I really need some advices about my gf

Hey! I'm Matt.I have a poly gf.ı just love her so much and i don't want to any problems with her.but i live mono since today.after a lots of talks we decide that she can date with someone else but can't have sex with.after a couple days she said it won't be fair for the other person (btw there is no other person yet). I'm not fully mono, it makes me feel weird first but i can get use to it to this. even ıt was hard to say to her that she can date with someone else at the beginning but i understand now(kinda).but there is 2 sides of a romantic relationships : romantic(emotionally) and physical. i can't say to her who she can loves i know that.in first talk we did she said she doesn't have to have sex.this is optional.sooo i'm just thinking.i don't want to share her with someone physically cause this would be the only side only "we" have.this is really important to me.and i did some research and i find some couples can live like this but they also can live like " both us can have sex with someone else but not love".she said my opinion sounds selfish.what should ı do?i mean i'm okay with her feelings and i can't control that.i don't want to or i don't want to try to change her anyway.i just try to find some common point.but i don't want to give up on my opinion.any advices?thanks

btw sorry for my bad english.not my mother tongue

p.s : for mods i create my first post in General Poly Discussions.i'll be appreciative if you guys delete it
 
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we decide that she can date with someone else but can't have sex with.after a couple days she said it won't be fair for the other person (btw there is no other person yet).
Pitfalls of that deal:
- Did you agree on your definition of sex in that talk? Is it "no physical contact" or "no intercourse" or something in between?
- It may be quite hard for her and the other person to have romantic connection and not physical. For many people sex is just a very natural continuation of romance. Also, new relationship energy can be really strong. Hard to say beforehand if she can sustain the boundary or not.

As far as fairness goes, one opinion seems to be, that all relationships should be equal and couple privilege should be eliminated. However many people would tell you there is nothing unfair to the other person if she is upfront about it from the very beginning. IMHO it's fair, if she wants to set a "no sex" boundary beforehand (many people can operate with that for some time at least), but it is good to be prepared for the "never say never" eventuality - if they have a working loving connection for months or years, it may start to feel like a really cruel limit on the no-longer-new relationship. At the same time you may be already used to their relationship. It's good to renegotiate agreements then.

The real problem might be that she doesn't want to commit to this boundary. Ask her, if she does desire sex with other people, to get her honest standpoint in the negotiation.

It is good that you are discussing your standpoints while there is no other person but think about their possible preferences too.

i don't want to share her with someone physically cause this would be the only side only "we" have.this is really important to me.and i did some research and i find some couples can live like this but they also can live like " both us can have sex with someone else but not love".she said my opinion sounds selfish. ...
i just try to find some common point.
Poly is suited for some people, but for some people is not. Yes, it really comes down to finding a common point. It's easy in theory but hard to follow: Sexual exclusivity may be something you cannot do without. Sexual openness may be something she cannot do without. In that case, it's a deal breaker and you must part ways. Both of you should state upfront it that is a deal breaker - there is nothing wrong with having deal breakers. By no means give up your standpoint if that would leave you long-term unhappy - better to seek someone compatible.

Or, if both of you can be happy with some middle ground, there is room for negotiation. She might be willing to make the work to keep your relationship special (like, for example, you create little rituals you have in common instead of sex or during sex, if that would work), and you might be willing to work on the jealousy.
 
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Pitfalls of that deal:
- Did you agree on your definition of sex in that talk? Is it "no physical contact" or "no intercourse" or something in between?
- It may be quite hard for her and the other person to have romantic connection and not physical. For many people sex is just a very natural continuation of romance. Also, new relationship energy can be really strong. Hard to say beforehand if she can sustain the boundary or not.

As far as fairness goes, one opinion seems to be, that all relationships should be equal and couple privilege should be eliminated. However many people would tell you there is nothing unfair to the other person if she is upfront about it from the very beginning. IMHO it's fair, if she wants to set a "no sex" boundary beforehand (many people can operate with that for some time at least), but it is good to be prepared for the "never say never" eventuality - if they have a working loving connection for months or years, it may start to feel like a really cruel limit on the no-longer-new relationship. At the same time you may be already used to their relationship. It's good to renegotiate agreements then.

The real problem might be that she doesn't want to commit to this boundary. Ask her, if she does desire sex with other people, to get her honest standpoint in the negotiation.

Or, if both of you can be happy with some middle ground, there is room for negotiation. She might be willing to make the work to keep your relationship special (like, for example, you create little rituals you have in common instead of sex or during sex, if that would work), and you might be willing to work on the jealousy.

We just talk today before ı come home.She said she doesn't even likes sex.She said she felt like she doesn't enjoy as much as i did.I asked her if there is something wrong with me? And she said no.This is just who i am,how i feel.

And yeah we did a definition of sex.She just allows to kiss her other partner.(bcz i don't think kissing is just sexual).No intercourse or another physical contact(sexual).
Btw i forget to write.I'm 21 and my girlfriend is 19 and we're both bisexual.
I know it could be hard but in the end if she tells her other partner at the beginning she won't have sex i guess this could work.
And today i believe that i finally explain myself to her about this.She said "why must be sex the only thing only we could share?" and i said "if i have right to choose i would choose your emotional side but i know i can't control that.you said it to me." she seems like "oh okay i get it." but i know, this isn't mean "okay i won't do this" .
and she also said i shouldn't worry about it cause she had no sexual feelings.
i said to her if she doesn't want to have sex with me i'm okay with that(of course i wanna touch her but i won't be disrespectful to her).after a while she said she is confused cause she doesn't even know herself but we can do it.she said she feels that physical effect during intercourse but she said she doesn't effect as much i do and she makes some jokes about her libido.we talk about it and she decides to see a doctor about it.
i have also another question for ladies, what can i do to make my partner happy in bed? i don't mean just intercourse.i feel happy when she is satisfied emotionally and physically.i really want to touch her cause i love her so much.but i want to make her enjoy about it too.
Thanks
 
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You and she can create whatever boundaries you like, but some--like the "dating with no sex" boundary--are very, very unlikely to work for many reasons:

-As Tinwen points out, sexual attraction and romantic attraction often go hand-in-hand. By creating the "no sex" boundary, you're both setting the stage for a lot of resentment, drama, and broken promises.

-You are trying to control someone *else's* relationship (her potential other lovers). This always ends badly (there are many threads here about that). You are trying to exert control in order to avoid dealing with the real issues, but those issues will not go away. Jealousy and insecurity cannot be solved by forcing control of someone else's relationship, those are things you have to work on within yourself. If you feel that, once she starts dating others, the only "special" thing you'll have in your relationship is sex, you might want to consider why you think that. Every relationship is different, and she will have feelings and experiences differently with each person she dates.

-You must know this will make it almost impossible for her to date anyone else, and I wonder if that's not part of the plan. The vast majority of people would not date someone who said "we can date, fall in love, etc., but we have to be celibate." Would you? Not only do most people want the option of physical intimacy, but the "my partner isn't comfortable with me having another penis, so we can't have sex" thing would pretty immediately tell me that the relationship is 1) at the whim of someone I am not even involved with, which is ridiculous, and 2) going to be full of huge amounts of drama, as the other partner is clearly not comfortable with the situation and only going along with it because they feel pressured into it. Ick.

You may simply be wired as mono, and that is totally fine. Don't beat yourself up trying to conform to something you aren't. Express your needs, create a safe space for her to express hers, and the identify if there's an actual, working compromise. If not, it may be time to part romantic ways.
 
It's actually fairly common for women to have less of a "spontaneous" libido than men, and need a bit more warming up to enjoy sex. None of us can tell you how to please your girlfriends sexually--every woman is different, just as is every man. I've had girlfriends who love oral sex and girlfriends who could care less about it. Some women like longer sex, some women like shorter sex. While she should be seeing a gyn for regular exams, unless she's experiencing pain or discomfort, it's statistically probably that nothing at all is "wrong" with her. There may be all kinds of reasons she's not enjoying sex "as much as" you are that could range from her being self-conscious about her body or sexuality, to simply having no idea what feels best to her, to believing what porn says about what sex should be like, to simply not having sexual chemistry with you, to being just a less-sexual person.

You are both young, and sound like perhaps you could use some more in-depth sex education. I highly recommend the book "She Comes First," for you both. It's at least a good start. There are a lot of resources on the net.

And, you, yourself, should look into some resources about control issues, and the idea that you can or should control someone else's sexuality, specifically why you feel that it's okay to try and control your GF sex (you all but say above you'd control her emotions if you could, but since you can't you'll control her sexuality, indicating you feel you have a need and a right to do so, which is deeply unhealthy).
 
You and she can create whatever boundaries you like, but some--like the "dating with no sex" boundary--are very, very unlikely to work for many reasons:

-As Tinwen points out, sexual attraction and romantic attraction often go hand-in-hand. By creating the "no sex" boundary, you're both setting the stage for a lot of resentment, drama, and broken promises.

-You are trying to control someone *else's* relationship (her potential other lovers). This always ends badly (there are many threads here about that). You are trying to exert control in order to avoid dealing with the real issues, but those issues will not go away. Jealousy and insecurity cannot be solved by forcing control of someone else's relationship, those are things you have to work on within yourself. If you feel that, once she starts dating others, the only "special" thing you'll have in your relationship is sex, you might want to consider why you think that. Every relationship is different, and she will have feelings and experiences differently with each person she dates.

-You must know this will make it almost impossible for her to date anyone else, and I wonder if that's not part of the plan. The vast majority of people would not date someone who said "we can date, fall in love, etc., but we have to be celibate." Would you? Not only do most people want the option of physical intimacy, but the "my partner isn't comfortable with me having another penis, so we can't have sex" thing would pretty immediately tell me that the relationship is 1) at the whim of someone I am not even involved with, which is ridiculous, and 2) going to be full of huge amounts of drama, as the other partner is clearly not comfortable with the situation and only going along with it because they feel pressured into it. Ick.

Basically you said this could work but it may not too.%10 to %90.First of all i think it depends on a person.I mean it could be someone who doesn't care about sexuality.You also said i want this because i have jealousy and insecurity.This isn't about that.If i feel insecurity or anything else i shouldn't even let her date with another person.I always know she is poly, she said it at the beginning.I can't describe it, i just felt something, saw something and this relationship worth it all.
I said it before "if i have a choice i would choose her romantic side".This isn't about sex.This is about being exclusive.She might experience something else with someone else in another date.I try to feel okay with that and i'm not feeling bad about it anymore.She said i would be her primary no matter what and i'm glad but to feel this i need something.Like i said there is 2 sides of a romantic relationship.I don't want to control anything or anyone.I just want to something that only we share.And i understand if she can loves anyone else while loves me.But other thing is optional.There is a lot of people who live like this.I need to feel that ı'm primary.For this i need "our thing".That's all.And even if i love somebody i would said that i won't have sex with her/him because of my reasons.Plus i live mono since today.I try to reach her point and this is hard.We must find some common point.For finding a common point ı believe everyone have to do some sacrifices.Yes, she said that she is poly at the beginning.Yes i said that i'm gonna accept that.I try to do my best.I don't want to upset her.But i also try to find some common point.I just be with her.Try to understand please.
 
and i said "if i have right to choose i would choose your emotional side but i know i can't control that.you said it to me."
Thanks

DLF, you came here asking for advice from people more experienced than you. Tinwen and I have both answered your words from that perspective. No one here has any ill will, and generally we all try very hard to understand. What we are answering is your words themselves, such as I've quoted above, which is all we can do. It is up to you to take the advice or leave it after that, but no one here offers advice in anything other than the spirit of helpfulness.

The quote above reads as, at least to me "I can't control your emotional side, so I'll control your sexual side, because I have to feel that something belongs to me." Wording says a lot about the person saying it, often without them realizing or intending it.

You may not read jealousy and insecurity into your post, but demands like "no sex" and wording like "shouldn't let her" are born pretty much of only that type of emotion. There is no positive, affirming, secure emotion that breeds such strictures (yes, there can be practical reasons for this, such as risk of STDs, pregnancy concerns, medical issues, etc., but your reasoning is strictly emotion based, as far as you've stated). Sexual exclusivity within a fully mono relationship isn't the same thing as "date and fall in love, but *I* control your sex life." This isn't a put-down. Pretty much everyone is jealous and/or insecure at some point and on some level. It's the work we do on *ourselves* to figure out the actual root of these emotions that helps us, not placing restrictions on others. Jealousy is often a very simple label used to describe very complex emotions, and it's pretty much always worth untangling those emotions and the causes of them, regardless of whether your poly or mono. It can only help you.

Yes, theoretically it could work. Theoretically, so can many things that, in reality, have very little chance of success. That doesn't mean you can't try for it, but it does mean you should both be aware and honest about what that actually means in terms of consequences. There is a small percentage of people in the world who are totally asexual with their romantic partners; and, while this is a totally viable relationship, the chances of that person also being poly, and attracted to your GF, and compatible with her, and okay with being totally secondary to you are just statistically incredibly unlikely because you decrease the dating pool tremendously with each caveat. You can both agree that is okay, and pursue that; but, know that it can also (and often/usually does) result in much unhappiness by pretty much everyone. It sounds like a reasonable compromise because it comes closest to making you happy right now, but you both should have an actual plan and a safe space to talk about desired changes for when things change and come up (because they will). Not doing so will have it's own consequences, which I listed above (resentment, broken promises, etc.).

Again, it is OKAY to be mono. Poly isn't any better or worse, it's just another relationship structure. But, if you are going to go down the mono/poly path, there will be a lot of self-work involved, too. What seems like a good compromise from the inside of what is, clearly, a very emotionally challenging time in your relationship is something we've seen here so, so many times before. Those veterans of the board who have experience in poly can really be helpful, if you'll take a deep breath and look at the posts with the idea that the responses are usually from people who have experienced and/or seen others experience what you are going through. Take some time and read some of those threads. Tinwen and I aren't warning you about pitfalls because we want to bully you into doing something else: we're doing it to help you avoid them, or at least have some idea how difficult it's going to be and to help you develop a plan for dealing with them.
 
DLF, you came here asking for advice from people more experienced than you. Tinwen and I have both answered your words from that perspective. No one here has any ill will, and generally we all try very hard to understand. What we are answering is your words themselves, such as I've quoted above, which is all we can do. It is up to you to take the advice or leave it after that, but no one here offers advice in anything other than the spirit of helpfulness.

The quote above reads as, at least to me "I can't control your emotional side, so I'll control your sexual side, because I have to feel that something belongs to me." Wording says a lot about the person saying it, often without them realizing or intending it.

You may not read jealousy and insecurity into your post, but demands like "no sex" and wording like "shouldn't let her" are born pretty much of only that type of emotion. There is no positive, affirming, secure emotion that breeds such strictures (yes, there can be practical reasons for this, such as risk of STDs, pregnancy concerns, medical issues, etc., but your reasoning is strictly emotion based, as far as you've stated). Sexual exclusivity within a fully mono relationship isn't the same thing as "date and fall in love, but *I* control your sex life." This isn't a put-down. Pretty much everyone is jealous and/or insecure at some point and on some level. It's the work we do on *ourselves* to figure out the actual root of these emotions that helps us, not placing restrictions on others. Jealousy is often a very simple label used to describe very complex emotions, and it's pretty much always worth untangling those emotions and the causes of them, regardless of whether your poly or mono. It can only help you.

Yes, theoretically it could work. Theoretically, so can many things that, in reality, have very little chance of success. That doesn't mean you can't try for it, but it does mean you should both be aware and honest about what that actually means in terms of consequences. There is a small percentage of people in the world who are totally asexual with their romantic partners; and, while this is a totally viable relationship, the chances of that person also being poly, and attracted to your GF, and compatible with her, and okay with being totally secondary to you are just statistically incredibly unlikely because you decrease the dating pool tremendously with each caveat. You can both agree that is okay, and pursue that; but, know that it can also (and often/usually does) result in much unhappiness by pretty much everyone. It sounds like a reasonable compromise because it comes closest to making you happy right now, but you both should have an actual plan and a safe space to talk about desired changes for when things change and come up (because they will). Not doing so will have it's own consequences, which I listed above (resentment, broken promises, etc.).

Again, it is OKAY to be mono. Poly isn't any better or worse, it's just another relationship structure. But, if you are going to go down the mono/poly path, there will be a lot of self-work involved, too. What seems like a good compromise from the inside of what is, clearly, a very emotionally challenging time in your relationship is something we've seen here so, so many times before. Those veterans of the board who have experience in poly can really be helpful, if you'll take a deep breath and look at the posts with the idea that the responses are usually from people who have experienced and/or seen others experience what you are going through. Take some time and read some of those threads. Tinwen and I aren't warning you about pitfalls because we want to bully you into doing something else: we're doing it to help you avoid them, or at least have some idea how difficult it's going to be and to help you develop a plan for dealing with them.


First..thanks and i'm sorry.I'm sorry for being rude while i asking for advice. I'm just really sensitive about this.I mean when i saw that about insecurity and that stuff i just feel really really bad.

Like i said we did so many talks and i don't know what i'm gonna do about it anymore.She doesn't want to talk about it cause we can't find any common point.
I'll be honest about my feelings this time.I may like people when i'm dating with her.I know that.It happened before.But i don't call it love.My love perspective is a little bit different than polyamory love perspective.And even she called it love(while she dating me she can date anyone else and i think secondary primary think works like-for me- primary is your lover etc. secondary is just someone you likes and stuff not powerful as love).That's her life and her choices.I totally respect that.
But i can't think someone else about i'm thinking about sexuality.I feel like she must be the only one who should touch me.I don't want to anyone else,and i don't even want to think about it.
While i feel like like this,i just don't want to be someone else touch her like this.I mean not intercourse or something.I talk about that first touch and kissing her while cuddle her.When i feel like this way this situation is not fair.This is not a about anything else.That situation is very special and i don't want to share this moment anyone but her.I mean i can sleep with someone else(someone i like or date i mean) but i don't want to.And i guess i just want to make her feel like this too.That's all i'm trying to say.
Everybody that i tell this situation think like "ew maan,so just sex? is it the only one special? only exclusive thing between you and her is sex? meeh" it's not about intercourse or something,it's not about pleasure,it's not about lust.it's just about something i feel and i don't want to see she shares that connection with anyone else.when i'm think about that someone will(girl or boy doesn't matter) touch her like this,imagine them like this,its driving me crazy.but like i said i don't want to upset her.but i don't know what i'm gonna do.
 
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First..thanks and i'm sorry.I'm sorry for being rude while i asking for advice. I'm just really sensitive about this.I mean when i saw that about insecurity and that stuff i just feel really really bad.

Like i said we did so many talks and i don't know what i'm gonna do about it anymore.She doesn't want to talk about it cause we can't find any common point.
I'll be honest about my feelings this time.I may like people when i'm dating with her.I know that.It happened before.But i don't call it love.My love perspective is a little bit different than polyamory love perspective.And even she called it love(while she dating me she can date anyone else and i think secondary primary think works like-for me- primary is your lover etc. secondary is just someone you likes and stuff not powerful as love).That's her life and her choices.I totally respect that.
But i can't think someone else about i'm thinking about sexuality.I feel like she must be the only one who should touch me.I don't want to anyone else,and i don't even want to think about it.
While i feel like like this,i just don't want to be someone else touch her like this.I mean not intercourse or something.I talk about that first touch and kissing her while cuddle her.When i feel like this way this situation is not fair.This is not a about anything else.That situation is very special and i don't want to share this moment anyone but her.I mean i can sleep with someone else(someone i like or date i mean) but i don't want to.And i guess i just want to make her feel like this too.That's all i'm trying to say.
Everybody that i tell this situation think like "ew maan,so just sex? is it the only one special? only exclusive thing you and her is sex? meeh" it's not about intercourse or something,it's not about pleasure,it's not about lust.it's just about something i feel and i don't want to see she shares that connection with anyone else.when i'm think about that someone will(girl or boy doesn't matter) touch her like this,imagine them like this,its driving me crazy.but like i said i don't want to upset her.but i don't know what i'm gonna do.

It's important to realize that no amount or type of rules will keep her from feeling that connection with someone if it's there. And, in fact, that connection is part of what most people go into polyamory exactly for. And you are right, it is very special! It's not just sex, it's intimacy, and even if you and she agree on no sex, you cannot forestall intimacy, which can happen in so many ways and forms. And, she clearly wants this kind of connection. Just as it's not fair for her to ask you to change how you feel, it is not fair for you to tell her she cannot feel a certain way.

There is nothing you can say or do to make someone else feel something they do not. It sucks. We all wish we could do just that, the world would be so much easier!

Also, while you can (and should) be reasonable and tactful in your expression of your feelings, you cannot control whether she is hurt by your truths. Jus as she cannot control that you are hurt by hers. You feel your feelings. Her feelings are hers to feel. Just as you can choose how to react to your feelings to her wants and needs by working with them or trying to understand them or by leaving, she gets to do the same. She can't do this if you aren't being open and honest, and things will just get messier the longer that goes on.

It seems as though you are hard-wired for monogamy, which is totally fine. She is not, it seems. Sometimes, loving someone is not enough. When you are younger, especially, I think it is so easy to get caught up in the "but I love them, so it must work out, because love conquers all!" The reality is, love comes in many forms and from many avenues, but love is not enough to make a relationship work. Compatibility is just as important, and you can love someone without being compatible. That is one of the hardest lessons of life, I think, when that first person comes into your life and you fall so hard, only to find that you have different ideas about life that are fundamentally not going to work together. The compassionate road to both yourself and your love in that moment is to lovingly move your relationship away from romantic involvement so you can both heal and find more suitable partners before resentment sets in. You may not be there yet, and perhaps you can both find a way to make it work; but, take a step back and look at what you both want in life while you are negotiating. In some cases, it is better to end things quickly so the healing can begin than to keep the hurt cycle going. Again, you may not be there at this point, but it's something to think on as you go forward.
 
Hi Matt,

I just want to put to you the idea that maybe what you and your girlfriend have is unique no matter what she has with someone else. Everyone is unique, and all relationships are unique too. I know you want to control either the sexual side of her or the emotional side, but do consider letting both sides go. She is her own person, and you are a unique partner to her.

Hopefully that helps,
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
It's important to realize that no amount or type of rules will keep her from feeling that connection with someone if it's there. And, in fact, that connection is part of what most people go into polyamory exactly for. And you are right, it is very special! It's not just sex, it's intimacy, and even if you and she agree on no sex, you cannot forestall intimacy, which can happen in so many ways and forms. And, she clearly wants this kind of connection. Just as it's not fair for her to ask you to change how you feel, it is not fair for you to tell her she cannot feel a certain way.

There is nothing you can say or do to make someone else feel something they do not. It sucks. We all wish we could do just that, the world would be so much easier!

Also, while you can (and should) be reasonable and tactful in your expression of your feelings, you cannot control whether she is hurt by your truths. Jus as she cannot control that you are hurt by hers. You feel your feelings. Her feelings are hers to feel. Just as you can choose how to react to your feelings to her wants and needs by working with them or trying to understand them or by leaving, she gets to do the same. She can't do this if you aren't being open and honest, and things will just get messier the longer that goes on.

It seems as though you are hard-wired for monogamy, which is totally fine. She is not, it seems. Sometimes, loving someone is not enough. When you are younger, especially, I think it is so easy to get caught up in the "but I love them, so it must work out, because love conquers all!" The reality is, love comes in many forms and from many avenues, but love is not enough to make a relationship work. Compatibility is just as important, and you can love someone without being compatible. That is one of the hardest lessons of life, I think, when that first person comes into your life and you fall so hard, only to find that you have different ideas about life that are fundamentally not going to work together. The compassionate road to both yourself and your love in that moment is to lovingly move your relationship away from romantic involvement so you can both heal and find more suitable partners before resentment sets in. You may not be there yet, and perhaps you can both find a way to make it work; but, take a step back and look at what you both want in life while you are negotiating. In some cases, it is better to end things quickly so the healing can begin than to keep the hurt cycle going. Again, you may not be there at this point, but it's something to think on as you go forward.

Actually first of all i'm confused about myself.There is something going on in my mind and i don't understand.Like i said i may like other persons like she does and i told her about this.She said this is completely fine.Plus the weird thing is we are like puzzle pieces.I mean not just love and stuff.It's like she is also my best friend and ı'm feel so comfy with her.I had trust issues,i didn't even sleep till morning till this day.Except her.Actually everything is pretty fine right know.We don't even fight about something.When someone has a problem about something other person calls and tells what's wrong and stuff.After that we try to figure it out and talking hours.This is actually the best part of our relationship.We have a real good communication.
So,this is the only thing that we don't find a common point.I believe someday we'll find but like i said i just don't know how yet.
Plus, ı saw you said that i'm fully mono.I guess ı'm not but ı'm not sure either.Like i said i did like somebody before and i we talk about it and it didn't happen for several reasons.So i'm okay with that.
I don't want to sound selfish but i guess i want something.I'm taking a step to her(i was fully mono and you know i try to expand myself)and ı expect to same.I believe that we'll find a common point if we try to take a step to each other.
 
Hi Matt,

I just want to put to you the idea that maybe what you and your girlfriend have is unique no matter what she has with someone else. Everyone is unique, and all relationships are unique too. I know you want to control either the sexual side of her or the emotional side, but do consider letting both sides go. She is her own person, and you are a unique partner to her.

Hopefully that helps,
Sincerely,
Kevin T.

Thanks Kevin.
I know what you trying to say but she already said that :D
I know everybody is unique but how can i say that? Basically i need something that separate us from our other partners.Being primary is a thing yeah.But to feel that i need something that separate us from our other partners.I hope i can explain myself.
 
Well, only you can know what can separate you from other partners. I tend to think it's an automatic thing, but then, each person's situation is unique and yours is too. So, who knows what can separate you from other partners.
 
Well, only you can know what can separate you from other partners. I tend to think it's an automatic thing, but then, each person's situation is unique and yours is too. So, who knows what can separate you from other partners.

I mean something like that
Me and Her = 1234
Me and M.O.P = 123 (m.o.p = my other partner)
Her and H.O.P = 123 (h.o.p = her other partner)

I think this explains better. Plus i don't want to see that she shares that connection(that feels on a sexual situation) with someone else.
Basically if we say that 1-) romantic 2-)friendship 3-)spent time together 4-)sexual actions.We'll just have another connection than others.That's all.
 
Maybe you just need better communication (with your girlfriend)? Just a thought.
 
I feel like she must be the only one who should touch me.I don't want to anyone else,and i don't even want to think about it.

That is fine. That is your preference.

  • You want to date only 1, love only 1, share sex with only 1.
  • You like 1 + 1 best.

You can pick what you like best for you. That is ok.

In the first post? You say this.

i don't want to try to change her anyway.

Lower down you say this...

i just don't want to be someone else touch her like this.I mean not intercourse or something.I talk about that first touch and kissing her while cuddle her.When i feel like this way this situation is not fair.This is not a about anything else.That situation is very special and i don't want to share this moment anyone but her. I mean i can sleep with someone else(someone i like or date i mean) but i don't want to.And i guess i just want to make her feel like this too.That's all i'm trying to say.

But that is the thing right there. (You don't want to change her) AND (you want to change her.)

If you step back away from it -- can you see that you cannot change her even if you tried? You are not her. She does not feel like you.

She wants:

  • She wants to date more than 1 person, share love with more than 1 person, and sometimes share sex with more than 1 person.
  • That is her preference.
  • She was honest about it from the beginning when she told you she wants polyamory.

You cannot MAKE her change her preferences to match yours. You are not in charge of her brain or her body or her life.

Just like she cannot MAKE you change your preferences to match hers. She is not in charge of your brain, or your body or your life.

I think you could work to accept that while you might like each other a lot? It is not a match for a romance here. Friends, yes. Romance no. Because liking each other is not enough. There must be compatibility in preferences. You do not have that here.

You want something exclusive -- just you and her. 1 + 1.

She wants polyamory. NOT just you and her. She wants something NOT exclusive -- 1 + 1 + 1 (or more).

You might think a primary-secondary model will "solve it" so you find "a common point." But that is not a common point of "we both love doing polyamory. W both love primary-secondary model best."

If you are only doing a primary-secondary model with her as the "shared GF" to get to be with her? You are not doing polyamory because (you love to do polyamory.) You are doing polyamory that you don't really want just to get to be with her. Over time, that choice gets rough and can lead to growing resentments. :(

She cannot give you what you want. The sooner you both accept that, the sooner you both can stop feeling bad about it. Not everyone you date will be a match.

But the problem is i have no solution.

There is a solution.

If you want to find the common point that DOES work right now? With nobody going against their preferences? Without growing resentments?

I think "friends" is the common point that does work. Then nobody is doing things that goes against their preferences. And you can enjoy each other's company as friends.

I'm sorry. I can guess that's not what you want to hear right now. :(

I can guess it is hard to accept friends might be best here when you like her so much that you want more than friends.

I encourage you to pick what is healthy though. And not twist yourself up.

Galagirl
 
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It sounds like you think that mono people are never attracted to other people. That isn't at all the case! Most mono people do experience attraction to others when they are in a monogamous relationship, they simply do not desire a relationship configuration that includes more than one of those people at a time. That doesn't mean they don't feel attracted to others, just that they, like you, don't want more than one romantic/intimate relationship at a time.

So, you being attracted to someone other than your partner doesn't mean you do not prefer mono relationships. You not wanting to date anyone else, feel an intimate connection with anyone else, or have anyone else touch you, or have your partner experience those kinds of connections with anyone else...that combination says, pretty clearly, you do prefer mono.

Again, that is OKAY!! GalaGirl is spot on with her post. And, while you are "puzzle pieces" in many other ways, this isn't like not agreeing on a brand of coffee. This is a large part of a life together. For many people, most things work in a relationship, but one big issue does not. They may be very compatible on every front but one, and if that one is a large life choice such as relationship style (or wanting children, moving out of country, etc.), all the others will not matter in the long run. The reality is one thing not being in synch can often be a relationship breaker. And that, too, is okay. Most relationships don't end up as life-long matches. Even in mono relationships, the vast majority of people do not marry the first, second, or third person they date. Dating helps us solidify who we are, what we want, and what kind of partner(s) we work best with, no matter if we're poly, mono, swingers, straight, gay, or other.
 
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