Desire & the End of NRE

Reverie

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Adapted from my blog post:

An ongoing issue throughout my adult and sexual life is this:

I have no idea how to sustain sexual desire for a person past NRE. I warn each maybe-longterm partner of this early on, but each partner thinks that their cock will be the magic bullet that will kill the problem.

And perhaps they have reason to think so, because my desire for sex in NRE is legendary, my passion relentless, my obsession unquenchable, and, to make matters worse, my NRE lasts juuuust long enough (2.5–3 years) that it begins to appear that maybe they were right, before it all comes tumbling down.

My husband (together for nearly four years, married six months) sometimes tries to pin the problem on my NRE with my boyfriend of four months, but he forgets that we were already grappling with this issue in mid-2016. He forgets that he complained on our honeymoon (in April) that we were not having enough sex for what a honeymoon should contain. He remembers when I remind him, but I know it's really tough for him to know that I'm having NRE sex with someone else while at the same time not really desiring him much at all.

I warned my husband at the beginning that my sex drive for a partner nosedives dramatically a few years in, and he's said he believed me but did not realize how difficult it would actually be. (And I do actually still have sex and do sexual things with him—what people here have called "Mexican Dinner Consent"—but it's just that I never want it for my own purposes.)

My boyfriend, both of us deep in NRE, doesn't believe me when I warn him. He says things like, "Why you gotta make negative predictions about the future? Let's just keep it alive and see what happens! I think this can last forever! Keep thinking like that and of course things go wrong—focus on the positive."

My love for people doesn't die with the fade of NRE. I still care for them. I still think they are beautiful and attractive and remember all the good that I saw in them. I still value and respect them and it matters to me what happens to them. I still want to nurture them and help them and hang out with them. And I even still remember what it was like to be alight with passion for them. But do I crave them? Desire them? Lust after them? Nope. Not so far, anyway.

As fatal as it would be to my relationship with my husband, for whom my desire is currently close to zero, I almost want to believe that I just "haven't found the right person(s) yet" who could keep the desire alive; that maybe it's just a symptom of the relationship having "run its course"; that it is anything but inevitable with anyone. I can't believe that, though. I have no evidence in favor and too much to the contrary.

And anyway, I don't really want my relationship with my husband to end. I just want to not feel like a total freak of nature who is hypersexual at the beginning of a relationship and then nearly asexual after a few years. I feel well-suited for no one.

All of this is a large part of the reason I decided to try poly with my husband in the first place, lo those nearly-four years ago. I thought, "It allows me to have relationships longer than three years by killing three birds with one stone, right?"

1) It allows my long-term partner to be able to find sexual outlets other than me when I turn nearly asexual toward them, which seems to happen no matter what.

2) It allows me to find sexual outlets other than my long-term partner and actually get to experience desire again.

3) Hopefully, some of my re-awakened desire will "reflect" on my long-term partner, and I'll start to desire them again too.

I figured that since I reliably turn "companionate" pretty early on, my best bet would be to find someone I'm super compatible with in a "companionate" way, and with whom I also have strong sexual chemistry, and tell them the truth and be poly. And then if the sex lasts, it lasts, and if it doesn't, well, it doesn't with anyone, and at least we're best friends.

It's not really working out as planned, though. My husband still aches for me to desire him, even though he has freedom to pursue others (and he's also having more trouble finding others lately than he'd hoped). It's a thorn in his side that I now have sexual desire . . . but for someone else. The "reflection" thing is totally not happening as I'd hoped. All my reading about how sexual variety can "solve" lack of desire seems not to have been true in my case.

So I guess my questions are this:

- Is anyone else here like this and can commiserate? Sometimes just feeling not alone helps.
- Does anyone have a clue why this happens to people/me, and if there is anything I can do about it? (e.g., is this something that has a name and some kind of therapy is known to fix, since sexual variety has not been a cure?)
- How do I get people to truly believe me that this has, thus far, always happened to me, and will likely happen to me with them too, eventually? Just telling them upfront has not seemed to work well.
- Is it totally batshit to expect a marriage that STARTED already mostly companionate to survive, as long as both parties have other sexual outlets?

If there is a solution, great. If not, it'd be nice to just have some supportive words . . .
 
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Have you looked into this with a therapist? I think it's fairly common for couples to go through waxing and waning periods. I know I've had my share of periods where I wasn't really interested in sex with my long term partner, but it was always temporary.

How is the rest of the relationship? I know that once NRE fades we see our partner differently. A relationship can't survive on passion and romance alone.

As to how to get potential partners to believe you? All you can do is tell them. If they don't believe you, they will when it happens.
 
First, stop being so hard on yourself. My ex, who is not on here unfortunately, seems like you. We were together for four years or so. She was always quite envious of my long term relationships and she has struggled with long term relationships for some of the same reasons you've described.

For myself, I try not to measure the success of a relationship by its duration. To me that's an artifact of our monogamous society where success is measured by the duration of your relationship with your one and only soul mate.

I didn't solve this issue for my ex and I don't think anyone will solve this issue for you. But perhaps the answer may lie in what you want. What do you expect to get out of a long term relationship? What does a LTR look like to you? Besides sex, what do you see as the components of an LTR?

You're allowed to answer these any way that makes you happy. Perhaps then you can start building towards a long term "relationship" that fulfills you.
 
Is 4 years with your husband the longest relationship you've ever had?

I was with my ex husband from 1974-2008. Our sex life waxed and waned. We did have 2 very hot 2nd (and 3rd) honeymoon type periods. We also spent years not getting along great, and my desire for him waned.

Finally we ended things because the things that annoyed me about him (his low self esteem, his jealousies of any person in my life, platonic or a crush, his passive aggressiveness, hi extreme absent mindedness, his tendency to "gunnysack" past grievances every time we had a disagreement, and how he lied about things to make me feel badly about who I was, when he was the same way, but trying to set a "good example"), never went away.

But despite those annoying issues of his, I did in fact recover desire for him, twice, and the hot periods lasted a few years each time.

It's encouraging that your "NRE" desire lasts 2.5 to 3 years, and not just 6 months.

Anyway, I think it's extremely normal for people's desire to wane with one partner. I think polysexual desires are normal in many mammals. I have read of studies on rats where a male and female in heat will have sex, until they are worn out and go to separate sides of the cage. Then that female will be taken away. A different female brought to the male. Suddenly he is full of lust. Fucks til they move away from each other. Repeat. The male will go through many many females until he really really passes out. Variety is extremely stimulating for rats. Us humans have lots of issues around compatibility in other areas causing desire, and lack of security and having love language needs not met, or poor grooming, or bad communication skills, etc., killing desire. But even your h is stimulated by variety, hence his porn use.

Who knows? If you and your h stay together and he doesn't get all pissy about you having lost desire, and keeps the door open, you might find yourself suddenly desirous of him again.

If he's having trouble meeting others for his sexual needs, that's not your fault. It's on him.

It's... cute that the men you've been with don't believe you when tell them your desire will end. Hope, and the penis, spring eternal.

But I do wonder why you married him knowing you wouldn't be willing or able to have sex with him, possibly ever again. It's kind of sad you started seeing someone new 2 months after marriage, and are all hot for your not-bridegroom now, and couldn't care less about fucking your actual husband.
 
Have you looked into this with a therapist?

I have not yet. Honestly, I was hoping that poly/variety would solve the problem, and it is only now—when I have reached that point with my husband AND I have an additional partner and the problem remains—that I am considering it. Before I thought "desire for variety is natural and will fix it"!

I think it's fairly common for couples to go through waxing and waning periods. I know I've had my share of periods where I wasn't really interested in sex with my long term partner, but it was always temporary.

Out of curiosity, how long is "temporary," usually, if there has been a pattern?

How is the rest of the relationship? I know that once NRE fades we see our partner differently. A relationship can't survive on passion and romance alone.

The rest of the relationship is pretty darned good. We are currently (super recently) dealing with an issue where I'm suddenly reconsidering the idea of motherhood, which is threatening to derail us, but the waning desire long-predates that. He has his flaws, as do I, but we mostly get along famously. We really are best friends.

But perhaps the answer may lie in what you want. What do you expect to get out of a long term relationship? What does a LTR look like to you? Besides sex, what do you see as the components of an LTR?

That's kind of what I was actually trying to do here—keep the amiable companionship after the sex is gone. That's what I thought I wanted. I'll think on it some more. Good questions . . .

Is 4 years with your husband the longest relationship you've ever had?

Yes, as of a few weeks ago! Although both of the others that came close, I had "checked out" a while prior because, as vinsanity mentioned, once the NRE wore off, I saw them differently and realized that there were serious relationship problems. One was emotionally abusive in the form of being hyper-critical of me, and the other I discovered had been lying to me about a shit-ton of things. I was "technically" still with them, but already plotting my escape, once the three-year mark rolled around.

But I do wonder why you married him knowing you wouldn't be willing or able to have sex with him, possibly ever again. It's kind of sad you started seeing someone new 2 months after marriage, and are all hot for your not-bridegroom now, and couldn't care less about fucking your actual husband.

Well . . . I married him because I figured that the sex is gonna end eventually with everyone. Therefore why not marry and commit to someone who is my best friend, who is open to being open (so that I'm not denying him a sex life altogether), and who I have specifically asked "what happens if it turns totally companionate?" and he said to me "I still want to build a life with you."

I still want the long-term stability and companionship that come along with marriage. I figured that this was as good as it could possibly get for me, wanting those things and also having my desire issue. Plus, I do really love him, of course. He's a good partner. It didn't seem foolish at the time to believe that would be enough.

I honestly had no idea I would meet my boyfriend so quickly after getting married—while not looking—after over three years of trying very hard to find someone compatible with me on a sexual, emotional, romantic and intellectual level and not ever being able to find it while I was looking. In fact, I had kind of sworn off dating men for a while, just out of exhaustion, till I met him and the spark was instant.

I'd tried internet dating, dating friends of friends, dating people I met outside of bars, dating an ex, dating my past crushes from long-ago, going to poly meetups to look for people to date—nothing worked. I tried local, long-distance, serious, casual, FWB. I tried mostly closing the relationship. I tried being functionally monogamous only on my end to see if anyone just came along while my partner dated . . . It felt like I'd tried it ALL. I learned a LOT about what didn't work for me, but not a lot about what did.

And then my now-boyfriend walked up to me at a show we were both playing, and by the end of one night of chatting with him, I knew I'd have long regrets if I didn't get his phone number. So I did. And this has been the longest running local relationship I've managed concurrently while poly. The timing was weird, for sure, but I would have needed a will of absolute steel not to chase that spark when, after one night, it already eclipsed anything that had come along in the previous three+ years.

And, suddenly, I learned a whole lot about what does work for me. My boyfriend is not perfect either, by any means, but I'm able to see what he has that the others I tried didn't. I'm able to see what he has in common with my husband that draws me to them both. And I'm able to see the ways in which he differs from my husband that provides a little "bonus something" that I didn't know I'd been missing.

I agree that it is sad. I wish I had more "oomph" to give my husband than I currently do. It's really not the new relationship that's creating that lack, though. That lack was already there. The question is can I reverse it?
 
I can commiserate. I'm the same way - really into it for a year or so, then no interest whatsoever. It was a big factor in the ending of an 11 year marriage to a great guy.

I wish I could tell you I'd found a solution. I doubt therapy has answers - I assume this came up in my couples counseling (though I don't specifically recall) and I've read tons of books and articles on dealing with sex drive issues - never seen this come up.
 
This is actually my first time posting after lurking for several months. As soon as I found this forum I started reading your blog and ended up starting from the beginning and reading it all because there were so many things I related to...this being a big one. I have been in a mono relationship for almost 20 years and for the past 8 or so years have had zero sexual desire for my husband. None. I would have sex because that is what “good wives do” and feel nothing. I am a good actress though! I actually found polyamory when researching ways to give my husband a sexual outlet that wasn’t me. He has an incredibly high sex drive and was very frustrated with our weekly “giving in” sex. Especially since when we were first together I was the one wanting sex constantly.

He wasn’t really into the idea because he has a very mono view on life in general. You find your “one” and then you are with them until you die. But eventually he went for it and started dating. He found a woman he liked and recently they had sex. But he is still really struggling. He feels like he is cheating no matter how many times I tell him how happy it makes me that he can have someone to enjoy sex with again. In the meantime, just thinking about a new potential partner has my sex drive revved up again...just not for him. At all. I love him and want to be with him but not sexually. I have an amazing time solo though thinking about other people.

I have no advice but I wanted to thank you for sharing your story and for being so open. You have truly helped me in so many ways. I also wanted you to know that you aren’t alone in this and I hope you are able to find the balance you need. Dustin seems like an amazing match. Rider seems like an incredible partner. If you find any answers please share! :)
 
I have not yet. Honestly, I was hoping that poly/variety would solve the problem, and it is only now—when I have reached that point with my husband AND I have an additional partner and the problem remains—that I am considering it. Before I thought "desire for variety is natural and will fix it"!

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on psychology. The fact is that therapy does very little for me. I like to work things out with myself. That said, I understand it is helpful to others. I don't think it would be a sex drive issue because you still have a sex drive, just not with him. Maybe you are an NRE junkie? I don't know. I just know it is bothering you and maybe a professional can help you sort it out.

For me, getting a new partner definitely ups my desire for current partners. Also, I have this weird thing where separating or breaking up will increase my desire. I've never been able to explain that one.



Out of curiosity, how long is "temporary," usually, if there has been a pattern?

No pattern. Being something of an NRE junkie, in my younger days I would just move on. I was a serial monogamist. Like you, NRE can last a long time for me. Plus, there is the added complication of kink, which can keep the desire going, like with my first wife. That relationship lasted 7 years. My longest relationship was 22 years. That had lots of waxing and waning, especially since she was vanilla as far as bdsm goes. One of those temporary times lasted a year. For the last 7 years I was on the road a lot so there's no way to gauge it. It was like NRE every time I made it home...lol.



The rest of the relationship is pretty darned good. We are currently (super recently) dealing with an issue where I'm suddenly reconsidering the idea of motherhood, which is threatening to derail us, but the waning desire long-predates that. He has his flaws, as do I, but we mostly get along famously. We really are best friends.

Well that's good that (almost) everything else is good. But that doesn't mean there is not going to be something missing for him. Most people want to be desired. If they don't feel desired they tend to question what they are doing in the relationship. So yeah, you told him and he said he could deal with it...but it's easier to say you can deal with it than actually dealing with it.


Hopefully this all works out for you guys.
 
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book recommandation

Hi Reverie,

I am a big fan of your blog and I followed your link to this thread :)
I read a book a few years ago and I think the main idea was about finding balance between intimacy and desire. I found it quite interesting.
It's cald "mating in captivity".

I don't remember if there was solutions given but already knowing that you experience something that a lot of people do experience could already help?
 
What Do Women Want by Daniel Bergner deals with female desire and the death of libido in LTRs. It was the book that started tipping my wife's mind towards non-monogamy. Lack of libido in an otherwise good marriage has been our biggest struggle as a couple.

While swinging did nothing for her, taking a lover of her own recently brought an explosion of libido. Luckily she has done very well with turning some of that energy towards me and our sex life is at it's highest point since we married. If I had not read the book, I think I would have felt horribly insecure about her libido reawakening for someone else, so it has been very helpful for me as well.
 
I'm starting to wonder on this one for myself - especially as Artist and I come up on 3 years together, the energy between us is changing - still very sexual but as we DO become more secure in the relationship and there's less mystery between us, it's a little more about love and a little less about sex, or the sex is different, or something. Which is fine, I think, but I do worry eventually I'll love him too much to have filthy sex with him. :confused:

I do second reading Mating in Captivity - I think the "best friend" dynamic is a big part of Knight and I's problems. Too much trust, no mystery, no urgency...
 
Thanks, everyone, for the book recommendations, commiseration, suggestions, and support. I'll definitely get the books and check them out pretty soon.

I actually already bought Come As You Are a while back and started reading it, but then I lost my Kindle for a while. Coincidentally, I just found it last night while cleaning! :)
 
Hi Reverie,

I wonder if it would help to meet with a sex therapist? Even if it doesn't "fix" the problem, it might help you feel accepting of yourself as you are. Not just a general therapist, specifically a sex therapist. But take this post with a grain of salt, I am not experienced in this area. I hope you find a solution one way or the other.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Hi Reverie,

I wonder if it would help to meet with a sex therapist? Even if it doesn't "fix" the problem, it might help you feel accepting of yourself as you are. Not just a general therapist, specifically a sex therapist. But take this post with a grain of salt, I am not experienced in this area. I hope you find a solution one way or the other.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.

Thanks, Kevin. :)
 
Umm... no. Sex therapists are NOT exactly "thick on the ground," & mostly require referrals from other shrinks &/or medical doctors, & is (depending on how "hands on" it is) sometimes still prosecuted as prostitution.

A too-common misperception is that you present your health-insurance card, get sucked/fucked by a pro, & all your demons magically disappear.

Socalled "sex therapy" primarily deals with symptoms, NOT the underlying problems. The idea (originally) was that while work was ongoing (!!!) with the root problem/problems (physiological or psychological or both), a specialized therapist would help avoid the piling-up of self-doubts & frustrations, stuff that would interfere with healing would take years to unravel even after the problem itself was completely resolved.

Reverie needs a THERAPIST. Adding garbage qualifiers like "sex-" or "poly-friendly" is time-wasting bullshit.
 
Umm... no. Sex therapists are NOT exactly "thick on the ground," & mostly require referrals from other shrinks &/or medical doctors, & is (depending on how "hands on" it is) sometimes still prosecuted as prostitution.

A too-common misperception is that you present your health-insurance card, get sucked/fucked by a pro, & all your demons magically disappear.
I've never heard of sex therapists who actually have sex with their clients. Is that a thing?
 
I seem to recall those are/were sex surrogates?

In the cities Where I have lived a sex therapist is a therapist who specializes in psycho sexual problems, just as a family therapist specializes in family issues.
 
As far as wiki knows, certified sex therapists do not have sex with clients. The provide normal psychological counseling with an emphasis on sexual dysfunction.

Lack of libido is one such dysfunction. Only desiring NRE sex, and not desiring it with a trusted partner would be worth looking into.

I know there's a relative lack of mystery. But long time partners can surprise you. No one stays the same completely. As they grow and change they can seem more exciting.
 
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