MrFarFromRight
Banned
DOUBLE BUMMER!!!
While I, on another [reply] window, was typing out my penultimate, [not entirely] frivolous comment, you were typing and posting your much more serious one. Then, while I was preparing a reply to that, a clumsy thumb erased the whole of what I'd typed. And now I see that you have logged off before reading the last express note. and who knows when you'll log in here again?
Start again. Behave yourself, Thumb!
"Communicate, communicate, communicate! One of the fundamentals of successful poly. Be open, be honest. Including expressing doubts, fears, and wishes. If he felt that you should go slower, he should be honest with you about that. That is not to say that he should impose that on you, but that you should talk about it. You were also right to reply that that [his suggesting his rules and his timetable] doesn't appeal to you, that you don't do that with him."
Be always aware that both of you are new to this and that care needs to be taken in picking your way forwards. Different strokes for different folks (2nd time I've written that today on this forum).
But then it gets worse.

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Tell Mechanic that what he did is right out of order (you've done that). Tell him that you'd like to trust him, but that he has proven to you that you can't. And that until he proves that you can, you'll be changing the password (PIN, whatever) on your phone and locking it against him whenever it's not clutched in your grubby little hand. Harsh words, but he's got to get his shit together.
This lying has happened before and you have children. He should not let them grow up believing that dishonesty between partners is OK.
This took more than 6 minutes to type out. Sorry!
Can I give you a hug?
While I, on another [reply] window, was typing out my penultimate, [not entirely] frivolous comment, you were typing and posting your much more serious one. Then, while I was preparing a reply to that, a clumsy thumb erased the whole of what I'd typed. And now I see that you have logged off before reading the last express note. and who knows when you'll log in here again?
Start again. Behave yourself, Thumb!
I only have 2 problems with this: the slight niggle caused by "after cuddling for a bit" (as if he were maybe trying to get you in the right mood); and "before I could even answer him". Even after finishing reading the paragraph (your reaction to that), my reaction was to reply:Last night he got home from his date and after cuddling for a bit he wanted to know if I was planning on sleeping with New Guy on Friday when we go out, and said that he didn't think it would be a good idea before I could even answer him.
"Communicate, communicate, communicate! One of the fundamentals of successful poly. Be open, be honest. Including expressing doubts, fears, and wishes. If he felt that you should go slower, he should be honest with you about that. That is not to say that he should impose that on you, but that you should talk about it. You were also right to reply that that [his suggesting his rules and his timetable] doesn't appeal to you, that you don't do that with him."
Be always aware that both of you are new to this and that care needs to be taken in picking your way forwards. Different strokes for different folks (2nd time I've written that today on this forum).
But then it gets worse.
And WORSE.Then this morning I wasn't feeling well so went to the bathroom and when I came back Mechanic was on my phone, looking through my messages.
And WORSE!What's further is he lied to me about it and said that he was just checking the weather on it because his phone wasn't working right.
But there are some good bits:He's always doing things like that, if its something he thinks will upset me he'll just lie rather than be honest. [...] In the past he's kept lying about it to the point where it's felt like gaslighting to a degree. I'll know what I saw and know that what he's giving me is an entirely irrational/unlikely explanation but he'll keep insisting until I begin to doubt myself or turn my hurt feelings around until I feel even worse for feeling bad/upset/betrayed because it hurts him.
I tell him everything that would be important to him
A friend of mine was married to a pastor (ecclesiastical, not bucolic). She started suspecting that he was having an affair with X and asked him about it (several times) to his face. He denied it, told her that she was crazy, "seeing ghosts", etc. At the same time, he was throwing in her face the "fact" that he had more reason to be jealous of her that she of him, because of her [platonic] friendship with me. (Although I fancied her and - it later transpired - she me, nothing ever happened between us in that way, because she would never accept a poly relationship. Too prone to jealousy and attached to standard ideals of fidelity. [I'm very faithful... but can be so to several people, including several lovers.]) He was having an affair (with X - I've never been certain whether X's husband knew about it or found out about it later... silly me, he must have done: read on). She left him. (Actually, since they have 3 daughters, HE moved out of their church-owned house [also resigned as pastor and became - wait for it - a therapist] and she stayed there with the daughters until she found another place [several months later]. A curious situation to say the least, since she was an agnostic and the new pastor had to find somewhere else to live.) Her nerves were totally shot through months of being gaslighted and she spent months if not years in therapy... found a new man, bought a house together with him... and it happened all over again. Affair, denial, therapy. (i sometimes wonder if she'd have been better off with me.I did some research on gaslighting this morning
Tell Mechanic that what he did is right out of order (you've done that). Tell him that you'd like to trust him, but that he has proven to you that you can't. And that until he proves that you can, you'll be changing the password (PIN, whatever) on your phone and locking it against him whenever it's not clutched in your grubby little hand. Harsh words, but he's got to get his shit together.
This lying has happened before and you have children. He should not let them grow up believing that dishonesty between partners is OK.
This took more than 6 minutes to type out. Sorry!
Can I give you a hug?