Lots of change all at once

[lunabunny]

And I am confused, how is it possible that a religion that has so many rules about what people can do together before marriage has no issues with the fact that your girlfriends (who are not married to Ares) share the same bed with him?

It would be very helpful if you told us exactly what religion this is.

Originally Posted by Ravenscroft View Post
<<<They've had some of the minor medical issues that babies get, but nothing major.>>>

My guess:
The Colorado City/Hildale area has the world's highest incidence of fumarase deficiency, an extremely rare genetic condition.

There are a few sects that are self contained communities that allow contact with the outside world. I'm no expert, but The Family International (formerly Children of God) springs to mind, or perhaps an off-shoot of LDS or the like.

I'll just say what a lot of us are thinking right now:

If this is all true, and not one of the many fictional personas that regularly come through here and similar forums, then it is very sad to see you and all these other women being so brainwashed by this awful cult.

There is something "off" about this whole situation.

I would be more concerned except that I doubt that the situation that majormerrick has described is fully true. The details of this group are too fuzzy and odd to make any sense. This supposed group is big enough to have its own community infrastructure (doctors, law enforcement, stores), and yet small enough that we have never heard of it. She has said that it is *not* FDLS, and yet it seems based on FDLS.

No, I think it is far more likely that the people in majormerrick's polycule are real (lending credibility and detail to her posts) but the religious practice is not. It is common to have a sexual fascination with such polygamist groups and I believe majormerrick chooses to write about her polycule through this lens.

I believe that in addition to being fascinated with these groups, she might be writing about it here for the shock value, and to see how far our tolerance and "live and let live" values will persist in the face of extremism.

Just my two cents, based on all the evidence that is presented. I could be wrong, of course.

I had also considered this possibility, right from the get-go, though I was/am trying to give MajorMerrick the benefit of the doubt.

The reason I'd considered the veracity of MM's situation is because, shortly prior to her turning up on this board, we had another poster who wrote in a similar style - whose user-name I cannot recall right now - who claimed to be living in a poly household with one husband and three of four other women... who are her biological sisters.

This poster was around for a short while, just before MajorMerrick began posting, and I had wondered at the validity of "her" situation because it just seemed SO extreme and as if she were trying to achieve exactly what you suggest in your last few paras, MsEmotional (i.e. writing for shock value/trying to push how far the forum's tolerance of multi-partner scenarios would go.)

Edit: Here is the poster I mentioned above, JackieJ:

http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?p=371272

 

[Magdlyn]

I'll just say what a lot of us are thinking right now:

If this is all true, and not one of the many fictional personas that regularly come through here and similar forums, then it is very sad to see you and all these other women being so brainwashed by this awful cult.

There, it has been said.

I've thought troll for a while now, and an out of control imagination.

I'd rather it was a troll than a pack of brainwashed FLDS members.

Expectations of anal sex on a virgin on her wedding night?

And now the almighty husband is going off the books and fucking a genderfluid "lesbian" non-wife of his in the ass?

*clutches pearls*

Join us next time for "As the Stomach Churns..."

 

[ref2018]

I've thought troll for a while now, and an out of control imagination.

I'd rather it was a troll than a pack of brainwashed FLDS members.

Expectations of anal sex on a virgin on her wedding night?

And now the almighty husband is going off the books and fucking a genderfluid "lesbian" non-wife of his in the ass?

*clutches pearls*

Join us next time for "As the Stomach Churns..."

I was thinking research for a breeder-fetish "memoir" depicting a "journey" and "self-discovery" (complete with "miracle" pregnancy). This real-time/real-people forum interaction helps with character and story arc development. It's part of the process, you see.

Pass that pearl necklace this way when you're done with it.

 

[MsEmotional]

I was thinking research for a breeder-fetish "memoir" depicting a "journey" and "self-discovery" (complete with "miracle" pregnancy). This real-time/real-people forum interaction helps with character and story arc development. It's part of the process, you see.

Pass that pearl necklace this way when you're done with it.

I have considered the writing research idea as well. Especially as it pertains to establishing the limits of her audience’s suspension of disbelief. To her credit she never actively tried to trigger our concern. She didn’t reference 12 year olds being raped or forced marriages or barbed wire communities. She tried to make her world as “normal” as possible and certainly presented everyone involved as consenting adults.

Majormerrick, if the above responses have not provided you with the feedback you need, please feel free to message me. I am no writer, but I do fancy myself an intense critic of erotic literature....

PS — better yet, you could start a blog for your character and we could give you feeedback there.

 

[ref2018]

I have considered the writing research idea as well. Especially as it pertains to establishing the limits of her audience’s suspension of disbelief.

Majormerrick, if the above responses have not provided you with the feedback you need, please feel free to message me. I am no writer, but I do fancy myself an intense critic of erotic literature....

First you need to take a fertility test and wait for 40 days (or actually 42 days, but it will seem like 15 years).

 

[KC43]

As Lunabunny said, there are sects/offshoots/whatever of some religions, and some cults, that do allow contact with the "outside" world. The religion observed by the members of the Sister Wives family comes to mind; it is an offshoot of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints (as is FLDS), but unlike FLDS, this offshoot differs from the mainstream LDS church primarily just in allowing and encouraging polygamy. They don't isolate their members; the Brown adults all have or have had jobs outside the home, moved from Utah to Las Vegas where they live in a typical neighborhood, their kids have all attended public schools, etc. One of the Brown children came out as lesbian, which was accepted by the family (and emphatically would NOT have been in FLDS, nor would the girl likely have even attempted to come out); at least one other of their children has chosen to leave the family's religion and join the mainstream LDS church, which no one seems to have had a problem with.

I don't think, based on what MajorMerrick says, that even if everything she's saying is true, she's a member of the same religion as the Browns. Some of the things she says, especially the tolerance and (apparently) encouragement of sex among "sister wives," doesn't seem to mesh with what I know of the Browns' religion. I'm just using them as an example of the fact that being part of a fundamentalist sect of some sort, or even part of an actual cult, doesn't preclude having contact with and access to the world outside of that religion.

We can all speculate forever on what religion MajorMerrick and her family follow, and on whether there actually is a religion or a family. Unless MajorMerrick chimes back in and gives us more information, none of us have any way to know anything for certain, and I suspect that some of our speculation might be preventing her from chiming back in here. (Of course, if those who are speculating that this is all a load of, to be kind, fiction are correct, it would make sense that she would stop posting when confronted, but it's equally possible that she might feel attacked by those speculations and so stop posting due to that.)

 

[Ravenscroft]

It's always possible that -- like pretty much every posting on this entire site -- this is merely another episode of Sock Puppet Theatre.

However, blithe ignorance of Mormon fundamentalism is utterly useless as an argumentative tool.

I'm inclined to take the OP at face value, though discounting some of the NRE-fuddled interpretations.

This supposed group is big enough to have its own community infrastructure (doctors, law enforcement, stores), and yet small enough that we have never heard of it.

Not surprising. There's many things that haven't attracted our gnat-like attention span that are nevertheless factual.

But this is not my thread, so rather than drag it further askew I'll put info about fundy communities on that other thread.

 

[Magdlyn]

It's always possible that -- like pretty much every posting on this entire site -- this is merely another episode of Sock Puppet Theatre.

How odd you'd accuse all of us of writing lies about our lives. Maybe you and majormerrick are "sock puppets." I sure am not. And I have met 2 other members in real life (and their partners) and know they are who they say they are. They do not post sensationalistic garbage about constant group lesbian sex here. Their lives are boring and normal, as is mine. None of us are "married" illegally. None of us have group sex. It's obvious if you read the blogs, no one else is here to garner attention from a life full of "too much sex," anal on the virgin's wedding night, an abused 20 year old grabbing long suffering hands to place them on her body, etc., etc.,ad nauseum.

I know one of the members I have met irl DOES write erotic fiction, but she doesn't troll for reactions here to help her come up with ideas.

So, thanks for outing yourself as a liar (??) Ravenscroft (that is not ad hominem, but an apparent admission on your part). Don't know why you'd do that, but people are strange sometimes.

Poly people in general, are not "strange," necessarily, or often/usually liars. You do a disservice to our community by implying most of us are.

 

[Magdlyn]

For anyone who doubts the veracity of majormerrick's current story arc, here is "her" first post on this site.

I'm new to the idea of poly. I'm an established professional, early 30's female. I have two beautiful girlfriends who I absolutely adore. I don't really consider that being "poly" (more like bigamy, I guess) but if I choose to add more to that relationship, what are the possible forms that could take? How many varieties of poly are there?

2 gfs. No husband. And now a half year later, several more gfs, a polygynous "faith," and a husband who is married to 3 of them, and a lesbian genderfluid person, and on and on...

 

[Ravenscroft]

How odd you'd accuse all of us of writing lies about our lives.

So, thanks for outing yourself as a liar (??) Ravenscroft (that is not ad hominem, but an apparent admission on your part).

It's either an ad hominem attack, or English isn't your primary language. (Calling a bald lie "not a lie" makes it more of a lie, eh?)

I rather clearly am saying that very few of us on this site are verifiably actual humans. The number of members who've met IRL is vanishingly small. Info like real names & cities of residence is routinely avoided; there's likely little exchange of primary email addresses, much less USPS.

Even less can we actually be certain that the stories we tell are at all factual.

And it's yet more difficult to determine how much of what we say is something that would be validated by a dispassionate objective observer.

The potential for self-serving fictive writing is stunning.

 

[Magdlyn]

It's either an ad hominem attack, or English isn't your primary language. (Calling a bald lie "not a lie" makes it more of a lie, eh?)

I don't know what that means.

I rather clearly am saying that very few of us on this site are verifiably actual humans. The number of members who've met IRL is vanishingly small.

You have no way of proving this claim as you can't read the PMs here.

Info like real names & cities of residence is routinely avoided; there's likely little exchange of primary email addresses, much less USPS.

Again, people who meet irl here do not usually make a big deal of mentioning it on the board. They use PM.

Even less can we actually be certain that the stories we tell are at all factual.

And it's yet more difficult to determine how much of what we say is something that would be validated by a dispassionate objective observer.

The potential for self-serving fictive writing is stunning.

So laughable. This board is full of incredibly boring fiction, by your silly scenario. It's almost like you question whether the modern polyamory movement itself is even real, despite your claims to have been a founder way back when. If you're lying you might as well admit it.

We've had a handful of trolls whose posts are fantastical and sexy. One person, for example, said he was living on a Caribbean island surrounded by willing women who all needed a good man so badly, they were more than willing to wait in line for the traveler who arrives and buys an estate. Even though he is not rich by American standards he buys a mountain eyrie. Suddenly he is surrounded by horny black haired beauties clamoring for his dick (and/or money). And the parents of said beauties are so grateful for his huge American fortune they give over their daughters willingly. And he pays for these girls' educations (not to mention champagne and wardrobes!) yada yada...

Then we've had the various stories of incest, incredible feats of cuckoldry with all the graphic sexual details, etc.

Not, I live with my gf, she has a bf, I ID as poly but currently do not have a second partner.

Not, I'm a long distance trucker. My wife died, I have a LDR with one woman and have a couple "it's complicated" things, infrequent meetings or sex. Meanwhile I live alone and am fixing up my kitchen and petting my cats.

Not, I live with my husband who is on the autism spectrum. He isn't seeing anyone else. I have one bf, and keep having other men fizzle on me.

Not, I lived with my husband and my bf. Bf claimed he was mono, but cheated on me. My husband and I also broke up. Now I am heartbroken and live alone and take long sad walks.

Not, I'm bi, I date, my ex-wife has medical issues, and lost her libido, and we broke up, and now sometimes I get emotionally dicked around when trying to date.

Not, I have 2 husbands, one of them has a low libido. I like fashion. I do volunteer work.

If you think those are successful sock puppets I fear you have low standards for fiction. But then again, there are really bad authors who manage to sell a lot of books. Perhaps you'd enjoy the Twilight or 20 Shades of... series.

 

[powerpuffgrl1969]

I also would rather believe that most of this story is fiction. It's interesting how people behave.

 

[KC43]

To reinforce Mags's point...

Not, I live with my husband who is on the autism spectrum. He isn't seeing anyone else. I have one bf, and keep having other men fizzle on me.

I believe this refers to me. At least, it definitely describes me.

I know one of the members I have met irl DOES write erotic fiction, but she doesn't troll for reactions here to help her come up with ideas.

I believe this also refers to me; at least, I do write erotic fiction. In fact, over the past nine years, I've had over 50 erotic novels, novellas, and short stories published, and that doesn't count the stories I've just posted online. (And no, I have never gotten ideas from anything anyone has said on this forum.)

So I write erotic fiction. I have skills in that area, or my publishers (all of whom are/were royalty-paying publishers with a fairly high standard of quality control) wouldn't have accepted my works.

One would think if I were a sock puppet, I would be able to come up with WAY more interesting shit than "I live with my possibly autistic husband, have one boyfriend I go back and forth with, and keep having other guys flake on me."

You're right, Ravenscroft, that there isn't always a way to tell for sure whether someone's legitimate or a fictional creation with a fictional life. That's the truth about just about everything online. It's hard to verify if someone living on the opposite side of the country, or the world, is a real human being, even if you exchange private messages with them.

But there are those of us who have met in person. And even with those who haven't, I personally prefer to give the benefit of the doubt about the reality of people and their lives, especially when it's something as mundane as the examples Mags gives. I see no point in being cynical or doubtful without any reason other than "It's online, so you can't be positive." There have definitely been cases of sock puppets and fictional people with fictional lives on this forum, but as Mags points out, it's usually pretty easy to tell, because those people create lives that are *obviously* fictional, or at least are extremely improbable, and that they, at least, believe are quite interesting and exciting.

That said, and bringing it back to the actual topic, there are questionable elements of MajorMerrick's story that do cause doubt as to how much, if any, of it is true and how much is fiction. Among those are the statements that in what appears to be an extremely fundamentalist religion, sex among women is expected and somewhat encouraged, as is anal sex which appears to be an expectation on one's wedding night. The fact that MajorMerrick has steadfastly ignored or avoided all questions about the name of the religion of which she's allegedly a member is also a reason for doubt, though I suspect there are some cults that operate on the Fight Club mentality ("The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club"), and that could, if one gives benefit of the doubt, be the reason she won't tell us the name of it.

 

[ref2018]

We are all sockpuppets of Franklin Veaux, as someone on this forum pointed out around the time i registered here. Especially Kevin. Kevin is the biggest sockpuppet of them all, aren'tcha, kevvy?

 

[kdt26417]

Shhh, don't spoil my secret.

 

[opalescent]

Actually we are all dogs.

Woof.

Kevin, however, is a cat.

 

[Magdlyn]

I'm an incredibly gorgeous mermaid. I'm always wet. KC is ghost writing my memoirs.

 

[Dagferi]

I am Batman.

 

[ref2018]

I am Batman.

I am the *real* Batman.

 

[lunabunny]

I believe this also refers to me; at least, I do write erotic fiction. In fact, over the past nine years, I've had over 50 erotic novels, novellas, and short stories published, and that doesn't count the stories I've just posted online. (And no, I have never gotten ideas from anything anyone has said on this forum.)

I've also been known to write erotic fiction in the past, albeit, only "published" in online forums dedicated to such things.

As I see it, the act of writing erotic (or any other fiction for that matter) is a completely separate issue from those who'd seek to create a whole other fantasy life for the purposes of fooling/(mis)using and wasting the time of genuine people, such as the majority on a forum like this, who seek to help those with actual problems by virtue of their empathetic nature and experience.

Those people are trolls, fantasists and attention-seekers, at best... and at worst, may have some kind of mental illness such as delusional or schizoaffective disorder.

You're right, Ravenscroft, that there isn't always a way to tell for sure whether someone's legitimate or a fictional creation with a fictional life. That's the truth about just about everything online.

I personally prefer to give the benefit of the doubt about the reality of people and their lives... I see no point in being cynical or doubtful without any reason other than "It's online, so you can't be positive." There have definitely been cases of sock puppets and fictional people with fictional lives on this forum, but as Mags points out, it's usually pretty easy to tell

And for this reason, I have thus far been trying to give MajorMerrick the benefit of the doubt, and offer calm, reasoned suggestions, despite my admittedly increasing scepticism about the veracity of her story, which seems to grow ever more lurid and implausible per new thread.

That said, and bringing it back to the actual topic, there are questionable elements of MajorMerrick's story that do cause doubt as to how much, if any, of it is true and how much is fiction.

MajorMerrick, if you ever read through all the preceding comments, and everything you describe IS true to the letter... let me just explain that this forum HAS seen its fair share of trolls/fantasists walk through its metaphorical doors, even in the past year I've been active.

Those people's introductory posts usually start off sounding relatively plausible, but begin to escalate into graphically sexual and/or convoluted scenarios that never seem to resolve, no matter how much sensible advice is offered. At some point, their stories stretch the bounds of credibility, and someone here calls them out... after which they almost always disappear off the scene immediately.

If you want to continue posting here and are NOT in the aforementioned camp, I feel for you, but please know that THAT - and the fact that people have asked you to name your religion and you've consistently ignored the question - is where the scepticism is coming from.