Advice Needed

RedKitKat

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Advice Needed - first poly relationship having issues

Let me start off by saying I’m new: both here and to polyamory. Though I have been with my secondary for about a year, I still feel very new and this is my first real experience with polyamory.
I may have accidentally caused a problem, and I’m not sure what to do and don’t have many other friends to talk to about polyamory relationship issues so here I am.
I told my secondary partner about some passive-aggressive posts his primary was posting online that were pretty obviously about him, because I was getting concerned about her needing space with just him due to what was obviously an increased decline in her mental health (they have had a lot of life changes recently, specifically her changing her entire career path and not working while things are changing has been hard on her) and because I felt like I was lying to him seeing the posts and not saying anything. I didn’t realize he would be so upset that she had been posting things, and even then, I didn’t think it was wrong for me to voice my concern and explain that I felt like I was becoming unwelcome in their home because of her general attitude and these posts.
Anyway, she lied about even making the posts and when pressed changed her story to them being about her secondary partner. However, her secondary partner is monogamous, and these posts were venting about her partner flirting with other woman and not spending enough time with just her…and in private conversations with her she had mentioned those things to me as well. I was honest when I told him, I told him what they said (when he asked, because at first I only mentioned that there had been passive posts made that contributed to my concerns) and that they didn’t use names, just “partner” and while I feel they were about him I don’t know for sure and recognize that. So, he’s hurt and not sure who to trust and I’m upset he’s hurting because that obviously wasn’t my intention and I feel as though I told the whole truth as I had it and he’s pulled back into himself a lot, so he hasn’t been able to be a partner for me or be there for me, and the next day she asked for some gifts back. I gave them back and am giving him his space though it’s hard talking so little and barely seeing him at all…especially I shut down my social media for a bit because as this happened some family things came up; so, I’m particularly feeling the lack of support he can’t give right now. Then there’s the fact that when I turned it on, in less than 24 hours she’s made a few posts about polyamory and how happy she is with her two partners and how they get along, which is very unlike her and almost feels like she’s trying to rub something in my face?
Between the posts and her behavior, I feel sort of like I was manipulated and that she’s trying to push me out and I don’t know why? We’ve had a solid and open friendship, so I thought, and have been able to talk about things since even before my relationship with him began about a year ago. She’s never had a problem coming to me to ask for space before, or any other concerns she is having, and she was very nurturing at first in our relationship and helped me understand polyamory and research it while I decided if it was something that would work for me and be healthy for me. So, I feel very cut off and confused and I feel like I can’t approach her anymore without causing more problems and I’m not sure what I did wrong or what to do going forward other than let him heal a bit and come back to me when he’s ready and see how she’s doing at that point? Or maybe when he’s healed and comes to me I must talk to them both? I’m not sure.
Any advice is welcome. I don’t have a lot of foothold in any poly community yet and am not sure who else to turn to. My primary has been wonderfully amazing and loving to help me through this because I’m hurting a lot now at the sudden cut from their lives and the confusion over how it escalated to this point and where do I go from here.
 
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I'm sorry you're struggling with this. I don't mean any of this post harshly, so I hope you won't take it that way.

Your mistake, in my opinion, was talking to your partner about what your metamour posted. That was not your place. I understand that you would have felt dishonest if you hadn't told him, but still... it was not your place to bring the posts to his attention. Presumably, if they're primary partners, he can see her posts for himself and would eventually have found these. Also, I would suspect your metamour posted those things as a way of venting, not so she could be confronted about them.

It was not your place, either, to decide or worry that maybe she needs time alone with your partner. That is *their* relationship, it is *their* thing to deal with. If she does need that time but isn't willing to express such to him, that's on her; it is not up to you do tread into their relationship and try to make things turn out the way you think they should. Let them handle their own stuff.

You went behind your metamour's back to tell your partner about things she had posted, you made a decision about what she needed without even talking to her, and you put her in a position of having to deal with a confrontation she was likely trying to avoid...and you don't understand why she's trying to push you out? Really?

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as the saying goes. You may have had both of their best interests at heart, but you crossed a major line.
 
Thank you for your input. I realize now I was really caught up in my good intentions and wasn't seeing the other parts. I appreciate it a lot and now kind of know where to go from here.
 
I agree with KC. Your partner's relationship with your meta is their relationship...their business. Unless it's an emergency situation, it's usually best to stay out of their business.

This is why I am never friends with my metas on social media...that way I won't accidentally stumble across something I don't need to or want to see and they won't stumble across things I don't wish them to see. I also avoid triangulation in conversations. I'm not perfect at it...sometimes it happens...but I usually try to avoid it. This also means I don't want my partner venting about my meta to me...or venting about me to a meta...and I won't vent about one partner to another partner (or about a meta to our mutual partner.)

My advice would be to make amends to both parties. Sincerely apologize for overstepping without making excuses. Then just don't do it again. That will help rebuild trust in both relationships. Mistakes happen. How we handle those mistakes can make us stronger, better versions of ourselves if we let it.
 
Hello RedKitKat,

To be safe, you could say to your metamour, "Can I ask, have I done something to hurt you in some way? If I have, is there some way I can make it right? I value our friendship and do not want to lose it." Then, listen to your metamour's answer. Try not to get defensive. You did what you thought was right, but your metamour may have a different point of view and you should respect that. As for your shared partner, I think I would wait a little while, and then ask him the same/similar question. Tell him that you miss the time you and he used to spend together, and that you would like to get back to something like that if he's willing.

Those are my initial thoughts. I hope you can work things out with them.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
I had a situation where a metamour was making posts online which were threatening. They would write a post every time they ended up sharing space with a metamour and the creepiest thing was that they'd be fine to your face but write that they felt violent and aggressive towards you and imagined that terrible things happened to you while you were there.

I particularly remember they wrote that they imagined sneaking nuts into the food of a metamour who had a severe allergy and that's the only thing that got them through the evening.

I had to leave that relationship.
 
I'm sorry you're struggling with this. I don't mean any of this post harshly, so I hope you won't take it that way.

Your mistake, in my opinion, was talking to your partner about what your metamour posted. That was not your place. I understand that you would have felt dishonest if you hadn't told him, but still... it was not your place to bring the posts to his attention. Presumably, if they're primary partners, he can see her posts for himself and would eventually have found these. Also, I would suspect your metamour posted those things as a way of venting, not so she could be confronted about them.[ QUOTE]

Well what is her “ PLACE “ ? What does the word partner mean ?? Get undressed and get on your back ??


You went behind your metamour's back to tell your partner about things she had posted, you made a decision about what she needed without even talking to her, and you put her in a position of having to deal with a confrontation she was likely trying to avoid...and you don't understand why she's trying to push you out? Really?
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She posted on a public forum! She put her words and thought out into cyber space and The person who saw it has all the responsibility?? Wow amazing.
Here’s a thought how about if you’re going to post harsh or embarrassing things on the internet you suck it up when someone reads it.


The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as the saying goes. You may have had both of their best interests at heart, but you crossed a major line.

Where in the secondary bill of right is this covered. That there isn’t 3 or 4 relationships going on connected together. There’s also the saying when alerting someone to possible danger .... see something say something.


I completely disagree I thing the op did the right thing and the hubby is being a little bitch in this.
 
This is definitely a tough situation and I'm sorry you have to go through it.

I do agree with Dingedheart that your meta shouldn't have been surprised that this happened. She posted in a public forum; on facebook you can literally say "everyone but these people can see", and if she didn't expect a party who was intimately related to it to say something...yeah. That's not the internet. If I heard someone talking shit about B or Z behind their back face to face...I would tell them. Facebook posts really aren't that much different. Actions are allowed to have a consequence people don't like.

It sounds like you have a more kitchen table set up with your boyfriend as the hinge? Especially since it sounds like you were bringing up this is how it relates to you and makes you feel.

Honestly, bringing up the concern to him if you aren't able to or comfortable bringing it up with your meta is what is to be expected with him...as the hinge. I'm not sure I understand his reaction either.
It definitely could be that he's hurt and upset and you're getting the brunt of it because you're there. Which isn't fair.

I do agree with Kevin on if you want to salvage/work on your metas relationship it will require a dialogue. You did and understandable thing, her making those posts wasn't honestly a mature or constructive way of handling things. But, if you do have this type of relationship, you can always talk about why she did it.
As for your boyfriend, finding out why he reacted the way he did is a start. As well as finding out if there are different ways to approach discussions like this or these situations.
Maybe you need a more parallel poly set up? You don't interact deeply with your meta. You don't see her posts. You don't hear about their relationship from him or her. But, in the end, it can't really be had both ways. You can't be involved with the intimate ins and outs of your metas mental health, life, and relationship with your boyfriend and then be expected to not develop an opinion.
 
I am sorry you struggle.

I have a hard time reading without breaks. Could you be willing to consider making some next time? You are past the edit window on this post.

FWIW, this is what sticks out to me. Maybe it helps you to see it stripped down some? I quote just to visually block it off.

BACKGROUND

I may have accidentally caused a problem, and I’m not sure what to do and don’t have many other friends to talk to about polyamory relationship issues so here I am.

  • I told my secondary partner about some passive-aggressive posts his primary was posting online that seemed to be about him.

    • I was concerned about her increased decline in her mental health
    • I was concerned about her needing space with just him

  • I didn’t realize he would be so upset that she had been posting things

  • But I didn’t think it was wrong for me to voice my concern and explain that I felt like I was becoming unwelcome in their home because of her general attitude and these posts.

  • Anyway, she lied about even making the posts and when pressed changed her story to them being about her secondary partner.

PROBLEM 1: LACK OF CONNECTION WITH PARTNER

So, now he’s hurt and not sure who to trust. He’s pulled back into himself a lot, so he hasn’t been able to be a partner for me or be there for me

I’m upset he’s hurting because that obviously wasn’t my intention.

I am giving him his space though it’s hard talking so little and barely seeing him at all. I also have things going on in my family and wish I could have support from him on that.

PROBLEM 2: META BEING WEIRD

She asked for gifts back so I gave them back.

I took a social media break and then when I got back on, she's on there making more poly posts like everything is well when it isn't. That upset me.

I thought we were friends. Now between the posts and her behavior, I think I was manipulated and like she’s trying to push me out and I don’t know why?


PROBLEM 3: LACK OF POLY SUPPORT

I lack a larger poly network/support. I'm new to it, and so far my only people were the people in this story.

  • My primary has been great support through all this. The family thing AND this problem with my secondary and meta.

  • My secondary is off in a funk all withdrawn into himself, and can't support me through my family thing. And I don't know what will come of this new thing with the meta posting stuff yet. He's in a funk, she's all "poly is great!", and I'm bummed out.

  • My meta (who was my poly mentor) now has increased mental issues. I can see where she lied. Now I realize maybe she's been possibly playing head games/manipulating me. I am uncomfortable with all that.

SUGGESTIONS

If those are the main problems? Here's my opinion / suggestions. I don't know if it could help you any.

No, you didn't do anything wrong. Or at least not anything in bad faith -- you saw your meta making posts in a public forum that caused you concerns and you made your partner aware of them.
If this is an area you had not talked about before, then he could give you a pass on not knowing. You cannot be a mind reader. And then he could update you what he prefers for these things in future.

  • "Yeah, let me know those things if you stumble on public posts."

OR

  • "Please don't tell me about public posts my other partner makes in public forums. I rather deal with all that myself/I don't care about that."

Go direct. If you have concerns about your secondary partner and how her mental health stuff is affecting him? Ask him direct. "Hey... I'm worried about meta's increasing mental illness stuff and how it might affect you. Are you ok?"

I also don't read where you went direct to your meta. "Hey, I was wondering... are you needing more time/space alone with our share partner?" If you didn't, could deal direct there next time. Maybe she DOES need some time and space alone with him. Just because in the past she could articulate that well to you? If she's having mental illness things today? Doesn't mean she can articulate it today. So ask direct.

If you think she's having some sort of mental illness, that's not an excuse for poor behavior at you. But it might explain some of the weird. So step back and consider that.

Maybe you are experiencing some sort of "push-pull" thing or "up and down" emotional roller coaster thing she's having or doing. Doesn't mean you have to get ON the roller coaster with her. It could be "Ok, today she's all wheee!" And tomorrow it could be "Ok, today she's all doom." It's not your job to manage her illness or make her patient care plan. Step back and don't take stuff on board that doesn't actually belong to you.

Focus on things that DO affect you. You might think about mental illness and if you have the bandwidth for that. Do you want to be dating a partner whose other partner is a patient person? How much will that bleed over into your life or time with him? Are you good at being firm and keeping personal boundaries? Maybe you just disconnect any of your social media from hers so you don't have to look and her posts?

(Me? I don't want any more mental health in my close orbit. I have my own anxiety, one of my children has anxiety/depression, I have an Alzheimer parent, and another elder who might be on the path the dementia. Mental illness doesn't make anyone a bad person, but it DOES make MY dance card full if I have to be providing care for these people. If I have free time to spend with other people? I want a break from all that. Not adding MORE mental health patients on the list. So consider what's YOUR dance card is like. There's different kinds of saturation. Not just poly saturation. YKWIM? )

This experience seems to have shined a light on the fact that you need OTHER poly support people. Your current support is rather small.

I guess in your newbieness you were ok with your meta being your "poly mentor?" Maybe it's time to step back from that? Have better personal boundaries with her?

Are you out to family and friends? Could they help support you with your life stuff? Can you connect with other poly groups? You can certainly post here, but sometimes "in real life" people help too.

Like with the family thing... people here can listen, but IRL people can come bring you dinner and give you a hug. YKWIM?

Galagirl
 
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