Discovering you are poly during a marriage

backestobasics

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Okay, so I’ve spent the last couple hours writing a post on here that disappeared when my internet crashed. This is important to me so I’m writing again but this will be more condensed and not near as eloquent. I’ll do my best to maintain the posts humanity and emotion in what will likely be a more summary based post. (this time copying and pasting from a word doc)
After 3 years of marriage I’ve come to truly believe I’m poly. (Its terrifying to discover this while being in the biggest forms of mono relationships)

This is why I believe I’m so late to discover I’m poly…
1. Grew up in a strong catholic family that would surely associate poly with insanity and sin. (to talk about something like this you have to both understand and accept)
2. The nations clear social bias to mono relationships
3. Self understanding comes with time, some of the most important work doesn’t start until your 20’s are later. (for me at least)

I love my wife and while it was scary to understand this new discovery about myself I was anxious to share this with her. I wanted her to understand who I was. And at the stage of where I was I had done a lot of research on the positives and negatives of a poly relationship. But of course there was fear she would have negative feelings towards me because of it.

There were some reasons that made me think she may react positively (to me ”positive” meant accepting me for who I am even if she doesn’t agree with the lifestyle)

1. She is Bi and with my permission has had a sexual encounter with another woman (was not long term)
2. She has had a three some with me and my male best friend. She encouraged these encounters and I found pleasure from it (I’m not gay, I’m not attracted to the male form, I’m also not homophobic. I do love seeing a woman pleased, and while I can do that on my own a mfm offers several more opportunities.)
3. She is fairly against religion and therefore doesn’t have moral holdups based on religion.

But I was also aware of these things which could turn her response negative

1. She has social disorders and depression which heighten fears of abandonment and jealousy
2. We had recently had some troubles in our marriage
3. She was 2 months pregnant.

I know the negative items are some pretty tough stuff to get around but the more I understood myself the less is seemed like poly was a choice. It seemed like I was built as a poly. So it was either ignore my feelings or tell her. As a couple at the time we were also working on honesty and telling her seemed like an important step in that. So I did…

I stayed up late one night for hours writing to her about how I felt I was poly. About how it could help us, me and her. To me this was not an ultimatum letter. I did not tell her to take it or leave it. In fact I was careful to tell her that if she didn’t think something like this would work I understood and would still be there.

Using her words a summary of her response was
1. I accept who you are
2. I do not want that kind of lifestyle.
However her actions afterwords were to on multiple occasions
1. Accuse me of trying to use poly to sleep with whoever I wanted
2. Accuse me of trying to use poly to find someone to replace her

On multiple occasions during these feelings she offered me what she called a “free pass”. The first time, I mistook this as her having accepted poly but not having the verbiage down. However, when I tried to hug her immediately after that conversation she stated that I don’t get to do that anymore as if whatever this free pass was to her meant that we weren’t an emotional couple. So I shut the idea down immediately as it was clearly far from what I wanted. There was no point to me having a poly relationship if we can’t share and bring back those experiences to build us as people.

So I let it go, trying hard to not say anything that even hinted at poly possibilities (as to not set her off). I’m sure I wasn’t 100% successful in that endeavor but it was my goal. That’s the way its been for a long time.
But recently. Shortly after one of the threesomes I had with her and my best friend. She and my best friend started texting, he was telling her that he wished she was poly so they could have encounters alone (Did not suggest or tell him to do that, that would be manipulative) I found out one night about the conversation when she told me about it and said she was considering it. I’m sure I became excited sooner than I should of. The conversation quickly turned to the idea that she agreed that she would have benefit in the encounters but could not handle the jealousy associated with any encounters I might have. The notion disturbed me but seeing no positive place to progress from that I did not continue any poly discussion. However I guess from the guilt she might of felt she offered me another free pass and then went to her parents saying she felt weird.

I talked to her about not using this free pass. She said I should, that I just want to replace her and sleep with a bunch of women and I should just do it. Eventually I got her to come back when I reminded her that in no way did I offer her an ultimatum and that the only reason poly came up recently is because she mentioned it. I told her I can’t hide who I am but I don’t have to act on poly desires….. and that’s how I’ve been living.

And that’s where I am today. Except after that last argument I feel more depressed than usual this week.
I feel insulted that she keeps calling poly a “free pass”.
I feel guilty for ever bring it up in the first place and for being who I am.
I feel guilty for that she has social disorders.
I still don’t feel accepted, I feel closeted.
And I’m lost…
 
Hi backestobasics,

I'm inclined to suggest telling her in no uncertain terms that it's polyamory that you're interested in -- not a free pass. Explain to her what the difference is.

Re:
"The conversation quickly turned to the idea that she agreed that she would have benefit in the encounters but could not handle the jealousy associated with any encounters I might have."

I feel that this needs to be brought up again; I would remind her that she said this and point out that it's a patently unfair stance for her to take. Jealousy is something that can be worked on. I can offer some jealousy-related links if that would help.

I'm sorry you're suffering from guilt feelings; you've done nothing wrong. You've told her the simple truth about your feelings and you haven't tried to act on them against her will.

If you can, I would suggest looking for a poly-friendly counselor (I can provide some links/info to help you do that if you want). It sounds like your wife has some deep-seated issues that she needs help with, and you could probably use some help coping with them.

The landscape can change, though, if kids are involved. Is it your first child that she is/was pregnant with? Once you have a baby in the house, you probably won't have much time for doing anything except taking care of the child. Poly will probably end up on the back burner for several years at least; even counseling might end up on the back burner.

Pregnancy can induce all kinds of hormonal turmoil so that's another reason why you might have to put poly on the back burner for the time being. The best I can tell you for now is that you're not in the wrong and there are options. There is talking about poly as a theory if nothing else. And you can turn to Polyamory.com for a place to vent, get ideas, and just be heard. That's what we're here for.

Rooting for you,
Kevin T.
 
have to put poly on the back burner for the time being

I truly hate the phrase, "putting poly on the back burner," as if you could put a fundamental part of yourself on hold. However, you could put dating NEW people on hold.

OP, the things she says are typical of monoamorous people who believe you can only love one person. THerefore, any other relationships you would desire would have to be with a sexual/physical focus (the idea that men, in particular, need to have sex with lots of women and can never settle with just one) OR a way to keep your current relationship while pursuing a new one (serial monogamy, but with an inability to be single in between relationships).

You can try your best to keep it simple, ensuring over and over again that you desire multiple romantic/emotional relationships, but that you will always be very focused (don't say primarily focused, you may find yourself wanting multiple primaries) on her and her needs. Be aware, however, that she may never really understand this part of you.
 
Your wife has some dysfunctional coping methods. She reframes your honest feelings and explanations into something ugly in order to shut down the conversation and avoid dealing with the issues at hand. She chooses not to understand because she doesn't want to deal. All of these are avoidance tactics. Of course they don't work for either of you.

Unfortunately in the process of not dealing, she is being hurtful. She is making a lot of assumptions that aren't valid, and chooses to stick to those assumptions even when you tell her they are not accurate. It's one thing for her to hear you out and then respectfully state she doesn't share your feelings or couldn't cope. It's another thing to punish you for your honesty.

I agree with Kevin that some counseling may be in order. You two at least need to be able to talk.
 
Your wife has some dysfunctional coping methods. She reframes your honest feelings and explanations into something ugly in order to shut down the conversation and avoid dealing with the issues at hand. She chooses not to understand because she doesn't want to deal. All of these are avoidance tactics. Of course they don't work for either of you.

Unfortunately in the process of not dealing, she is being hurtful. She is making a lot of assumptions that aren't valid, and chooses to stick to those assumptions even when you tell her they are not accurate. It's one thing for her to hear you out and then respectfully state she doesn't share your feelings or couldn't cope. It's another thing to punish you for your honesty.

I agree with Kevin that some counseling may be in order. You two at least need to be able to talk.

She's making assumptions based on a mono mindset. I do believe the difference btw monoamorous and polyamorous people comes down to wiring. It's unfortunate that this means she ends up hurting the OP, but I'm not sure there is anything he can say to change how she thinks :(

Do you know of specific instances, specific ways of framing things, perhaps? That he can use to try to make her understand?
 
She's making assumptions based on a mono mindset. I do believe the difference btw monoamorous and polyamorous people comes down to wiring. It's unfortunate that this means she ends up hurting the OP, but I'm not sure there is anything he can say to change how she thinks :(

Do you know of specific instances, specific ways of framing things, perhaps? That he can use to try to make her understand?

It's a good question! There might be different things the OP could try (will add more to that idea later - work beckons), but she has to want to understand, and I am not sensing that is where she is at the moment.

I agree some people do seem hard-wired for monogamy, but there is a certain amount of brainwashing that is thrown into the mix as well. Hard to tell what is what here.
 
It's a good question! There might be different things the OP could try (will add more to that idea later - work beckons), but she has to want to understand, and I am not sensing that is where she is at the moment.

I agree some people do seem hard-wired for monogamy, but there is a certain amount of brainwashing that is thrown into the mix as well. Hard to tell what is what here.

I'm not sure I buy into the whole 'hard wired' thing in either direction...mono or poly. When I went poly I was 100% sure it was who I WAS that I needed it to be me...I did research, I did soul searching, I looked at my history...and informed my spouse. He had a similar reaction, but we did it.

Now...here I am a year later, about to get divorced, and seriously hoping my boyfriend will consider monogamy at some point. I guess my point is I think we are capable of anything if our minds and hearts are in it, but we are also all capable of failing at any given time.

It concerns me OP, you came to your realization after having marriage troubles. Also, having been pregnant a few times here....NOT a good time to talk about such challenging ,emotional, volatile things.
 
Those thought processes/reactions are also typical of people with anxiety disorders and may actually have nothing to do with her being mono.

I am unequivocally poly. However-anytime I am faced with "new" I have seriously bizarre and unexpected emotional reactions due to my anxiety issues.
It DOES help to have a therapist on-hand that I can talk through those emotional reactions with (which I know are off-balance) because generally I can talk though them and resolve them before they create a relationship clusterfuck.
However-if there isn't a therapist handy-it often comes down to my partner being able to understand that I need to express my emotions in order to put them to rest.

It helps to remind oneself that emotions are like weather, they come and they go. Sometimes they make sense and sometimes, like rain on a clear blue day-they don't.

She has issues with jealousy, insecurity, anxiety... soooo it's to be expected that a topic that triggers ALL of them is going to result in, well all of them being triggered.
The question isn't "how to stop the feelings" or "how to change her mind" because frankly-this has nothing to do with her "mind" or her "thinking". It's emotional reaction. The question is how to deal with her emotions in such a way as to help her work through them productively.
The answer to that is likely going to be learning how to appropriately MANAGE anxiety disorders which-quite frankly does NOT MEAN AVOIDING THE TRIGGERS.
Avoiding triggers is avoiding the managing of the illness. To appropriately manage the illness one needs to learn how to face triggers and work through the emotions.

That said; I don't advise you going out dating or looking for new partners at this time. BAD IDEA.
But-that doesn't mean you can't acknowledge that you are poly.

I would advise learning about her disorders (both of you) and learning how to actually manage them.
 
Those thought processes/reactions are also typical of people with anxiety disorders and may actually have nothing to do with her being mono.

I am unequivocally poly. However-anytime I am faced with "new" I have seriously bizarre and unexpected emotional reactions due to my anxiety issues.
It DOES help to have a therapist on-hand that I can talk through those emotional reactions with (which I know are off-balance) because generally I can talk though them and resolve them before they create a relationship clusterfuck.
However-if there isn't a therapist handy-it often comes down to my partner being able to understand that I need to express my emotions in order to put them to rest.

It helps to remind oneself that emotions are like weather, they come and they go. Sometimes they make sense and sometimes, like rain on a clear blue day-they don't.

She has issues with jealousy, insecurity, anxiety... soooo it's to be expected that a topic that triggers ALL of them is going to result in, well all of them being triggered.
The question isn't "how to stop the feelings" or "how to change her mind" because frankly-this has nothing to do with her "mind" or her "thinking". It's emotional reaction. The question is how to deal with her emotions in such a way as to help her work through them productively.
The answer to that is likely going to be learning how to appropriately MANAGE anxiety disorders which-quite frankly does NOT MEAN AVOIDING THE TRIGGERS.
Avoiding triggers is avoiding the managing of the illness. To appropriately manage the illness one needs to learn how to face triggers and work through the emotions.

That said; I don't advise you going out dating or looking for new partners at this time. BAD IDEA.
But-that doesn't mean you can't acknowledge that you are poly.

I would advise learning about her disorders (both of you) and learning how to actually manage them.

Great point LR. OP< I actually just started a book called "Anxious in Love" ( I have general anxiety disorder) and its incredibly helpful
 
It concerns me OP, you came to your realization after having marriage troubles. Also, having been pregnant a few times here....NOT a good time to talk about such challenging ,emotional, volatile things.

i agree with this. for a successful poly relationship all relationships need to be healthy and on solid ground. trying to bring in a new partner when your existing relationship is on the rocks is a recipe for disaster. i tried that with my ex husband, i allowed him to start a relationship with someone when i had postpartum depression and we fought all the time was a bad idea. actually something that recently happened with Nate and I re-traumatized me from that event. during the time my ex was with her was absolutely horrible.

I also think trying to start a poly relationship with someone when your wife is pregnant is a bad idea. she's going to be hormonal and emotional as it is, being pregnant can be a wonderful time for family but put emotional trauma of your husband going out and trying to start romance with someone else when it's not what you want can just ruin that whole experience. I know for myself I want 100% focus on me when im pregnant. I also need time to lose weight and get over the hormonal stuff after the baby is born before I'd be comfortable with my partner seeking others. AND IM POLY, i can imagine that a year or two after baby is born would be needed.

sounds like she is open to swinging and that can get your foot into the door. when nate and i got together those first few years was strictly FWB type relationships until i was comfortable opening it up to dating and romance. probably residual feelings of betrayal with my ex that made me want to go that slow but also i was had two babies the first few years we were together and i wasnt ready for more. maybe over time her comfort level can increase but i would definitely wait on trying to practice poly until then.
 
I am unequivocally poly. However-anytime I am faced with "new" I have seriously bizarre and unexpected emotional reactions due to my anxiety issues.

this is definitely true for me, especially when im being manic. seems changes that i feel are being thrust upon me makes me freak out and go into a frenzy of emotions that i just cant control.
 
I definitely support the idea of prioritizing having a good handle on existing relationships (regardless of how many there are) before adding new people.

Pregnancy in a poly dynamic can be wonderful. Adding a new change while pregnant is a nightmare.

Much like, having great supportive poly partners while suffering the grief of a death can be wonderful. But trying to start a new dynamic while grieving-a disaster.

It's important to realize that in life there are certain times that are just not optimal for adding anything. Our bodies and minds can only process so much stress. Happy or sad circumstances can be stressful-we need to keep this in mind when dealing with PLANS for change.

Shit happens, and we have to manage it, but it's not necessary to add shit while we are struggling through other shit. It's best to wait until we have a good handle on the shit that we were dealign with.

Mental health issues ARE HEALTH ISSUES. If your partner was struggling through a physical health crisis, what would your priority be? Because it should be the same when dealing with a mental health crisis.

THAT SAID-if the person with the issue refuses to make their own health a priority-that's a WHOLE OTHER set of problems.

It's not ok to use our health issues as excuses for not taking care of ourselves.
It is ok to ask for help working through something, but that implies that we ARE working through it. It's not acceptable to ask for help and sit on our ass and do nothing.

When my mental health was creating problems for our family, Maca backed off from dating new people to be supportive of resolving the problems. That didn't mean I was "off the hook". It meant I was even MORE 'on the hook' to proactively work on my shit and get it under control (which I did).

Definitely need to address those issues that exist in your relationship. it's ok to discuss who you are and what you are. But it's probably best to be realistic about what is or isn't reasonable to DO right now. I like how galagirl explains this in her blog on here. She is poly. But she has chosen to be in a "monoship" with her spouse for now. There are other obligations that take priority.
She notes the importance of being able to talk about her poly feelings/thoughts/interests, and having his acceptance and how that helps make it functionally possible for her to be in a mono dynamic because he's still accepting her for who she is.
I completely agree with this concept.

I am never going to agree to not being myself. But-currently, even though I am bisexual, I don't have TIME to devote to meeting a woman I would be interested in dating. So I am not dating a woman. But-it's important to me that my partners understand and accept that I AM bisexual, being able to talk about how I miss the feel of a woman's touch etc.
 
I'm not sure I buy into the whole 'hard wired' thing in either direction...mono or poly. .

I suspect there is a spectrum and the majority of people could operate either way, depending on circumstances. However, I read an account here - sorry I don't remember who - in which the poster experienced falling out of love with her current partner if she tried to add an additional one - every time. To me that is the very definition of hard-wired for monogamy. It speaks to being able to love only one. That said, she tolerated her poly SO just fine.

So to me "hard-wired for monogamy" means capable of loving only one, but has nothing to do with their reaction to others' poly preferences. That's probably brainwashing in most cases.
 
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I suspect there is a spectrum and the majority of people could operate either way, depending on circumstances. However, I read an account here - sorry I don't remember who - in which the poster experienced falling out of love with her current partner if she tried to add an additional one - every time. To me that is the very definition of hard-wired for monogamy. It speaks to being able to love only one. That said, she tolerated her poly SO just fine.

So to me "hard-wired for monogamy" means capable of loving only one, but has nothing to do with their reaction to others' poly preferences. That's probably brainwashing in most cases.

I hear you BB. I think this is me now...YouAreHere made a beautiful analogy of mono love like that being like a pendulum.
 
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