Ntthegrlnxtdoor
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Hello all!
I’m hoping for some advice and possible insight on my current poly relationship with a couple. I am new to this forum, but not new to polyamory. (Although I think every relationship is different, so I pretty much feel like a newbie in every new relationship.)
Basic background: I’m a 39 year-old divorced mom of four. The couple I’m dating have been married for 27 years, and I’ve been dating them for 2.5 months. She is 10 years older than me, he is 6 years older than me. They have 3 children and both work in the same office together.
The male of the couple (Ash) contacted me through my online dating profile, saying they'd recently (as in, only a few months ago) opened their marriage up, and since the wife (Ellie) had recently discovered her bisexuality, they were looking for a third for fun, nothing emotional. I turned them down. I wasn’t looking for casual sex or to date a couple, but he responded that they just wanted new friends. They live an hour from me, so I told him if they were ever in the area I’d have drinks with them.
He and I continued communicating. Soon he started saying that they were actually looking to date, and bring a female into their relationship. He told me he'd had a few affairs that had caused their marriage to break up, and when they got back together, they decided to open the marriage. I was concerned about this, but I did agree to meet up. There was an instant connection with him, and Ellie was sweet. I liked her. We ended up spending a weekend together, and after that, I started to see them.
There were a few things that I was concerned about at that point, like being asked that all my text communications with them be via group text, but then they would still privately text each other. He was very concerned that everything was always “even” with us ladies, from kisses to touches. If I did anything with him, he’d instantly mention that now I needed to do it with her. I had several conversations with them about not wanting to be dating in an (A+B)+C environment, that I needed individual relationships with them both. They continue to assure me this was what they wanted, too.
Within a month, they started talking about wanting me to move in with them, taking my four kids (including my autistic son) out of their schools and moving them in with them.
When I go to events with them, I am introduced as a co-worker. Their relationship with me is secret from their kids and their families, as well. The only people in their life who know are her best friend and his best friend. If there is anyone else in company, I am not allowed to be affectionate with either of them.
When we go out, they do pay for everything for me.
At 1.5 months, I was told that they wanted me to me monogamous with them. When I expressed not wanting that, the next request was that they meet and approve of all my sexual interests, to make sure that no one was trying to take me away from them. We haven't finalized that conversation.
I have asked them if they see me as a secondary, but they both say they see me as an “equal” primary. Although everything is run through Ellie. Ash has come to see me twice without her, and she has to approve what time he comes back. He must keep his phone on loud the whole time, check in frequently, and report what he spends. All the rest of the time, I always only see them together. She also has to approve when they visit, when they leave, and what we do. The couple of times I’ve suggested doing things, she went along and then didn’t like it. I’ve asked them a few times if we can all talk about what we really want out of this, and that I would be okay with being a secondary, as long as we could all just be honest that that’s what they want, and then I could ask for my needs accordingly. They say I am not a secondary.
They are reading The Ethical Slut, which they say is helping them understand all this.
Ellie says she loves me and doesn’t want to lose me, telling me that I’m the only woman who has ever made her cum, and Ash is very happy about this. He also frequently says that he wants her and me to have a better connection, but I told him that it’s between her and me. We’ve had a few fights, and he will get mad at me for something I did, and then they text and discuss me together, but not with me.
I asked Ash the other day what would happen if I ended up in a relationship with just her or just him, and he said that we’re not even going to consider that as an option.
Two weekends ago, Ash apparently got upset, but Ellie and I didn’t realize this. (There was alcohol involved.) When he left the bedroom to go sleep in another room, saying he just didn’t want to sleep in the middle, we took him at his word. We played together on our own and had a really great time. In the morning he came in and told us that he was very upset with us both that we didn’t see that he was angry and come talk to him when he left the room. Then he said that he planned to come ask us if we’d had sex last night, and if we had, that he was going to ask me to leave the house. I asked him why me, when he was upset at us both? He just said that it was because that was their house. I was very hurt by this. I’ve not been able to really let it go. Now he says that I am punishing him for expressing his feelings, and that because he didn’t act on it and go through with it, I am being unreasonable to be hurt by it.
Last night, Ash was drinking again. He called to talk to me and we ended up fighting. It wasn’t a bad fight (I thought); it was over something super stupid, and I thought once we ended the conversation the argument was over. But as the night went on, he got more and more angry, and was texting me angry things. I tried to call him to discuss it, but he denied my call and texted that he didn’t want to talk to me to avoid saying something he would regret, and then texted “Goodnight”. 15 minutes later, I picked up the phone and saw he sent the message: “Text me back or it’s over.” Then 5 minutes after that text, “Goodbye." I hadn't seen them, so I tried texting and calling him back, but he would not reply.
I called Ellie, and she just said that I should text him that I love him and that we can talk in the morning, and that he is drunk, etc. I told her that this was not okay at all, and that I shouldn’t be treated like this. She told me he probably wouldn’t remember it in the morning.
Late in the morning, she texted me that he did remember the whole thing, and that he just needed “time," and to give him a day or two. I called him and left a voice mail that this was a really terrible way to treat someone, and if he was serious, that it's messed up and sad, since the argument was over something unimportant. And if he wasn't serious, and just wanted a reaction or to show his power/anger/control, that's even more messed up, and also abusive. I don’t think someone should use a breakup as a threat. I told him since he didn’t want to contact me, I am going to assume he is serious and that we are done.
This evening he texted that he doesn’t want it to be over, that he’s sorry that he hurt me, and that he promises he will never do that again, but asked if I could also promise that we would never have an argument like that again.
I don’t know what to do.
I am very sorry that this has been so long. I know it sounds like so much drama. I admit I am confused, tired and hurt right now.
My big concern is, am I being unreasonable to feel like I am being treated like a toss-away whenever I’m not “behaving”? Or am I overreacting to normal growing pains of a new poly relationship with people who are new to poly? On the one hand, I see so many red flags, and I feel they are not being honest with themselves about what they want, but on the other hand, I’m worried that I’m not being patient enough with them and giving them time to figure things out.
I’ve asked myself if I feel it is something that can be fixed and grown into, and if there are things I need to grow in and do better with, but with the situation the other day of almost getting sent home for having sex with Ellie, and then now this… I’m too blinded by my feelings of hurt and feeling expendable to be able to see clearly.
Any advice would be very welcome. I am again so sorry that this is so long.
I’m hoping for some advice and possible insight on my current poly relationship with a couple. I am new to this forum, but not new to polyamory. (Although I think every relationship is different, so I pretty much feel like a newbie in every new relationship.)
Basic background: I’m a 39 year-old divorced mom of four. The couple I’m dating have been married for 27 years, and I’ve been dating them for 2.5 months. She is 10 years older than me, he is 6 years older than me. They have 3 children and both work in the same office together.
The male of the couple (Ash) contacted me through my online dating profile, saying they'd recently (as in, only a few months ago) opened their marriage up, and since the wife (Ellie) had recently discovered her bisexuality, they were looking for a third for fun, nothing emotional. I turned them down. I wasn’t looking for casual sex or to date a couple, but he responded that they just wanted new friends. They live an hour from me, so I told him if they were ever in the area I’d have drinks with them.
He and I continued communicating. Soon he started saying that they were actually looking to date, and bring a female into their relationship. He told me he'd had a few affairs that had caused their marriage to break up, and when they got back together, they decided to open the marriage. I was concerned about this, but I did agree to meet up. There was an instant connection with him, and Ellie was sweet. I liked her. We ended up spending a weekend together, and after that, I started to see them.
There were a few things that I was concerned about at that point, like being asked that all my text communications with them be via group text, but then they would still privately text each other. He was very concerned that everything was always “even” with us ladies, from kisses to touches. If I did anything with him, he’d instantly mention that now I needed to do it with her. I had several conversations with them about not wanting to be dating in an (A+B)+C environment, that I needed individual relationships with them both. They continue to assure me this was what they wanted, too.
Within a month, they started talking about wanting me to move in with them, taking my four kids (including my autistic son) out of their schools and moving them in with them.
When I go to events with them, I am introduced as a co-worker. Their relationship with me is secret from their kids and their families, as well. The only people in their life who know are her best friend and his best friend. If there is anyone else in company, I am not allowed to be affectionate with either of them.
When we go out, they do pay for everything for me.
At 1.5 months, I was told that they wanted me to me monogamous with them. When I expressed not wanting that, the next request was that they meet and approve of all my sexual interests, to make sure that no one was trying to take me away from them. We haven't finalized that conversation.
I have asked them if they see me as a secondary, but they both say they see me as an “equal” primary. Although everything is run through Ellie. Ash has come to see me twice without her, and she has to approve what time he comes back. He must keep his phone on loud the whole time, check in frequently, and report what he spends. All the rest of the time, I always only see them together. She also has to approve when they visit, when they leave, and what we do. The couple of times I’ve suggested doing things, she went along and then didn’t like it. I’ve asked them a few times if we can all talk about what we really want out of this, and that I would be okay with being a secondary, as long as we could all just be honest that that’s what they want, and then I could ask for my needs accordingly. They say I am not a secondary.
They are reading The Ethical Slut, which they say is helping them understand all this.
Ellie says she loves me and doesn’t want to lose me, telling me that I’m the only woman who has ever made her cum, and Ash is very happy about this. He also frequently says that he wants her and me to have a better connection, but I told him that it’s between her and me. We’ve had a few fights, and he will get mad at me for something I did, and then they text and discuss me together, but not with me.
I asked Ash the other day what would happen if I ended up in a relationship with just her or just him, and he said that we’re not even going to consider that as an option.
Two weekends ago, Ash apparently got upset, but Ellie and I didn’t realize this. (There was alcohol involved.) When he left the bedroom to go sleep in another room, saying he just didn’t want to sleep in the middle, we took him at his word. We played together on our own and had a really great time. In the morning he came in and told us that he was very upset with us both that we didn’t see that he was angry and come talk to him when he left the room. Then he said that he planned to come ask us if we’d had sex last night, and if we had, that he was going to ask me to leave the house. I asked him why me, when he was upset at us both? He just said that it was because that was their house. I was very hurt by this. I’ve not been able to really let it go. Now he says that I am punishing him for expressing his feelings, and that because he didn’t act on it and go through with it, I am being unreasonable to be hurt by it.
Last night, Ash was drinking again. He called to talk to me and we ended up fighting. It wasn’t a bad fight (I thought); it was over something super stupid, and I thought once we ended the conversation the argument was over. But as the night went on, he got more and more angry, and was texting me angry things. I tried to call him to discuss it, but he denied my call and texted that he didn’t want to talk to me to avoid saying something he would regret, and then texted “Goodnight”. 15 minutes later, I picked up the phone and saw he sent the message: “Text me back or it’s over.” Then 5 minutes after that text, “Goodbye." I hadn't seen them, so I tried texting and calling him back, but he would not reply.
I called Ellie, and she just said that I should text him that I love him and that we can talk in the morning, and that he is drunk, etc. I told her that this was not okay at all, and that I shouldn’t be treated like this. She told me he probably wouldn’t remember it in the morning.
Late in the morning, she texted me that he did remember the whole thing, and that he just needed “time," and to give him a day or two. I called him and left a voice mail that this was a really terrible way to treat someone, and if he was serious, that it's messed up and sad, since the argument was over something unimportant. And if he wasn't serious, and just wanted a reaction or to show his power/anger/control, that's even more messed up, and also abusive. I don’t think someone should use a breakup as a threat. I told him since he didn’t want to contact me, I am going to assume he is serious and that we are done.
This evening he texted that he doesn’t want it to be over, that he’s sorry that he hurt me, and that he promises he will never do that again, but asked if I could also promise that we would never have an argument like that again.
I don’t know what to do.
I am very sorry that this has been so long. I know it sounds like so much drama. I admit I am confused, tired and hurt right now.
My big concern is, am I being unreasonable to feel like I am being treated like a toss-away whenever I’m not “behaving”? Or am I overreacting to normal growing pains of a new poly relationship with people who are new to poly? On the one hand, I see so many red flags, and I feel they are not being honest with themselves about what they want, but on the other hand, I’m worried that I’m not being patient enough with them and giving them time to figure things out.
I’ve asked myself if I feel it is something that can be fixed and grown into, and if there are things I need to grow in and do better with, but with the situation the other day of almost getting sent home for having sex with Ellie, and then now this… I’m too blinded by my feelings of hurt and feeling expendable to be able to see clearly.
Any advice would be very welcome. I am again so sorry that this is so long.
