Getting off the escalator VS Breaking up VS I need to chill out

Janis

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Hey all, I'm new here! I've read the guidelines but this is my first post so let me know if I'm leaving anything out, breaking rules, etc.

I've been with my bf for 6ish years now. We have been in theory open the whole time but in practice about a year. We both have other partners that we have been with for about that whole year. Everything felt incredibly easy until recently.

To get right to the point I don't feel like he loves me anymore. He tells me he does all the time (4-5 times a day even) but he doesn't really want to tell me about his day, hear about mine, or play with me anymore. We touch less, we have less sex, we play less and we are more snippy at each other than usual. I love him dearly and also I feel very disconnected from him. I've asked for some specific things (kiss me before you get out of bed in the morning, talk to me about your day etc) and they aren't happening.

I'm really overworked and feeling under-appreciated. He is going to go visit his gf (out of the country) in a couple weeks and I'm irritated for several reasons:

1) It's expensive and we are broke. I'm working a lot and he isn't. The house is falling apart and we can't afford to fix it.

2) It means I won't see him/get to relax with him while neither of us are in school. He is literally gone the entire break from school.

3) I was sad about him leaving but understanding that LDR's are hard and this was one of few times he would get to see her. I asked for some specific house chores to be done before he left so that they didn't all fall on me while he was gone. I felt like this would help me feel less like he was getting to run off and play with his fun girlfriend while his house girlfriend (me) stayed home and worked. He did those things but not very happily and with a seeming lack of understanding about why they felt important to me.

So, if I'm on the organized and worrier end of the spectrum he is on the don't worry about it it'll turn out fine in the end of things. Under normal conditions those things have complemented each other well. He chills me out and I get him off his ass. Now it feels like those differences between us are actually incompatabilities because I don't feel like he is meeting me half-way anymore. I'm in school full time, working part time and keeping track of things that need done around the house. I recently stopped cleaning and the place became a pig-sty.

I'm not happy and I'm crying all the time. He has for years told me that he wanted to get married. We live together and our money is (loosely and not with clear boundaries) tied. I've always hesitated because marriage freaks me out and because I wanted to see if his mental health stayed where it had been for a while. He deals with anxiety and depression and I wanted to see if he continued getting better and was able to manage those things well over the long term.

So, now, here we are.The things I've been thinking about are:

1) If I should try to get off the escalator that we've been on and move out. I'm wondering if I had my own space, didn't have to clean or see his mess/ deal with his level of disorganization that maybe I would feel less like my needs weren't getting met and we could go back to being really fun partners to each other. He is never going to want things to be as clean as I do, or do his taxes on time or remember what day the recycling goes out to the street and I worry I'm wanting him to be someone he isn't. I should note that we absolutely rely on each other financially right now and it would be extremely difficult on both of us to not support each other in that way anymore. I'm honestly not sure how either of us would make it financially alone.

2) We break up. I don't feel loved or treated well. I'm tired of trying and sometimes when I imagine myself in a different place, not dealing with any of this anymore I feel free...but damn it I love him and I want his arms around me at night...but maybe he doesn't love me anymore and we're headed away from that anyway...

3) I'm overreacting. And we've hit a bump. He's messing up a little, I'm messing up a little, we are new at this and both under other stress. It's normal for couples to have ups and downs especially when they are still new to poly. I have a tendency toward catastrophic thoughts when things aren't going well. I'm well aware my feelings could be just that and I do, in fact, need to chill a little.

Lastly, I'm fairly committed to trying to spend the next couple weeks before he goes and while he is gone sorting out the way that I feel. I don't want to shake things up right before he goes. (The ultimate "go ahead and have your date with her I'll just ruin it with a meltdown right before you leave") and I want to be able to say clearly what I want/need when he comes back. I'm was recently fairly committed to floating the idea of me moving out once he got back but now I don't know.

Oh look, I've written a novel. Thanks for reading. Any thoughts, experiences, questions, support, advice or healthy recipes I can cook to keep me sane in the upcoming month (and months to follow) are much appreciated.
 
Hi Janis,

"Getting off the escalator" and moving out seems like the most promising option to me, given what I read in your above post. Give yourself some time to think, eh?

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
I have to agree with Kevin. It appears you are the one taking on the whole Emotional Labor burden. That can be exhausting.
 
I also agree.

Take the time he is away to enjoy being your own. Clean some stuff and enjoy it STAYING clean. Look into moving out and finding a roomie.

Then when you have moved out, see how you feel about dating him then. Right now you sound like you do too much for him, he takes it for granted, and you feel unappreciated. Do your fair share, but not MORE than your fair share. If moving out helps you keep better boundaries and puts the fun back into dating him? Move out.

You don't have to sign up for house drudgery when you can keep your own home tidy.

So, if I'm on the organized and worrier end of the spectrum he is on the don't worry about it it'll turn out fine in the end of things. Under normal conditions those things have complemented each other well. He chills me out and I get him off his ass.

If "get him off his ass" is basically "carrying him" you could stop. Rather than you burning yourself out.

You could learn to chill your own self out. And part of that may mean doing less work in general as well as not doing other people's work for them.

If you cannot eliminate your stress, at least reduce it. I think living with a neater person and untangling any shared finances would help take some of that stress load off your plate. Hopefully he stops taking you and your work for granted and steps it up on his side so it feels more fair rather than a drain.

If you still find that you are not being treated well and don't feel loved? You can decide if you want to break up with him at that point in time.

Galagirl
 
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I wish I had the energy to write up something more substantial but I'm dealing with my own emotional issues at the same time. I just want to offer hugs and support and to say that your feelings all sound very very valid. I wouldn't know which option to go with either. knowing me, I would do #3 even if it wasn't best for me.

It can be hard to really make a decision that is right for you when emotions are involved. I say keep writing out how you're feeling. That always does help. And take the time over the next month to really think before you decide.
 
As much as it sucks, if it has to end for you to be happy, then that is what is has to be. You also have another partner - Is s/he providing you with your wants and needs? Focus on the good, weed out the bad. But above all, discuss everything. Communication is key.
 
I'm not happy and I'm crying all the time.

Regardless of whether or not you are overreacting, what you are doing is clearly not working and it needs to be adjusted.

Everything you have described points directly to the relationship escalator being the issue. If you can't afford to split up, get a roommate (one that is closer to your household habits).
 
IMNSHO, it's not "a relationship" unless people find a way to stay together past the inevitable end of limerence.

My wife & I had what some people saw as a difficult relationship. Actually, though it wasn't a happy breakup by ANY means, what stays with me most is that I can clearly recall falling deeply in love for her at least four times (after the first time, of course) in those twelve years.

You need relationship therapy, & soon, & often. You're both projecting difficulties back on your primary partner like mud from a sump hose, then complaining about the other being all covered with muck like that.
 
To get right to the point I don't feel like he loves me anymore. He tells me he does all the time (4-5 times a day even) but he doesn't really want to tell me about his day, hear about mine, or play with me anymore. We touch less, we have less sex, we play less and we are more snippy at each other than usual. I love him dearly and also I feel very disconnected from him. I've asked for some specific things (kiss me before you get out of bed in the morning, talk to me about your day etc) and they aren't happening.

I've had this happen between me and my husband. I legit *do not care* what he did at work, unless he's angry or elated or depressed. Mostly, it's just work, he does a job I don't find engaging, and I do a job he would also find highly boring, but I find my job really rewarding and interesting. But he feels unloved unless I speak to him when he comes home, walk over to him and talk to him and ask him how he is. To me it feels like meaningless small talk; to him it feels like I love him and I care about him and the things that happen to him. Meanwhile I get annoyed when he asks me about my day! If it's interesting, I'll share it! Otherwise it was just a perfectly ordinary day in my self-employed and highly changeable job!

I think you need to tell him "This makes me feel like you care. When you don't ask me about my day, I feel like you don't care. If you care about me, and you want me to feel that, please ask me, please engage with me." And maybe discuss how you can make him feel like you really care about him.

(And as for the "I love you"s - I tell my husband this so much that I often do it subconsciously. It happens at least 20 times a day. It is more of a "I am relaxed and I am happy to be here with you in this moment" than anything that makes him feel loved. And he knows it is not a request for him to say it back, just to not get too annoyed when I say it 10 times in half an hour, because it's actually difficult to hold back on saying it!)

So, if I'm on the organized and worrier end of the spectrum he is on the don't worry about it it'll turn out fine in the end of things. Under normal conditions those things have complemented each other well. He chills me out and I get him off his ass. Now it feels like those differences between us are actually incompatabilities because I don't feel like he is meeting me half-way anymore. I'm in school full time, working part time and keeping track of things that need done around the house. I recently stopped cleaning and the place became a pig-sty.

This is something that cannot be fixed easily.

Me and my husband have had huge problems with this. How we got around it:
- 8 years ago we bought a Roomba. Many arguments evaporated overnight.
- 4 years ago we bought a tiny dishwasher. Many arguments evaporated overnight.
- Several months ago, he'd been travelling a lot and the house was, to my standards, a bit untidy. I had planned to tidy it in the hour and a half before he came home, but he came home while I was out running some errands beforehand. He was so pissed off. He did not feel like it was home. He did not feel like I gave a damn about him.

Meanwhile I thought everything was fine. Totally fine. Sure, he got upset sometimes, but it was so randomly inconsistent that I just chalked it up to his mood.

And then that happened, and wow, for the last 12 years we've lived together, he's *always* been feeling this way. Always? I couldn't understand it.

We sat down and hashed out a co-habitation contract. Together with consequences for what will happen if I don't hold up my end of the bargain (in the last 10 years he has already stopped doing all of the things I found irritating which impacted on my quality of life, so I didn't feel the need to include what happens if he doesn't hold up his end).

We found out some weird things about what each other thinks "should" be done, and what "looks clean". For example, I do not leave rubbish or food out, ever. But I leave a lot of once-worn clothes out, and sometimes I put them on desks, and on top of other stuff. Which he thinks is a disgusting pigsty. Meanwhile if I put my jumper over the back of a chair or over the bannister rather than on the table, magically it "looks tidy" to him. Whereas I think it's exactly as tidy or untidy as before!

My point here, is that changes in habits will not come suddenly. They slowly get better, over years. You don't want to know how messy I started off as :S The other person's habits may NEVER be good enough for you to live with them happily.

My other point is that he is not understanding, or even accepting, that for you tidiness *really matters*. Not understanding is one thing. I don't understand my husband's need for tidiness. It will NEVER be as important to me as it is to him. NEVER. It will never hold the meaning, or the moral weight, that it holds for him. Never never never. But at the same time... this really matters to him. When he sees these dishes left out, those clothes on the floor or the table, he feels like I don't give a shit about his feelings.

So I clean up.

In the last few months, I've kinda grown used to having a clean flat. It's pretty nice. We can have people over without planning it and tidying in advance. When he comes home after a week away, there isn't very much tidying to do at all. It's surprising, and I would never have believed it.

I'm not happy and I'm crying all the time. He has for years told me that he wanted to get married. We live together and our money is (loosely and not with clear boundaries) tied. I've always hesitated because marriage freaks me out and because I wanted to see if his mental health stayed where it had been for a while. He deals with anxiety and depression and I wanted to see if he continued getting better and was able to manage those things well over the long term.

Please do not marry this guy. You are unhappy. You see no end to the unhappiness in sight. Your partner does not seem to notice/care that you are unhappy, and does not do/care about the things that you have requested to make you happier.

Why would you sign up for this "until death do you part"?? Especially when you're not too sold on marriage in the first place!!
 
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