Power dynamics

Tri46guy

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So anyone else find that the thing you have the most insecurity about with your partner's partners is the power dynamics, more so than the sex or emotion?

I guess this is just my own insecurity that I'm continuing to work on, but my wife has never been willing to sub to me and now seems interested in other Dom guys.... Struggling with that.
 
We have had power dynamics to be an issue in our relationships. I used to submit to CJ, and still today he is the only one who is allowed to spank me. He also did not like me dating other Dom guys, and mostly I have not done that. One Dom is enough for me.

My relationship with Mark started as D/s with me being the Domme. That is when I found out that I can switch and that actually I am more dominant naturally. Had mistaken my masochist tendencies as submissiveness, but apparently those two need not walk hand in hand.

However, as life goes on and we three move in together and we all get more responsibilities as we own property together... I realize that the whole D/s arrangement becomes less and less important. We just live together and share our daily lives. Especially I find it harder and harder to submit to my husband. It has to do with the load of everyday responsibilities I have to take care of in our daily life together. I often feel like I am the one keeping the whole family together, and thus - well, subbing is not what I naturally do. I keep the strings in my hand, so to speak.

Don't know if this ranting helps you in any way. Just thought that maybe your wife has not been willing to sub to you out of similar reasons why I find it hard to submit to my husband any more. If so, I can also understand why she'd be interested in an "outside" Dom. With a playmate like that she could feel free of her everyday responsibilities and give away control to another person for a while.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Thanks Nadya - that is kinda helpful to hear. Yeah, I hear you and understand a bit about reasons why all the other stuff in real life can get in the way and make you more comfortable submitting to someone other than your husband. Logically at least I can understand it a bit.

For my wife I can understand some reasons based on her past and growing up why she never wanted to submit to me as her main relationship. I used to think I was Dom only, but then 10 years ago we were butting heads way too much and I tried submitting and found I really liked it. So I guess I am a switch too. Tried to be 24/7 sub and I suck at that I think - I have way too many opinions and too assertive/dom naturally I think. But I do like to be her slave for short periods of time and find subbing a super-intimate spiritual bonding thing. I like to do stuff for her and suffer stuff for her. But I'm still trying to accept that about myself. Frankly I'm still really embarrassed that, as a guy, I like that. Working on that...

So that gets in the way on my side of all this. Plus then my head goes to how this affects the power dynamics if she really does start dating this pretty dom guy who has a very explicit Ds relationship with his wife and generally likes to have his wife participate as a third. I can see my wife getting into domming her a bit too. All that makes my stomach hurt. I'm still working on trying to not take offense if she wants another guy who is dom since I have gone more sub with her, though I always felt I wanted to dom her. Then trying to not be embarrassed about my relationship and feel inferior to the other guy or feel obligated to have power dynamics implicit or explicit with him. Makes me react with more competition to him and sometimes act like a jerk when I really don't need to go there.

Then there is the jealousy/envy that if my wife starts dating him he'll probably end up getting threesomes with my wife and his wife. His wife is mono (at least towards men, but has sex with other women with him) so it's not looking like I will be anything other than friends with her. I like his wife a lot and there are things I like about him, at least we are sort of friends, but my brain still goes to it being "unfair". I know, I know... if I'm envious of what she might be able to have, then I could try to go out and get it myself..

Maybe it will be easier once we get out of the hovering at the edge of it all...if something happens for her with this situation, then we will be 'decided' upon trying poly and then I can/will start looking for something of my own and can decide, depending on who I connect with, whether I want to be D or s or equal with another woman, or with a couple, or with a couple of women.... should I be so lucky to have those choices.

Anyway, thanks for the perspective Nadya.
 
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Hubby tried for a couple of years to be my Dom, to the extent that he set a boundary that he would prefer I not engage in any type of kink or BDSM with any other partner.

But after a little while, it became abundantly obvious that he was, as he put it, "playing Dom." Which didn't do a blasted thing for me; I wanted to actually submit to an actual Dom, not play make-believe with someone who admitted the whole thing made him feel silly. And yet even after we agreed it wasn't working and decided not to bother with it anymore, he still refused for a while to budge on the "no kink or BDSM with others" thing; at that point, it was less about treading on his toes and more about his fears for my safety.

I finally got that sorted out with him this fall, after having a very brief FWB thing with a guy who wasn't into BDSM but had some other kinks that intrigued me. I reminded Hubby that he's known all along that I skew submissive, and that he's known I have some interests that he doesn't share when it comes to sex. I also reminded him that the latter fact was the entire reason he suggested opening the marriage three years ago, and that by being unwilling to be my Dom but also unwilling to let me explore with anyone else, he was once again forcing me to choose between cheating on him or letting him define my sexuality.

(I know some people here are going to say I'm an autonomous adult and can do what I want, which is true on the face of it... but doing what I want in direct opposition to requests from Hubby would lead to far more stress and marital discord than I'm willing to cope with. He doesn't control me, but I do generally choose to either negotiate or give in to what he prefers rather than telling him to go fuck himself and then doing whatever I feel like doing. And he gives me the same respect.)

The outcome of the discussion was that he agreed that it was unfair of him to prevent me from exploring something I felt I wanted/needed to explore, so he agreed to the idea of me finding another Dom or someone to explore other types of kink with. In a case of "coincidence", I met Woody within a week of that discussion.

During the time that Hubby attempted Domness, aside from the obvious issue of him not really being into it, the problem I had was fear of him judging me. This is a fear based in the early years of our relationship, when he was judgmental about a lot of things I wanted to try sexually. It's far easier for me to explore and experiment sexually with someone else, because they're less likely to judge me and because if they do judge me, I can tell them to go to hell, whereas due to finances and other constraints, I can't just walk away from Hubby.
 
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KC43,
Thanks for sharing your story. I do sorta understand cause some aspecs of being a Domme come naturally to my wife, some dont... she rocks my world with some things but if she tries to do things she isnt really into, it doesnt work at all... leaves me sometimes wanting some things...

But I enjoy giving a spanking or tying her up, or anything she might want... I never felt like I was playing at it in the past.. though the once or twice she asked for that recently it did feel a little weird given our more estabished roles, so maybe your point does apply a little... but she rarely ever seems to want to be the sub... so I dont know but I guess the "why" doesnt really matter. You make the point that if she wants it. (Whatever exactly it is) from someone else then my choice is either to say "no" in which case her choice is either to not get it or cheat or for me to say "yes" and let her and deal with my issues with it. Pretty much that sounds like everything else does with poly... so Im working to feel ok with " yes"...
 
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Would it help any if she did not go into details about her activities with other partners she may have? Some people keep their relationships very seperate and might not even share that they have a D/s dynamic with one partner.

Leetah
 
Hi Triguy,

I was wondering, do you to some extent associate Domination with masculinity? If so it might play a role in how you feel about being a sub at times (while it sounds like the other guy is always Domming).

Just a thought,
Kevin T.
 
I was wondering, do you to some extent associate Domination with masculinity? If so it might play a role in how you feel about being a sub at times (while it sounds like the other guy is always Domming.
Kevin - yeah - I resemble that remark. Like I say still trying to accept that aspect of myself and not see it as unmanly or weak. I do a pretty dom job and like being the boss in my working world... my wife says she sees me as pretty dom but I do like to kiss her ass and be her plaything...

And the details thing Leetah mentions is relevant but not exactly in the way envisioned... my wife has not plunged in all the way with him but he is part of my social circles and we hang out with him and his wife a lot so theres no getting away from details about him...

But when it first became clear something was happening between my wife and him a while ago, I grabbed a beer with him to talk about it, but he seemed to have totally made assumptions about me being submissive based on what my wife had told him (which wasnt cool with me at that time) and about how the dynamic between he and I would work... anyway I think I cleared that up and we have had a friendly relationship were we have been hanging out with him and his wife occaisonally. Ive been giving myself exposure therapy of watching my wife dance and flirt with him while we see where this goes but his wife has it all on hold right now...

So I dont know. Guess as I read what Ive written it sounds like its mostly my own issue of accepting my sub half...
 
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"Guess as I read what I've written it sounds like it's mostly my own issue of accepting my sub half ..."

Yeah that's probably a big part of it. :cool:
 
Sounds to me like it's not only the issue of accepting your sub side, but also the fact that since you are presently only involved with your wife and the other wife isn't available to you, you've got a little of the scarcity/insecurity gremlins biting. (I like to envision stabbing them in the eyes with fondue forks. The gremlins. Not the wives.)

To anyone/everyone with the interest, in central Colorado, I recommend the community. Because frankly I just think it's fantastic. Are you going to stuff up there? At Sanc or RR? You could even come down to the Springs if you were thusly motivated, have the time and enjoy driving. But Denver's got good venues and good people, too. I suggest that in tandem with your working on giving your wife the space you want to, to explore what she wants to explore, you consider exploring some of your own stuff, maybe keeping an open eye towards another partner for you, if it's cool with her and all.

Honestly, it can be hard to submit to someone you've got to see day after day and you need to respect you. It can be hard to submit to someone you've seen as submissive to you. It doesn't make you inferior necessarily, if she can ride the Domme role for you with happiness and doesn't need you to be a Dom to be her man...but she might just want to try another flavor and that might require another dude.

I've written about this elsewhere, but I found eventually that I'm not a sub, certainly not a slave. I'm a bottom and a masochist. And I really do need a partner who is sadistic in a true sort of way. It's not a thing that can be pretended by someone who doesn't really have it in them. You can't always be All The Things...and that's ok!
 
Sounds to me like it's not only the issue of accepting your sub side, but also the fact that since you are presently only involved with your wife and the other wife isn't available to you, you've got a little of the scarcity/insecurity gremlins biting.
Probably true. It is a bummer the wife isn't available/interested...

(I like to envision stabbing them in the eyes with fondue forks. The gremlins. Not the wives.)
Sure your not the sadist?

To anyone/everyone with the interest, in central Colorado, I recommend the community. Because frankly I just think it's fantastic. Are you going to stuff up there? At Sanc or RR? You could even come down to the Springs if you were thusly motivated, have the time and enjoy driving. But Denver's got good venues and good people, too. I suggest that in tandem with your working on giving your wife the space you want to, to explore what she wants to explore, you consider exploring some of your own stuff, maybe keeping an open eye towards another partner for you, if it's cool with her and all.
I'm hanging tight for now to make the wife feel comfortable/secure until she decides whether to stick with swinging or do poly. If I start having an eye out, I'm pretty sure it will quickly be two eyes and then other body parts will follow... I'm ok - just using this communication on here to vent a bit...
What are Sanc? RR?

but she might just want to try another flavor and that might require another dude.
You can't always be All The Things...and that's ok!
True. Again, I guess I can look for another flavor too and see if it will be totally different with another woman or if I still prefer this role.. Guess either way is ok.

Thanks for the thoughts Spork!
 
Probably true. It is a bummer the wife isn't available/interested...


Sure your not the sadist?

I can be occasionally. Particularly if one of my lovers asks me to do something of a sadistic nature...I've had some dedicated sadists ask to sample a taste of the other side once in a while.

But the gremlins and fondue forks thing is more me being snarky, which I am pretty much always.


I'm hanging tight for now to make the wife feel comfortable/secure until she decides whether to stick with swinging or do poly. If I start having an eye out, I'm pretty sure it will quickly be two eyes and then other body parts will follow... I'm ok - just using this communication on here to vent a bit...
What are Sanc? RR?

Sanctuary and Rack Room. Do you have a fetlife profile? That's the easiest path to getting into either of those places. I find Sanctuary to be a little...cold...for my liking, in terms of the energy of the space. It feels a bit industrial. Rack Room is warmer and more fun, and the woman who runs the place is a hoot. I go up there once a month for Pyrophiliacs meetings (setting people on fire.) There is a little bit of a process to get in for the first time, for either/any of the venues...but it's not difficult. Like attending an orientation for Sanc, or agreeing to the rules and a phone call for Rack Room. Not a big deal. They are both BDSM clubs but they do have swinger parties if that's more your thing.

True. Again, I guess I can look for another flavor too and see if it will be totally different with another woman or if I still prefer this role.. Guess either way is ok.

Thanks for the thoughts Spork!

No problemo. I've encountered a thing especially with men where the woman is like, "I've got these needs" and the guy is like, "Pick me, pick me! I want to meet your needs!" and they are hurt when she instead wants someone else to do it. The best way I've been able to put it to the guys in my poly life is that I love each of them for what they are, and I don't want them to try and change to be something else. If they did, then I still wouldn't be happy, I'd be lacking what I was getting from the man they are today! Like asking my beloved cat to change into a snake because I also like snakes, and then crying because I no longer have a cat. And when it comes to power exchange roles, I've found that I really do need to do these things with someone who has that natural streak of sadism...where they really are getting something from what they do to me...not merely a kinky lover who is willing to do whatever for my sake. That's like having a woman who fakes orgasms just for your ego's sake, and most men I know would rather not have that! I want my loves to be their own true selves with me. Not attempt to square peg-round hole to fit all my needs. It's one of the main reasons I like polyamory so much.
 
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