Polyamorous or is it just commitaphobia? Requesting insight

peanutbutter123

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First I will say I am incredibly new, and the partner I will reference most likely has no concrete knowledge of the polyamorous community. However, I am interested to see if my partner and I could implement polyamorous principles to improve and grow our relationship.

To cut a very long and complicated story short, we started dating 2-3 years ago (I was 25, he was 33.) While we had an immediate and intense physical and emotional connection, the relationship was casual. We bonded over our wariness of the conventional monogamous relationship, and the fact that we were miserable in such relationships in the past. Yet, commitment conflict was a dominant theme in our relationship. Instead of having open communication, we pretended to be exclusive when we both knew we were not, causing lots of tension. On top of this, he struggled with the social pressures of having a traditional monogamous relationship, and felt that he should try to force himself to settle down (i.e. marriage and kids); something I could not offer him.

Fast forward to the end of 2015. An incident occurred which forced us to confront the issues in our relationship.

After lots of discussion, finally I told him “I don’t expect that I can fulfill your every physical and emotional need, and therefore I want you to have freedom. My goal is for you to be happy, not to lock you down or hold you back. In return, I expect the same treatment.” Somehow this opened up the flood gates, and he was very open about the fact that he felt the same way, that he didn’t want to say goodbye to me but that he was still exploring what he wanted. I felt happy that the cycle of denial could end and there was more honesty.

Then he told me about his very good friend whom he has a sexual relationship with, and how she was a big fan of mine. She was the one who had helped him see he shouldn’t give up on me, and she would joke about wanting to have dinner with me. He and I agreed that we would all meet.
Sorry this post is so long, but I’m at the very early stages and trying to figure out a couple things:

1) Based on our history, are we just fooling ourselves, or could this actually work? Deep down I’ve always thought I would only be happy if I had freedom in a relationship, but is this just an easy excuse out of dealing with commitment issues?

2) Our biggest flaw is avoiding communication. Has anybody been in similar situations, and have any concrete guidelines on navigating the waters at the beginning of a flexible relationship?
 
I see a few things you two will want to work out before opening your relationship:

1. Non-monogamy, including poly, doesn't necessarily mean no commitment. If you read the blogs and posts here, you'll find that, in fact, commitment of varying types and degrees are part of many poly relationships. There are members with two spouses, or two households which they help support, or family-style poly with more than 2 partners sharing a home, and many other configurations that would be what many would view as "commitment." Many poly people still desire some form of commitment, even if they're non-monogamous. So, before you decide to take on more partners, each of you should figure out what you want out of relationships. What does "commitment" look like to you, do you have issues committing to certain things, etc.? Be ready to articulate those things clearly to yourselves, your current partner, and your future partner.

In the same vein, commitment does't necessarily equal restricted freedom. I tend to only pursue partnerships with those with the same/similar boundaries as me, so my "freedom" isn't imposed upon to any degree larger than that I impose on myself (for example, I choose to only partake in safer sex, which means clearly I attract partners with the same boundaries).

2. Bad communication. If you already know you're bad at this, don't open up before doing some serious work on yourself to fix it, not just with your current partner, but in general. Communication is key for, I would argue, any healthy relationship, and plays a huge role in successful poly relationships.

As far as guidelines for those opening their relationship to a more flexible model, just do a search on the forums for "opening up," and you'll get a slew of relevant threads!
 
Then he told me about his very good friend whom he has a sexual relationship with, and how she was a big fan of mine. She was the one who had helped him see he shouldn’t give up on me, and she would joke about wanting to have dinner with me. He and I agreed that we would all meet.
Sorry this post is so long, but I’m at the very early stages and trying to figure out a couple things:

1) Based on our history, are we just fooling ourselves, or could this actually work? Deep down I’ve always thought I would only be happy if I had freedom in a relationship, but is this just an easy excuse out of dealing with commitment issues?
When you ask if "this could actually work," what, exactly, is the "this" you are talking about? Are you thinking of being sexually involved with his friend, too (even though you don't know her yet)? Or are you simply referring to being open or poly and having multiple relationships?

It isn't clear to me what you two are planning or considering. Besides, if he's been having a sexual relationship with this other woman while also seeing you, then you already have been in an open relationship with him, it would seem. What would be different about your relationship that has you somewhat confused or worried?

2) Our biggest flaw is avoiding communication. Has anybody been in similar situations, and have any concrete guidelines on navigating the waters at the beginning of a flexible relationship?
If you know where your weaknesses are, then you know what to work on strengthening. What's the problem?
 
I am sorry you struggle.


Based on our history, are we just fooling ourselves, or could this actually work? Deep down I’ve always thought I would only be happy if I had freedom in a relationship, but is this just an easy excuse out of dealing with commitment issues?

If you have commitment issues, you have commitment issues. Mono or poly, you could have the commitment issues. I would treat those things separately -- (commitment issues) and (what model I want for my relationships). Correlation does not imply causation.

After all, some people enter polyamory because they want MORE commitments. Some because they want LESS. It just depends.

If it were me? The order I would take it in would be like this...

1) First communication. What stops each of you from being up front and honest from this point forward? Anything? Sort those things out. Without solid communication, anything else after that is difficult to get clear on. (And knock out your health screenings if you haven't already.)

2) Next... trust rebuilding. You both agreed to be exclusive, but sounds like you both had something on the side and cheated on the agreements. It isn't like poly is "cheat proof."

  • What makes you trustworthy now to keep your new agreements?
  • What makes him trustworthy now to keep his new agreements?
  • Are the new agreements rational, reasonable, doable?

Sort those out with each other.

3) Third figure out what kind of open model you each want, and if that's even compatible. Figure out what you and he want to enter poly for and that it matches.

4) Who are the messy people here for you? Does his partner on the side from before when he cheated -- is that ok with you or that's too messy to deal in?

What about him? Does he have messy people he prefer you not pursue? His brother, his boss, child's teacher?

We all have people who are too "messy" to date. Get clear on that. I would not want DH dating my boss. If they fight or break up I don't need boss taking it out on me and making a weird dynamic or endangering my job security. YKWIM? There's enough people in the world to date without going after messy ones.

5) Then figure out if you want to share a partner or date separately. I suggest dating separately. You've been seeing other people separately anyway.

Then the only big thing that changes here is being honest and up front about it and not keeping things hidden.

I don't know if any of these help you any:

http://openingup.net/resources/free-downloads-from-opening-up/

http://www.practicalpolyamory.com/downloadabledocuments.html

http://www.kathylabriola.com/articles

https://www.morethantwo.com

Galagirl
 
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Hi peanutbutter123,

Re (from OP):
"On top of this, he struggled with the social pressures of having a traditional monogamous relationship, and felt that he should try to force himself to settle down (i.e. marriage and kids); something I could not offer him."

While this doesn't by itself prove that you should try poly, it's worth mentioning that he could theoretically have a wife and kids and still have you as an additional partner as well. (In fact you could theoretically have a husband and kids in addition to him as well.)

I am thinking that you and your partner would do well to read a certain book together, "Opening Up: a guide to creating and sustaining open relationships," by Tristan Taormino.

Hope that helps.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
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