Am I in over my head?

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I’m new here and am looking for some advice.

A little background about my BFF and me (we’re both females)...my post is a little long but without info it’s hard to ask for advice without details.

My BFF is married with multiple littles and another on the way. We’ve been close friends for a little over 18 months now. Recently I’ve been staying overnight at her house and keeping her company when hubby works nights...especially since she’s been ordered by her doc to take it easy for the remainder of the term and relax, relax, RELAX!!!

When I stay the night, I do sleep in the same bed with her, without hubby obviously, per her request. If he’s going to be home early or doesn’t have to work, she still offers to let me sleep with her and she says she’ll make hubby sleep on the couch or blow up an air mattress for himself to sleep on. I ALWAYS decline when he’s home or will be soon so they can share their own bed together since I don’t want to be disrespectful or overstep my bounds even though we’re BFFs. It’s usually her that offers but now he’s offered a few times too. I honestly can’t tell if they’re just trying to be nice when they offer? I get they wouldn’t have asked if they didn’t genuinely mean it but I still wonder because they often talk about how they never have alone time anymore, it’s super rare. That’s why in won’t stay in bed with her when he’s there.

I know she’s beyond grateful for the extra adult help and so is hubby. They’ve said things like, we don’t know what we’d do without you! You’ve been a life saver! Hubby is the sole provider for the household so he can’t just take the rest of the month until the baby is born which is why I’ve been trying to help. Two adults are better than one! I just know my BFF has a super weird history of people trying to “sleep with her husband behind her back” and some don’t even wait for her to leave the area. Even her own sister attempted to make advancements one time and tried to lie about it when caught red handed! So anything that I can do keep her mind at ease, I try to do. She suffers from really bad anxiety and worries constantly about everything. She can’t take her meds because she’s preggo so it’s especially hard for her right now

As our friendships have progressed, I’ve realized she has no “real” friends, just user friends, and I kept the impression that she’s ever had a friend like me. Same goes for him. Not real friends. When they met me, I think they realized I was someone who just wants friendship and that’s it’s, nothing in return except for that.

Lately, her hubby has been getting even more comfortable around me saying things that I was never expecting, like “love you” to me when he leaves for work when we’re all there and then I heard him calling me one of the “mamas” to be babies a few times. My BFF and I sometimes say we love each other, in a you’re my closest friend, I don’t care you’re house is a wreck, you haven’t showered, I just enjoy being around you, and I can’t live without you around kind of way.

I believe this is 100% a platonic relationship, at least from my end. We literally have no boundaries and share everything together. It almost seems like nothing is off limits except I know there is one limit that’s invisible even though she never says anything directly to me about it... do not try to sleep with my husband!!! I hope she knows by this point I wouldn’t dare.

Currently, there’s nothing physical going on between any of us except other than hubby did walk in on us in a precarious position on their bed...I was giving her back massage cause she was hurting BAD and I knew it would help. I gave her a really long massage, made her take half her clothes off and told her to just let me do it. After a few minutes I check to confirm she’s still okay since she’s never had anyone do this before and I didn’t want to force it on her. She explicitly said don’t stop, this feels amazing! She’s even making happy groaning noises because of the relief. Suddenly, hubby walks in and grins, then asks if he should leave. I think I may have been rubbing her pecs when he walked in, she was sore there too, but I think it looked like I was groping her! He didn’t know I was giving her a massage but didn’t seem to mind one bit. Even thanked me after for doing what I could to help rake care of her and going above and beyond...btw that’s just how I am for my friends. I often get burned because it’s usually a one way street. Not exactly the case here if that isn’t clear.

In all of this, I just wanted to help my pregnant mama friend out who has her hands full and be a good friend because I know she’s exhausted and having a very hard time (her words). I should add I’m now good friends with hubby too but it’s more of a brother/sister relationship feel if that makes sense, or at least that is what my BFF says she thinks it’s like to her when she sees us together. We get along really well about other things that my BFF and I don’t get into...I like girly stuff and but I also like boy stuff, such as building things, cars, etc. anything technical and that allows me to tinker with. I understand everything he talks about because it’s technical and I’m in a similar line of work (in the boys club, yep). Plus we’re almost the exact same age, 8 days apart, so it’s almost like we could be twins, where as my BFF is about 11 years younger than the both of us.

I’ve never in my life been so close another couple like this. Ever! I’m single without kids and likely will always be. It’s been lonely for me lately so I really enjoy their company. I even enjoy all the babes...all of it. I always wanted a family of my own and have long accepted it wasn’t in my cards. I just never thought this could happen. We even had a random convo over the holiday about what it would be like if we all lived together...and he brought it up.
Is the best way to go forward to just let things organically roll out and see where this goes? Im not kidding when I say my BFF has essentially absorbed me into their family and gave me a family label, Aunt E! I don’t ever want my BFF to be weird about any of this but she’s not the type to open up easily and talk about it and I don’t know how to bring it up exactly...especially given the history she’s gone thru. Most of the time it’s hubby pulling me aside asking me if I knew about something or if I could drop a few hints here and there. I know she doesn’t mind me talking alone with him and we do text often, he even says we’re the only two he ever texts/contacts. I even try to let her know if we’ve had a long convo about something that’s supposed to be secret, like gift ideas for the holidays or my plan to kidnap her and make her adult for half a day. Not the topic, just that we’ve been texting so she doesn’t worry he’s texting someone else or go snooping to ruin a surprise.

Since she’s preggo right now and I know once she has her baby in a month, things will change some. I will definitely still be around. She won’t shut me out when a newborn arrives, she’s actually grateful for the adult interaction and breaks. That’s how it was with the last little. I was one of the only people she invited to the hospital too. I’m sad I can’t go this year but I’ll be with the kiddos at home, impatiently waiting.

I’m just trying to figure out if this is a slippery slope I’m headed down or if I should stop worrying about it so much and just enjoy the fact I found a BFF/hubby combo that loves me enough to allow a single person to be IN their family. I’ve just never been so close to an entire family like this, it’s usually one spouse only and not super close to the kids. I kid you not, literally everyone inside the house are people I’d do anything for no matter what!

Any advice?
 
I should add that I am not sure where the else to ask these questions because the internet is full of cruel, mean people. I just want some advice for how to proceed. I know all too well most things tend to stay friendly for a while but tend to advance, it’s human. I just don’t want to be unprepared or caught off guard. I especially don’t want to lose my friends!

TIA!
 
I mean this kindly, ok? I'll be honest. This whole thing is too weird sounding for me.

I prefer to have strong personal boundaries in all of my relationships. I don't like having loosey-goosey ones.

As our friendships have progressed, I’ve realized she has no “real” friends, just user friends, and I kept the impression that she’s ever had a friend like me. Same goes for him. Not real friends.

I'd wonder why these people have no other real friends. What's wrong with them?

Is he busy keeping pregnant and dependent on him while he hits on any of her friends who come around?

Lately, her hubby has been getting even more comfortable around me saying things that I was never expecting, like “love you” to me when he leaves for work when we’re all there and then I heard him calling me one of the “mamas” to be babies a few times.

My BFF and I sometimes say we love each other, in a you’re my closest friend, I don’t care you’re house is a wreck, you haven’t showered, I just enjoy being around you, and I can’t live without you around kind of way.

I wouldn't do any of that. I don't want children that are not actually mine calling me "Mama" or other people referring to me that way to the children.

When my friend's husband leaves, I just want him to say "Bye, Gala!" and not be telling me he loves me. Esp. when his wife has issues with other people trying to sleep with him. I'd prefer a clear cut "friendly only" thing. And I'd call him out on the overfamiliar behavior.

When my friends are pregnant, sick, etc? I don't care if the house is a mess, esp with little ones. But I don't gush at them like "I can't live without you" because I CAN live without them. My friends know I love and value them. I tell them once a year in either bday cards or Christmas cards but I don't go around gushing it at them like I'm a lovesick teen.

I believe this is 100% a platonic relationship, at least from my end. We literally have no boundaries and share everything together.

Some of the stuff you do I don't call "platonic." Even you seem to recognize it as "slippery slope." So don't kid yourself.

What is healthy about not having any personal boundaries? Enmeshment and codependence are not great things to aspire to.

Currently, there’s nothing physical going on between any of us except other than hubby did walk in on us in a precarious position on their bed...I was giving her back massage cause she was hurting BAD and I knew it would help.

I would not massage a half naked pregnant friend. I'd get her a massage gift certificate and let a professional deal with it. I'd get her a shiatsu massager she can use on her own.

Even thanked me after for doing what I could to help rake care of her and going above and beyond...btw that’s just how I am for my friends. I often get burned because it’s usually a one way street. Not exactly the case here if that isn’t clear.

You sound like you do too much. Why do you do that?

If the result of going above and beyond all the time is that you often get burned by user-y people ... maybe do LESS and be more picky about the company you pick.

People could like you for you, not for all the services you provide. You don't have to keep "proving" your value to people.

I’ve never in my life been so close another couple like this. Ever! I’m single without kids and likely will always be. It’s been lonely for me lately so I really enjoy their company. I even enjoy all the babes...all of it. I always wanted a family of my own and have long accepted it wasn’t in my cards. I just never thought this could happen.

Is that why you have gotten in so thick with these people so fast? You are lonely or love starved for family?

I’m just trying to figure out if this is a slippery slope I’m headed down or if I should stop worrying about it so much and just enjoy the fact I found a BFF/hubby combo that loves me enough to allow a single person to be IN their family. I’ve just never been so close to an entire family like this, it’s usually one spouse only and not super close to the kids. I kid you not, literally everyone inside the house are people I’d do anything for no matter what!

You say you are worried about this being a slippery slope somehow. I think you are right to worry. Some of this is just over the top or "too good to be true" sounding.

After just knowing them 18 mos, you would do ANYTHING for them no matter what? Even if it hurts you? That's kinda messed up.

I know all too well most things tend to stay friendly for a while but tend to advance, it’s human. I just don’t want to be unprepared or caught off guard. I especially don’t want to lose my friends!

If all you want is friendship here, tell them that, start putting in some stronger personal boundaries, and call them on it when they get overfamiliar. Do NOT move in. Tell the husband to quit "soft hitting" on you. And actually BE a friend to the wife.

I've never had a platonic friendship "tend to advance." It just stays friends for me. Because I exercise strong personal boundaries and I don't have these "slippery slope" things you are talking about.

Stop sleeping in her bed, stop rubbing on her half naked, stop allowing too many familiarities like you are the kids other mama when really you are not. Encourage her to make MORE friends, not just all on you. Don't they have family to help out?

And if he's getting fresh with you, tell him to cut it out.

We even had a random convo over the holiday about what it would be like if we all lived together...and he brought it up.

WHY on earth would you want to live with these people? Rather than leave it as it is since all you want is friendship?

On the flip side, if I was pregnant and you were this latched on to me and my family I'd wonder what's wrong with you. Like why don't you have any other friends? Why do you have so much time to be over here all the time? Don't you have work? Other people to be with?

Is the best way to go forward to just let things organically roll out and see where this goes?

You mean keep on going down the slippery slope you are worried about until you get involved with the husband you claim you don't want to get involved with?

Im not kidding when I say my BFF has essentially absorbed me into their family and gave me a family label, Aunt E!

You think being absorbed into a family is a healthy thing?

I don’t ever want my BFF to be weird about any of this but she’s not the type to open up easily and talk about it and I don’t know how to bring it up exactly...especially given the history she’s gone thru.

So you DO find it weird her husband is kinda propositioning you behind her back? And now don't know how to tell her this weirdness is happening because you don't want her to think it was you doing it?

Or blame you like you are those other women from before?

Most of the time it’s hubby pulling me aside asking me if I knew about something or if I could drop a few hints here and there.

So you find it weird that he doesn't talk to his wife himself? And find it weird he wants you to proposition the wife for him?

If this is why other women keep hitting on this husband? Because he encourages "slippery slope" things and the wife is all anxious all the time as a result? She stops having friends to avoid this happening to her again?

Could proceed with caution.

Or just flat run for the hills because the whole thing is too weird.

Galagirl
 
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@GalaGirl thank you for the reply! I am feeling it’s weird too, hence why I post. I needed a sanity check because it all feels strange, and not a warm fuzzy vibe way.

Btw, all of the things he has said that I mentioned above, were always said with my BFF present so she heard it when I did. She didn’t react which is partly why it threw me. In regards to the hints and such, he does talk to her but it goes in one ear and out the other and for some reason when I talk to her about it, it sticks. It’s never anything inappropriate, more just I think he’s really worried about her. Usually something medically related or it’s history I don’t know about her but explains her mood (like losing a stepmom a few years ago).

I am generally 100% independent and don’t need financial support or anything like that. As I’ve gotten older, I find it harder and harder to make friends that are more than just acquaintances. I grew close to them over the past year and it’s where it is now it’s just not like any “friendship” I’ve ever had in the past. Ever. Hence why I’m feeling surrounded by giant red flags flapping around me.

I need to trust my gut because it’s there for a reason and when I don’t, I always regret it because I refused to believe the warning signs. I’ve grown a lot since then and know to do otherwise now.

I think I may take a few steps back. It’s always easy to let things accelerate too quickly, but that’s what brakes are for...to slow down or to stop.

Thank you for the sanity check and sound advice. It’s what I needed to hear
 
Oh and I’ve been isolated because of Covid. I have zero family where I live. My entire family lives about halfway across the country and they don’t travel. I haven’t traveled all year, live alone, and am an only child so my family is kinda small to begin with. When I moved to my current state, I knew no one except my ex who I’m no longer with. I moved on from him and it’s been years but I opted to never leave the state because I do like the area, cost of living, access to good employment, etc. it’s just the making new friends part has been hard because most people my age are settled, and I’m not even close. I’ve tried almost everything you could think of and it’s a whole lot easier when you’re younger, that’s for darn sure!
 
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Most of the time it’s hubby pulling me aside asking me if I knew about something or if I could drop a few hints here and there. I know she doesn’t mind me talking alone with him and we do text often, he even says we’re the only two he ever texts/contacts.

Does not match with
Btw, all of the things he has said that I mentioned above, were always said with my BFF present so she heard it when I did. She didn’t react which is partly why it threw me. In regards to the hints and such, he does talk to her but it goes in one ear and out the other and for some reason when I talk to her about it, it sticks. It’s never anything inappropriate, more just I think he’s really worried about her. Usually something medically related or it’s history I don’t know about her but explains her mood (like losing a stepmom a few years ago).

Could you be willing to clarify?

It sounds like he pulls you aside to ask you stuff just you two in the first. Then in the other one you say he only talks to you with her around.

You don't actual come out and say so, but do you mean he's hitting on you? Or trying to get you to be the one to suggest a poly V or triad to his wife rather than doing it himself?

I grew close to them over the past year and it’s where it is now it’s just not like any “friendship” I’ve ever had in the past. Ever. Hence why I’m feeling surrounded by giant red flags flapping around me.

If you think things feel weird here? And you are being groomed or some other hinky? You could pay attention to whatever red flags are happening and put on the brakes.

I need to trust my gut because it’s there for a reason and when I don’t, I always regret it because I refused to believe the warning signs. I’ve grown a lot since then and know to do otherwise now.

I think I may take a few steps back. It’s always easy to let things accelerate too quickly, but that’s what brakes are for...to slow down or to stop.

Yup. Pump the brakes. Assess if this is a healthy dynamic to be in.

If you decide to continue here? Just be a regular friend and not "over the top" friend doing so much. With some personal boundaries in place.

Galagirl
 
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Hello mynamestartswithane,

It sounds to me like the three of you are on the verge of forming a triad. If this is the case, then you need to figure out what *you* want in this situation. Do you want a triad? or do you just want to continue to be friends in this situation? Once you've figured that out, you need to sit down with the two of them, and tell them that you have been wondering if they are interested in more than just friendship here, and ask them if that's the case. This way you are not just sliding into a triad, you are clarifying from the beginning what you want, and what *they* want. There would be no slippery slope to have, because you would already *be* there. That would be my advice, but start by asking yourself what you would like to have happen in this situation. And keep posting on this forum, as your situation evolves. Good luck!

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Are you actually attracted to either of these people? Do you normally date women, men, both, etc? What is your relationship history? How old are you?

You sound a little young/naive, to be honest, but you say that your BFF is 11 years younger than you (but already has a whole bunch of little kids). So, how old is everyone?

The husband sounds creepy. This doesn't sound very healthy.
 
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