Advise for BDSM based poly relationship problem

Prettyinpink

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I need some advise on how to deal with a problem that arose last night. My husband, after 2 years of searching has found a slave (I am his sub and his baby girl). He has only known her for 1 month and had his first play session with her on Thursday (3 days ago). Last night we were at a play party and he invited her. This was the first time I was going to meet her and I asked him not to Dom or play with her that night as I wanted to get a chance to get comfortable with her first. (I only needed one night to do this). This turned into a bit of a fight as he said he wanted to Dom her but eventually said he would not. Well most of the night she was by his side and this frustrated me a little bit as I felt like I had very little chance to connect with him. I should add that I had talked to her multiple times in the night so that she would feel more comfortable with me and with this arrangement. There was a point when she left and my Sir asked me to come kneel beside him so I did. She also came and kneeled beside him, which also bothered me a bit as I let them connect for a long period of time without bothering them. My Dom then pulled me in and started to rub my hair. I looked over and notice he was doing the same to her. This was the incident that really bothered me and that I can't seem to work past today. For one I have told him many times in the past that when he is having a moment with me I don't like when he pulls other girls into that moment. I feel like it's disrespectful. Secondly I was having trouble with my feelings of insecurity, which I told him, and needed to reconnect with him and when he brought her into the moment I no longer felt special. It also bothered me as he said he would not Dom her but he was the one who asked her to kneel with me, she had a collar on, and she was kneeling by his side for much of the night. I feel like he crossed my boundary and broke his word. My jealousy came from me feeling like I am not important to him and that this slave is his new priority, and now my feelings and needs do not matter. Has anyone else had a problem like this? Does anyone else need to have a chance to meet your partners new partner before you see your partner become romantic with them? How do I bring this up without having a major fight? Which usually occurs when I sate my feelings, even if I don't blame him for them. Thanks everyone in advance for your advise
 
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Talk to him. Tell him how you feel and that you feel he did not respect your boundaries.

If he gets mad when you talk about your feelings, that seems like a red flag to me.
 
Yes, it's a problem that he agreed to something, and didn't follow through.

But your request may have been unreasonable. For some, a kink dynamic *is* their fundamental relationship/romance dynamic. You basically asked that he behave as if he did not like her.

More problematic, you expected her to behave as if she did not like him, and I'm not sure that you communicated this to her, or that she agreed.

Now, if you talked to both of them, and they agreed to act as if they did not have feelings for each other (despite it being a lot for you to ask), they should have complied, or communicated that they realized they could not comply.

Also, maybe he thought he'd only agreed not to play, and thought that meant no scenes, no toys, no beatings. Maybe there was miscommunication here.

I don't mean to ignore the fact that you have strong feelings-- your feelings are valid. But, while you can certainly ask your partner to be supportive, be careful not to put too much responsibility on him for managing how you feel.

And don't get me wrong-- he was thoughtless and selfish to jump into his fantasy of being the manly Dom with two slavegirls at his feet. That does feel yucky, to think you're having a relationship moment and realize that he's somewhere else.

Talk to him, and try to use "I" statements-- I feel, I can do this, I can't do that, I need this in order to do this thing. Make it about your boundaries, your limits, rather than focusing on your hurt or his callousness (which are real things, but make for a less productive conversation).

And if you have a 24/7 dynamic, ask for permission to speak about the relationship from a space of equality. Dominant kinksters sometimes need a hint that a conversation requires a little more focus, and a little less ego.
 
Last night we were at a play party and he invited her. This was the first time I was going to meet her and I asked him not to Dom or play with her that night as I wanted to get a chance to get comfortable with her first. (I only needed one night to do this).

Ok, That is the purpose of attending this party then. To get comfortable with her.

he wanted to Dom her but eventually said he would not.

Ok, he agrees.

There was a point when she left and my Sir asked me to come kneel beside him so I did.

I thought the purpose was to meet and greet the newbie and maybe watch some scenes together? He was not going to Dom.

Why do you agree to scene? That helps him break his agreement to not Dom at this event.

You and he BOTH did not stick to the purpose of "meet and greet only" at this event if you start scening together yourselves.

So to me it sounds like both helped to co-create this situation. Newbie floats on back and obeys him. (Without having consent from you to co-scene? How newbie is she? Like total newbie and looking to him to give the cues and he's not doing that for her?)

Then it triggered old upsets. Like how in the past, he's pulled other people into a scene, where you seem to prefer for no "spur of the moment" co-scenes.

Does he get carried away in topspace? If so, all the more reason to keep to "one purpose per event" rather than multipurposes. Slow it down to get clear first with him and you and newbie on changes to the kinkplaymath now that she's a new partner within it. (This is polymath written, but it works for me -- familymath, polymath, kinkplaymath, whatever relationship "webs")

If this was supposed to be "meet and greet" with the newbie... I'm not sure if you or he communicated that clearly to newbie. Did you? And if she's clueless, thinking she's at a play party to play, and you and he are not sticking to intended purposes and have a scene going he invites her into? Everyone at cross purposes then.

I am seeing communication problems in these layers so far:

you <---> him in the context of sticking to purpose of attending this event and helping each other stick to agreements


you <---> her in the context of being clear on purpose of attending this event. Was she left in the dark?
him <---> her in the context of being clear on purpose of attending this event. Was she left in the dark?
(you + him) <---> her in the context of being clear on purpose of attending this event. Was she left in the dark?

and

him <----> (you + her) in a co-scene context

Talk this out with them -- how communication is going to work here. And next time -- one clear, shared purpose per event. Not multipurposes. Everyone on the same page. Could slow it DOWN.

Play parties could be fun, not annoying or upsetting.


Has anyone else had a problem like this? Does anyone else need to have a chance to meet your partners new partner before you see your partner become romantic with them?

I'd like a heads up meet & greet. Not everyone does, but it is hardly unheard of.

How do I bring this up without having a major fight? Which usually occurs when I sate my feelings, even if I don't blame him for them. Thanks everyone in advance for your advise

Can you give example conversation? How does he LISTEN? Defensively? Take it personally? How you you TALK? What do you say? How do you say it? Communication has both talking skills and listening skills. From your post it is hard to tell if it is your talking style, his listening, or BOTH that could be improved upon.

In your kink dynamic with your Dom (whether 24/7 or scene based or other)... I think for it to be healthy there needs to be a time/space where you can give feedback on his Dom skills and he you on your Sub skills outside of scene. You could be too subspace lala or he too topspace lala to take it on board during a scene. But it needs talking about SOME time. Dom only exists at the consent of the sub. If his Dom skills need work he could take feedback so the experience becomes good for all of you as you practice. If you are not hard to Sub in some way -- you could take that on board so the experience becomes good for all of you as you practice.

Galagirl
 
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Hi prettyinpink,

Some great advice so far. I'll add my perspective in the hope that it helps.

So your husband is also your Dom/Daddy. He has been looking for a slave for 2 years, and has finally found one. Perhaps a little bit of over-enthusiastic NRE-ness going on because of that. Has he ever had other partners before?

Firstly, I can understand why you are upset about him stroking her hair while stroking yours. It must have been very hard for you to share your intimate D/s space with this new person, and I can see why you may have felt a sense of discomfort, violation, or intrusion. While some people enjoy this, or don't mind it, I generally dislike this too, for various reasons.

Before meeting, you expressed that you'd prefer him not to Dom her at the event, and he agreed under protest. Plenty of people prefer to meet new metamours in a non-sexual setting. This is not unusual. It's a shame that your husband couldn't accept that without throwing what sounds like a mini tantrum about wanting to play with her. Some people are self-oriented that way. At the same time, he is allowed to express his desires and wishes just as you are. :)

Once at the event, you felt disconnected from him because his slave was at his side a lot. Your husband's new slave left for a moment, and he asked you to kneel beside him. She returned and knelt too, which you perhaps felt was unthoughtful, since you'd tried to give the two of them space to connect previously. It sounds like there may have been a bit of rivalry going on, whether just from you, or both of you. This can happen in any poly dynamic, and certainly between submissives :) You both want to feel safe, you both want to feel special. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'd try to keep an open mind about her for now, and remember that she would have been wanting to please him as a slave.

You felt that your husband went against his agreement that he would not engage in D/s play with his new slave during that evening and this upset you. I find myself wondering something about this. Perhaps Domming has a different meaning for your husband than it does to you. I can see how kneeling and wearing a collar might be thought of (by some) as a general interaction between a Master and slave, or Dom and submissive. For instance, my partner hasn't yet played with her sub in front of me, but she has treated him submissively (tugging his hair, giving him a light spanking, etc.) These things are uncomfortable for me, and quite profound for her sub, but my GF finds them small and lighthearted. Perhaps your husband thought that you meant "Please don't throw her on the cross and do a 45 minute scene with her"?

You must be able to talk to your husband about this. If you keep it inside, you're not only doing yourself no favours, you're also not allowing your husband the opportunity to grow and reflect. As GalaGirl said, think about how you generally approach your husband. I used to think that I approached my girlfriend gently and logically. Perhaps I did, perhaps I didn't. Either way, it often ended up in a fight. Eventually, two things happened - firstly, I expressed that I'd had enough with being screamed at. It could happen no more. She expressed the same to me. Secondly, I read and read and read about improving my non-violent communication skills. If you haven't read it, I'd strongly recommend reading 'Nonviolent Communication' by Marshall Rosenberg. It has some wonderful pointers.

When talking to him, I'd focus on the reflections you've made. You could tell him that you've realised that meeting a new metamour at a play party isn't comfortable for you, and that sharing D/s moments with someone else (i.e. the hair stroking) is upsetting and invasive for you. You could look inside yourself and see if you can relate to his reasoning before he has the chance to feel defensive. For instance, you could say something like this:

"Honey, I really understand that you were probably trying very hard to make sure both Slave and I felt wanted and comfortable the other night. I know you've been looking for a long time, and it must have been great for you to have two partners with you. But I have to express something, and I hope you'll understand. I found myself very uncomfortable when you touched us both at the same time. I'm nervous about sharing this with you, and I'd love it if we could talk it through."

Additionally, I'm always of the mind that it's better to express feelings and needs rather than ask a partner to provide a fix. For instance, you could have originally said "I'm worried that seeing you interact with Slave in a D/s setting the first time I meet her is going to stir up unnecessary insecurities in me. If you really want her to attend this party and you really want to play with her, it might be better if I skipped this one." That's all about you, your feelings, and you managing your own emotions and situations. Your husband can then say "Ok, great!", or he could have offered something if he'd wanted to.

Sometimes I'll say things like this to my partner. I believe it's important to give a head's up. I might say "Baby, I'm really anxious about meeting New Guy again. I know I've met him before, but I'm finding this tough. You don't have to change anything or do anything differently, but just know that I might need to go out for a smoke a lot, or I might seem quiet." My girlfriend will then be aware of my feelings without feeling obligated to do anything. When I put it like this, however, she's more likely to actively *want* to be considerate. If I say "Please can you take it easy on the touching in front of me?", she feels burdened, uneasy, claustrophobic, pressured, and whatever else.

Finally, you say that your husband invited his slave to the play party. Was this with your consent? Or did he invite her along without asking you if you were happy for him to do so?
 
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Thank you everyone for all your advice I will try my best to answer every question.

I had not communicated any of this to her as I have not talked to her or met her previously. Over a week ago he told me that he had already told her that she needed to come to the event as just a friend but changed this the day of the event. I am unclear as to what she wanted or what was said to her as I had not talked to her. My understanding was that she was possibly going to be his new slave and that he was still evaluating things with her. He met her a month ago and played with her once before the event.

The agreement between us was that he would be doming me at the event but not be doming her. The purpose of this event was not a meet and great. It was an event that my Dom puts on monthly (with my help) and he just happened to invite her. I was thinking of not attending this event as the last event were he had brought a potential sub went horribly wrong. He spent the whole night with her and when I asked if I could have some of his time he said he would be there in 5 mins but I never saw him till the end of the event. He told me that this event would be different and that he would try to respect both my needs and her needs. I guess I also went as I put a lot of effort into this event and I wanted to reap the benefits of all my hard work.
My agreement with my Dom is that I never want to be in a co-scene. I also had an agreement to not bring others into our space when we are having a connecting moment.

I would not say that he gets carried away in top space but he does get carried away with new things. When something is new he puts all his energy into it and his other hobbies get put on the side lines. I also agree with sparklepop that he may have gotten carried away with the excitement of a new submissive.
He was aware what I meant by doming as we talked about having no scenes and doing no doming. He himself called what he did that night doming.
Our dynamic was 24/7 but not by design, that’s just who we are. But last night he said that he does not want to be my Dom and wants to put his efforts into doming her.

In our conversations I use a “when this happens….I feel like this… and this is what I think I need in the future” which our poly therapist taught me. Although I do sometime point the figure but this is not every time and I need to make sure I don’t do this. By simply stating a need he feels like I am telling him that he can’t have another partner or that he is a bad person.
She did not kneel beside him out of spite for me she did it because he told her to. She is very new to this and very young (19). I talked to her a few times throughout the party as I wanted her to feel comfortable with me and I wanted to get to know her. She seemed like a nice person although it was hard to get a feel on her as she was shy. I don’t think she would do anything to disrespect me.

No he did not ask about inviting her to the event he just told me that she was going to be there. This was when he said he told her that she could only come as a friend.

Thank you everyone for listening to what a wrote and providing empathetic responses. Its good to know that I am not alone in all of this and that other people have experiences similar feelings and have similar needs. Also thanks everyone for your advice about communication as I now have some new tools in my tool box. I will improve my communication of my needs in the future and try to find a strategy to avoid problems like this.
 
Thanks for clarifying and providing more detail. I misunderstood some of that.

From the sound of it, it seems to me like you communicate fine.

To me that sounds like he makes agreements he cannot keep. He gets carried away with new things, which means he is not thinking about keeping the agreements he has made prior. Be easier to own this about himself and just not promise in the first place. He does not sound like a considerate Dom that wants to make a scene good for all players.

He also does not sound like he takes feedback well. He takes it personally like he is a bad person a rather than taking it as his behavior choices did not serve well, and he could consider a change in the behavior choices next time.

That sounds like internal work for him to be doing with his listening skills and his processing skills. I am not sure that anything in your communication style in putting it out there would change his willingness to take more ownership over his behavior choices and having more follow through with his word. So that his "talk and walk" both match.

To me that is choosing to develop integrity as a character trait.... Only he can choose to do that. I mean, you could ask him to consider doing that. But if he does not want to, he does not want to. :(

Galagirl
 
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I agree with what @GalaGirl said.

At this point it is on him, not you. It also sounds like he is not so great at splitting his attention. Perhaps that is something that can be worked on.
 
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