singing.
 
Don't do swinging if you can't handle polyamory. Feelings may well develop where it was supposed to be "just" sex, and then you're right back where you were.

I am not trying to make you feel guilty, but I do hope that ultimately things can work out with Sarah and Sam, if their feelings for each other persist through the break. If you can overcome your difficulties with it, there's no reason that your relationship or lack thereof with Sunny should have to play into it at all. I think the time spent outside of the situation, and the counseling, will help immensely, either way.
 
I'm not quite sure I'm clear on the situation as it is now.

I think it is very good for you to take a break, if you need it! I also think you should ask Sarah to work with you, and try to take things slow in her other relationship. I do not think it is reasonable of you to demand her to break up with Sam because you feel like you can't handle everything. Do I understand correctly that is what you asked for, that she no longer be in a romantic/sexual relationship with him? And you can't offer her (and him) any timeline here?

I understand you are feeling hurt and overwhelmed, but by opening things up, you made a commitment to that. I think you should ask for things which give you time to process, but do not avoid the issue. How much time do you usually spend with the other couple? How much time does your wife spend with Sam?

It sounds like you need time to process, time to focus on your relationship with Sarah. You can have that without demanding she break up with Sam. How about you come to an agreement that they spend less time together, but still can carry on a relationship? Rather that going back to monogamy for the next 6 months, could you come to an agreement that for the next 6 months she only sees him maybe once a week or every other weekend, and also that she wouldn't start any new sexual/romantic relationships during that time? And then revisit those agreements after that time?

By the way, I completely agree that counselling is a VERY good idea!
 
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I did not tell Sarah to stop. In fact, I first asked to slow things down to maybe being physical once a month. She didn't like that. So then, since I am starting basically a new career, I asked to take a break to I can 1) study for my new job and 2) stop hurting people with all my ups and downs.

She took this and ran with it.

One thing she mentioned was she didn't think I was attracted to Sunny. Truth is, after Sarah started being physical with Sam, I kind of lost a lot of that attraction. It doesn't help that she is not my type. She is very attractive. It's just some stupid physical hold ups. She has short hair and big breasts. I am big into long hair. It's a freaking odd fetish, and shallow, I know.

I don't know if I lost something due to Sarah being with another man, or if I exited the NRE phase and realized the attraction just was not there. I do love Sunny. I never had any doubt about that.

Ugh. Figuring myself out is really hard.
 
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