family vacay, wanting to invite both partners

mountaingirl

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I wanted to put these thoughts somewhere, and I'm welcoming advice/thoughts so I figured it would be better suited for the relationships corner.

For anyone who doesn't know my story, I live with 2 partners. My husband, Joe and I have been married for 4 years. Pea and I have been dating for almost 3, but I would say we're coming up on 2 years of being really committed to each other (complicated to explain a timeline, as we were friends before we dated and this was the first poly experience for all of us, so lots of starts and stops at the beginning of me and Pea's relationship). My entire (immediate) family knows about Joe and Pea. My parents knew Pea before we started dating, everyones met, and I have hung out a couple times with just Pea and my parents. My dad has come around to it, my mom is just confused i think. I think we've moved past the point where my relationship with Pea was hyper sexualized by my family/everyone was 'worried' about Joe being coerced. But idk what they say behind my back.

Both of these people are VERY important to me (obviously). Due to some family stuff growing up, I had a very short and stressful childhood, and I'm still kinda dealing with that. I am the youngest of 3 daughters, and I've consistently been pressured by my mother to have kids (as that's where my sisters are at in their lives currently). I find it uncomfortable to be around my parents because of things they have done and said in the past that I'm not completely over. I am consistently treated with little consideration, mostly because I have made myself the easygoing child + I have a history of taking care of my parents' physical and emotional needs from a very young age (they literally devolve and act like children around me, call me with problems, etc). Just giving this background to make it clear that I am not 100% comfortable around them and I really feel like the entire family dynamic my parents are trying to portray is a farce. My sisters have urged me to forgive my parents but just tolerating them is as far as I can go right now. Again, working on it.

My parents recently came into some $$ and my grandma died this past year, plus my sister is in her career + just had a new baby, so everyone decided it would be a good idea to get together for a family vacation. Mom has already started in with the weird guilt tripping: "your nephews don't even remember you" (not true) "when are you moving back home" (what so I can be a junior scientist after getting my PhD?) etc. etc. etc. They (my parents + sisters) decided where we'll be staying and it's out of my budget. Go figure, I'm the only one who is still in school. I also have to fly there (I live further away) and everyone else is driving. I am still digressing sorry I'll get to the poly point...

I want both Joe and Pea to be there. My family has been so fucked up and ass backwards my entire life, that I feel absolutely no desire to 'respect' the super nuclear functional big happy family vibe that my parents are stepping into (just because your children decide to have children and you become a good grandparent doesn't mean you were a good PARENT), and it has translated to not really giving a shit about how my siblings would feel if i invited both Joe and Pea/staying pseudo in the closet to make others feel comfy. I find that people get a little weird with comparing their own mono relationships when I bring both of them around. They're my family and accepting but idk how they would feel (I would obviously talk them about it beforehand, just wondering if this is the hill i want to die on). The invitation has clearly only been extended to Joe though (no mention from anyone in my family about Pea). There is enough space for Pea in this house, and Joe thought it was a good idea initially, but has since questioned whether I should be rocking the boat. Pea is down and said it sounds fun, but can't commit fully at the moment. It turns out I will already be paying just as much as my sisters (one of whom is bringing my 3 nephews with her and both of whom are in well paying careers) to sleep in a room with 2 queen sized bunk beds with my nephews. I am actually looking forward to this :) My nephews are all boys, and they absolutely love Joe and Pea. When I visit home I always get asked where they are if they're not with me, and even if me and Joe go to a family thing, they ask where Pea is. I just figure if I have to pay so much just to split a room with 2-7 year olds then I might as well bring both my besties--because that's what the vibe will be. Me Joe and P are very platonic when it's all three of us around each other. We don't do group sex, but I could definitely see my mom making some weird comments about it (she is still convinced that shit happens lmao and I think my dad is too but he's accepting of it).

Basically, for all intents and purposes, these two are my family. They have done A LOT more for me than my own parents ever did. They know everyone in my family, have known everyone for almost 5 years now. I'm not scared of what anyone thinks; it won't break me, but I also want to pick my battles wisely. It feels like if Pea isn't there it's not sincere, idk. Just seems like this is my life and if the vibe is big happy family then, the more the merrier???
As a side note, I'm already pretty shunned by Pea's family. They recently came to visit him for a week and stayed 30 min away, never coming to the house. This behavior has been consistent ever since he told them we're together. So that also probably goes into why this is super important to me, but i don't want to come on too strong with my family and ruin the only one of our three families that is kind of accepting of the situation.

open to advice! or nuggets of wisdom!
 
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LOL...your family's plan is for you and Joe to share a bunkroom with THREE little kids?? While your sister and her partner have their own child-free room? And you pay the same price as your sister??

My knee-jerk advice would be that you should decline to go at all. Or book your own place nearby for you & your partners if you can afford it.

But...if sharing a room with your nephews sounds like a fun sleepover, if both your partners also don't mind, if the nephews like both your partners, and if you truly can all fit and sleep decently in one room (I have never seen queen-size bunk beds??? didn't know it was a thing), then yes, I think you should just show up with both your partners. Don't even warn your family ahead time...if they don't like it, next time maybe they'll get the idea that you have 2 partners AND you are an adult that should have a private bedroom.

Personally, I couldn't sleep in a room with two partners no matter how many beds there are, nor could I sleep in a room with a 2-year-old.
 
LOL...your family's plan is for you and Joe to share a bunkroom with THREE little kids?? While your sister and her partner have their own child-free room? And you pay the same price as your sister??

My knee-jerk advice would be that you should decline to go at all. Or book your own place nearby for you & your partners if you can afford it.
upon rereading the entire post i think this is a great idea lmao
I just don't get to see my nephews or sisters often. this was a 'joke' that my dad made, that we would get the bunk room, but knowing him, i have a feeling it's not a joke. he's pushing me to see what I'll accept by saying it's a joke, and then later after he's told everyone I agreed to it and im like ?? he'll say he asked me and i was fine with it. manipulation master :sneaky:
if you truly can all fit and sleep decently in one room (I have never seen queen-size bunk beds??? didn't know it was a thing)
me neither lol but there are two set of bunk beds? so four queen beds in one room.
then yes, I think you should just show up with both your partners. Don't even warn your family ahead time...if they don't like it, next time maybe they'll get the idea that you have 2 partners AND you are an adult that should have a private bedroom.
i love this. it's not the first time ive been irreverent with them, so im down. my whole family put together a fancy 'wedding' dinner thing for me and Joe (even though i told them that's the last thing I wanted, because I knew my mom or dad would get too drunk and would have to be dealt with). My parents insisted that Pea not be there, and all three of us showed up in swimsuits + high af 😎
Personally, I couldn't sleep in a room with two partners no matter how many beds there are, nor could I sleep in a room with a 2-year-old.
haha i feel that. idk we've all three had some interesting airbnb situations over the years so im not too worried about that part. getting a separate place is defo something to consider tho; we'd still have to get to my fam's spot (it's remote, so idk if uber is a thing) but i know the three of us (and maybe even the two of us if Pea can't come) could definitely find a cheaper spot.

tbh i bet my siblings would be okay with everything. my mom just goes full witch mode when she doesn't have all her ducks lined up exactly the way she wants, and my dad is just like "it's ur mom" *shrug*. i dont want to ruin everyone else's fam vacation, and would rather stay out of the equation if i feel that's in danger of happening
 
Hi mountaingirl,

My vote is that you should invite both of your partners (Joe and Pea) to this family vacation. If your parents and/or sisters give you a bad time about that, I would say you should respond with an ultimatum: "Either all three of us will be there, or none of us will be there." There comes a time when you have to draw a line in the sand, and I think this is it.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
Hi mountaingirl,

My vote is that you should invite both of your partners (Joe and Pea) to this family vacation. If your parents and/or sisters give you a bad time about that, I would say you should respond with an ultimatum: "Either all three of us will be there, or none of us will be there." There comes a time when you have to draw a line in the sand, and I think this is it.

Regards,
Kevin T.
I always love how all or nothing you are Kevin :) sincerely haha. if i had more cojones i would take your advice more often.

I did talk to my mom about this just now and she was pretty level headed; I was very frank about how i was feeling and she just made the point of not wanting to "send the kids (my nephews) the wrong message" or "confuse them". the oldest is literally 7. idk enough about kids to know if that would be concerning to them, but im going to go with no since the oldest has been around me and Pea before we were out to everyone and before we were together. Pea and I are no strangers to pretending we're just friends, to the point where it's not pretending anymore (we're well past the I-want-to-romantically-embrace-you-every-ten-seconds NRE). I questioned her logic on whether my nephews would have any questions/be confused and she was unsure.
it's like my mom thinks i'd be holding hands and making out with both of them in front of my nephews but 🤷‍♀️ there isn't really a way around it if she feels that way, except to maybe just talk with my sister and see if that's actually how SHE feels about HER kids being around the three of us. and if that's the case then yeah, I probably just won't go, and they can all know that they had a part in making the decision for me not to be there. right now it seems just like my siblings dont give af and my parents are making a bigger deal than necessary, but who knows.

luckily this trip is a ways away, so plenty of time to deliberate.
 
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I think the level of disrespect of not inviting your entire family is understated here. Considering your out of the closet…

I draw the line at respect. If I or my family is not respected, I don’t go. I don’t over think it or defend my lifestyle. In fact I recently skipped Bird’s family reunion because Daisy was not invited. I know family is hard, if you find a better approach let me know!
 
I can't imagine your sister being down with those arrangements for.her kids.
Yeah trying to separate what is my parental weirdness from what is actually going on is a continuing problem. I mentioned how the sleeping arrangement was odd considering we'd all be paying the same and my parents were like "what no that was a joke" but ... I'm still not certain since no alternative was mentioned. Also don't jokes have to be funny? 🤷‍♀️ I'm always down for a slumber party with my nephews tho :) I think for now I'll focus more on the fact that Pea is 100% not invited (according to my mom) rather than the potential weird ass sleeping arrangements
 
In this case would 100% take my money and invest in a vacation with both loves (if they want that) separate from extended family of origin.

I’m not one to push back when someone is pointedly not invited. I’d worry that if they’re even a little against someone being included, every little hassle, bump, or conflict will be blamed on my including the unwanted one.

But if they’re at all interested in me coming next time, they’ll see my absence as enforcing my firm boundary: invite us all, or enjoy without us.
 
I think the level of disrespect of not inviting your entire family is understated here. Considering your out of the closet…
For sure. like, if everyone there already knows, then I'm just ... pretending Pea doesn't exist so everyone (especially my mom) can feel more comfortable...? If there's space for everyone then what gives? Everyone else's family is 'acceptable' but not mine. I know my mom is aware that this is my family too; she just would rather that not be the case and perhaps thinks she can will it to change by not accepting it. I don't know.

My mom also asked if I would ever "try this" with Joe's mom haha (so somewhat similar to Bird's family being cool with Daisy at a fam reunion). Joe hasn't told his mom yet. I know she has her suspicions, but it's really an in person thing and we live so far away, + last time she was here she was dealing with infidelity in her relationship so not a good time. Whenever that does happen, I'm hoping for the best.
I draw the line at respect. If I or my family is not respected, I don’t go. I don’t over think it or defend my lifestyle. In fact I recently skipped Bird’s family reunion because Daisy was not invited. I know family is hard, if you find a better approach let me know!
This is kind of where I'm at this point. I'm definitely going to talk to my sister beforehand just to be like "hey, do you really have a problem with your kids being around the three of us?" If the answer is yes, I'm going to respectfully let her know I won't be there. And if it's no, I'm going to revisit this conversation with my mom and say "this is clearly your issue, not everyone else's." and maybe still not go.

I did find a cabin nearby that would fit the three of us. I can sidestep my mom/parents if i need to, but at that point is it worth it?

It's a shame, because I really want to be around my family (especially my sisters and their kids) but I may need to visit them separately at a different time.
 
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In this case would 100% take my money and invest in a vacation with both loves (if they want that) separate from extended family of origin.
Pea has been talking about an alaska ski trip 🤤 and we had all been talking about a trip to hawaii before my parents suggested this. We have no shortage of vacation ideas for the three of us lol great plan
I’m not one to push back when someone is pointedly not invited. I’d worry that if they’re even a little against someone being included, every little hassle, bump, or conflict will be blamed on my including the unwanted one.
yeah that makes sense. i think this is along the vein of not wanting to owe anyone anything. i know my parents enough to know that this will make me an 'inconvenience' in their eyes, even if i manage to confirm that my siblings are cool with it.
But if they’re at all interested in me coming next time, they’ll see my absence as enforcing my firm boundary: invite us all, or enjoy without us.
My only hope is to communicate well enough with my siblings that this isn't seen as me just being 'difficult'. In the conversation with my mom yesterday I didn't get mad, and was way more understanding than she probably deserved. "Oh you don't agree with my life? You think I'll corrupt small children with my relationship dynamic? I feel you" lol
I appreciate the echoing of this sentiment. It's definitely validating to have someone say this is an acceptable recourse. Definitely felt like an asshole yesterday for considering not going but I think that was just from speaking with my mom.
 
Hi mountaingirl,

What is the "wrong message" that you would be "sending" to your nephews? that polyamory is okay? How is that a "wrong" message? and what is it about polyamory that is supposedly "confusing?" How is it confusing to see you loving more than one person? Your sister loves more than one of her kids and no one calls that confusing. Are we supposed to just automatically accept that romantic love is a special case that makes it confusing? Why shouldn't the kids see that it's not a special case at all? Not that they would be seeing it; you have already decided that you, Joe, and Pea would not be doing any PDA's. So what is there to be confused about? Are you not allowed to have more than one friend? Is that what the kids are supposed to think? Your mom's mindset is what I find confusing.

I admit I don't have much patience for controlling parents. My parents learned the hard way that I would disown them in a heartbeat if they treated me like that. Maybe they could control me when I was a kid, but as adulthood progressed for me I got less and less willing to go along with that. My partner and metamour don't want us to be out about our poly arrangement, and I respect that. But if it was just up to me, I'd be out in a heartbeat, and my parents could either accept me for who I am, or deal with my absence in their lives. That's my perspective. I can be pretty cold about that.

You have to decide, based on your own criteria, what your own deal breakers are. You might be more tolerant than I am. You might be inclined to let your parents push and control you -- up to a certain point. And it is yours to decide, what that certain point is. For you. Maybe you cave in, and go to this family vacay with just Joe, leaving Pea at home. Only you can decide whether you can live with that.

But I would say "No way" to them.
Regards,
Kevin T.
 
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