Am i too ill to be in a poly relationship?

tryingmybest

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Hi everyone, I hope you’re all doing well. After my break from the board I’ve decided to come back and explain my situation in more detail.
I’m 19 years old, and have been in a relationship with and older poly guy for a long time. (However, I would like to mention not an illegal amount of time.)
When I first got with him I was a secondary partner and from my recollection he’d been with his girlfriend for a few months. I’d dated a really, sweet poly guy before, however only for a few weeks, and as his only partner. So basically, I knew what poly was, but had no F’ing idea what I was doing.
Not to mention that I kinda had my head in the clouds. Now, to try and prevent this from turning into a tragic rhapsody, I’ll simplify this next bit. I have several different mental health conditions and autism and I will list the ages that I was diagnosed below.
Age:
5: Autism
12: depression
17: Schizophrenia
18: (the dreaded, lol) borderline personality disorder, Alcohol dependency (now in recovery)
19: Dissociative identity disorder and PTSD
So… loads of fun stuff, am I right? (I’m joking, I’m joking)
Now, none of these are particularly great, but I know that one of these tends to cause more problems in poly relationships more than the others and I’ve read some rather frank and not so forgiving articles written by poly people about this condition, Borderline Personality Disorder.
Now, I get it, it can’t be great being with someone with a mental illness, and if the concern comes from a place of honesty of whether-or-not you can care for the person accurately, good, I commend you. It’s when it gets to this ‘BPD phobia’ that it begins to bother me, (and makes me question your moral character.)
I am what some call a ‘quiet borderline’. You won’t have me flipping tables or screaming and shouting at you. But you might have to deal with frequent suicidal thoughts, self-harm, and other self-endangering or self-injurious activities. Basically, where the overt borderline ‘acts out’ we ‘act in’.
Combine this with all that other crap and you get pretty much hell on earth for me, and anyone closely involved with me. Including my partner.
My partner has been diagnosed with Schizoaffective disorder (schizophrenia and bipolar), depression, anxiety and PTSD. He has been a great support to me throughout the time I have known him. And I feel is the only person I have any real connection with. It is not that I see him as perfect, but rather, that I can tolerate his imperfections and still love him.
As bad as this may sound, usually, I don’t like other people. Or not even that, I just seem to be in a world of my own and unable to connect to or relate to them. Yes, occasionally I may talk to someone in an attempt to control my emotions, but after that time has passed, I feel no need of them. And as politely and as kindly as I can, I drop them.
I’ve started to do this thing where if I either feel indifferent, or actively opposed to someone, I don’t go near them. Because I know what its like to talk to someone that cant relate to you, or perhaps doesn’t seem to be interested, and I just think, let them be.
Why bother being in the presence of another human if you cannot be ‘with’ that person in soul?
My partner doesn’t like this and sees it as immaturity on my part, I have tried to explain it to him but I’m not certain he fully understands, yet. This might not be such a problem if I didn’t find it hard, or to be more honest, impossible to relate to 98% of humanity.
Then to add on to that, the fact that it must be hard for him to understand how a person can only need and long for one other like-minded spirit and yet he seemingly needs an abundance of them. I say needs as it seems to be something he has no choice over.
I have already said that if I were ever to move to his town I would have my own house and my own money. I know his dream would be to have me, and the other (future) life partner all under one roof. I have already told him there is no way this will ever happen, not even necessarily because of his future partner, but just for the fact that I need and like a lot of time on my own, a space with two other people in close proximity to me at all times would send me into overload.
I do have concerns about the future now that I have been his long-time partner and he has only had fleeting girlfriends. But a lot of the time when I read articles about this it often mentions that we wonder if the other person will be better than us, smarter than us, prettier than us and it brings out our insecurities.
Except, that is not, (at least knowingly) how I feel or what I wonder about. To me the question is more like ‘Why does this other person have to be here?’ I end up wrecking my brains trying to understand simply why?, what is it that causes this need? I know from previous discussions how his desire is actually, far more romantic than sexual.
The worst part is that I feel like I really should be over this very basic of questions by now. I also feel like I owe it to my partner to accept him. I cant say too much, but I have parts of my sexuality that I cant reveal to anyone but him. (I mean seriously, no one. I’ve spoken to a psychiatrist about it before and he swore me to secrecy and to never speak of it again.) Sometimes I do feel like he uses that against me.
So I try and rationalise it in the sense that I have other sexual likes and desires other than him, but that doesn’t mean I don’t love him immensely. But equally, merely liking something and pursuing intimate, romantic relationships are two completely different things.
I see him now, really coming out of his shell, going out with friends or to his martial arts classes, going back to university and he seems much better than he used to be. I used to be the one looking after him, but now the roles are reversed.
As my dissociation is beginning to wear off (which is a good thing, in some ways.) All my other issues are beginning to flourish in a hellish mess. He is getting much better very quickly, and although it is part of recovery, I am getting worse, we’re in two completely different mind settings.
And I wonder, am I simply too mentally ill to be in a poly relationship? (or any relationship? You could question)
Poly relationships are fantastic in the sense they leave no stone unturned, but not so good for that exact reason. Whilst poly partners do support each other, I believe it also requires an abundance of self-sustainability and ability to relate to others, that maybe I just lack.
 
I can't answer your question about your fitness as a partner in a relationship. It probably depends a lot on your partner. I had a girlfriend with BPD and I didn't handle it very well so it ended badly.

I can relate to what you say about not liking people very much. It's hard for me to go all in. If someone seems disinterested in me I don't pursue them. The only person who really ever knew me at all was my wife. Part of the reason we went poly had to do with sexual needs she wouldn't/couldn't fulfill.

Speaking of which, I will suggest that you should find a more kink friendly psychiatrist. I don't think what yours suggested is healthy at all. In my experience, keeping that sort of thing bottled up can cause major problems.
 
I have depression, anxiety, complex-PTSD, and a couple of chronic physical health issues on top of it.

Complex-PTSD, if anyone doesn't know, is not, as I understand it, frequently diagnosed at this point, but it's becoming more common. Rather than being caused by a single or short-term trauma (e.g. an assault or serving a year or two in combat), complex-PTSD is the result of years, if not decades, of ongoing abuse or trauma that the person cannot get away from, e.g. a child growing up in an abusive home while also being bullied at school.

Complex-PTSD is currently often misdiagnosed as BPD, because a lot of the traits and symptoms are similar, but they come from different roots and there are some differences. However, because of the similarities, I can understand how BPD might impact relationships, whether it's the quiet kind or the tossing-tables kind.

If you're aware of your behaviors and how they might affect your partner(s), and you're working to learn management techniques and coping strategies, there's no reason you can't be a good partner and have a good relationship. Out of the guys I've dated, only one had a problem with any of my illnesses, and his only problem was that when I had panic attacks, he wanted to fix things and couldn't. Both of my current partners are incredibly supportive and reassuring; I've been able to learn what works for me and what doesn't when one of the illnesses kicks up, and I've passed that knowledge along to my partners during calm times so that when I need their help, they know what to do.

On the other hand, though, it sounds like in your situation, your illnesses might be butting heads with your partner's illnesses, and that isn't a good situation. You also mention not connecting with people, and not, for the most part, even liking other people. If your partner is more outgoing and is telling you your behavior is a problem for him, that's also not a good situation.

You're quite young. (I'm 46. To me anyone under 30 is "quite young.") You have a lot of time ahead of you to work on learning other ways to manage your illnesses and your behaviors, and learn ways to relate and interact that might lead to better situations for you. I wouldn't say you're too mentally ill to be in *a* relationship, but I wonder if there are just too many negative factors between you and your partner for you to be in *this* relationship.
 
I am sorry you struggle.

Could you please be willing to clarify?

To me the question is more like ‘Why does this other person have to be here?’ I end up wrecking my brains trying to understand simply why?, what is it that causes this need? I know from previous discussions how his desire is actually, far more romantic than sexual.

Are you saying you prefer it would just be you and partner? Nobody else? And you aren't sure why partner prefers to poly-date? Where you could let poly-dating go?

My partner doesn’t like this and sees it as immaturity on my part, I have tried to explain it to him but I’m not certain he fully understands, yet. This might not be such a problem if I didn’t find it hard, or to be more honest, impossible to relate to 98% of humanity.

To me it sounds like the problem is that he calls you names like "immature" rather than accepting this is just how you are at this point in time.

The worst part is that I feel like I really should be over this very basic of questions by now. I also feel like I owe it to my partner to accept him.

Do you believe your partner owes it to you to accept you?

I cant say too much, but I have parts of my sexuality that I cant reveal to anyone but him. (I mean seriously, no one. I’ve spoken to a psychiatrist about it before and he swore me to secrecy and to never speak of it again.) Sometimes I do feel like he uses that against me.

Are you saying you don't especially love being in a poly relationship, but you stay/put up with it because Partner is one of the few people you connect with and is the ONLY person you can sexually express yourself with? Partner knows it and sometimes uses it against you? To get you to do stuff you don't want to do? :confused:

(Is this kink? Nothing wrong with kink. There are kink communities where you could find other partners. Don't stay in something that doesn't fit right any more or where partner is pressuring you to do stuff you don't want just because he's the only one so far that you found who you can kink with.)

And I wonder, am I simply too mentally ill to be in a poly relationship? (or any relationship? You could question)

That is something only you can answer. Where your inclination/energy stores are at this point in time. If you are not longer inclined to poly, if you no longer have the energy to deal with too many people... that's a reason to end it. You have to look out for you first and not spread yourself too thin. You only have so many spoons as a patient.

Poly relationships are more people, more variables to deal with, more intensity. In that sense, mono relationships are only 1 person to deal with, 1 other person's schedule to deal with, less intense. Taking a break from dating -- even less people to deal with.

Poly relationships are fantastic in the sense they leave no stone unturned, but not so good for that exact reason. Whilst poly partners do support each other, I believe it also requires an abundance of self-sustainability and ability to relate to others, that maybe I just lack.

Again... something you have to determine for yourself.

If you are not feeling self sustainable, don't like things getting too "people-y" ... poly might not be right fit any more.

If your partner uses things against you...might not be the right partner any more.

His vision for the future with cohabitation partners doesn't sound like a future you want either.

Is this less about your mental illness causing challenges in your dating life? And more about this SPECIFIC partner? And whether or not partner is still a match or come to the end of the run? :confused:

I could be wrong. But the vibe I get is something like this:

"I think this is the end of the run with this partner. I don't share his vision of a future, I don't get why he has to date other people, I don't really want to poly any more. I'm not sure if ending it is what I really want. Or if this is my various illnesses coloring my perspective.

Or if it is both -- I don't want to be here with this partner any more AND my illness management right now is what needs my main attention."​

Galagirl
 
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Only you know if you can handle your multiple diagnoses and still maintain a healthy relationship. My husband, PunkRock, has several issues but is stable on his meds and is willing to see a professional whenever he feels a little off, or if I tell him I believe it's important. He's a recovering alcoholic, struggles with depression, and is bipolar. Our ability to communicate about his struggles is paramount.

My ex boyfriend was not stable on his meds, was dismissive when asked to see a psychiatrist, and generally just not willing to work on his depressive episodes. Near the end of our relationship, it was a struggle to just talk with him and not be sucked into his rabbit holes of unhappiness.

So, I can just say, be upfront and honest about your struggles, and be willing to work on things that are causing you problems.
 
5: Autism
12: depression
17: Schizophrenia
18: (the dreaded, lol) borderline personality disorder, Alcohol dependency (now in recovery)
19: Dissociative identity disorder and PTSD
That's a lot of labels :(
I don't have the answer to your questions, so I just cheer on you.
I have a friend (I can safely call her best friend at this point) with BPD, and she's great. If I were to poly with her I would go slowly because of her impulsivity and great need for personal freedom, but I would.
I hope you can step back from the labels and just take yourself as yourself with all the nuances. Don't worry that you can't relate because of the diagnosis, just tackle what really makes you stuck. My conditions are less severe, but my diagnosis has been changed from depression to anxiously-depressive disorder, to bipolar type II, to cyklothymia, all along me remaining me. It was a relief when I stopped taking the diagnosis seriously and started working on my development just in the same manner a healthy person would if they wanted to improve.
 
I am sorry you struggle.

Could you please be willing to clarify?

absolutely

Are you saying you prefer it would just be you and partner? Nobody else? And you aren't sure why partner prefers to poly-date? Where you could let poly-dating go?

Yes, im mono and if i wasnt involved with my partner its unlikely i would be in a poly relationship. However, for his sake i wanted to try. Not try polyamory myself but let him have other partners. At first i was very much ignorant and still caught up in the mindset that he just wanted sex elsewhere and that somehow if i put enough restrictions on him, that there was no way anything could possibly come near our relationship. Over time i began to realise that i was ignorant and this whole attitude of 'ok you can sleep with other people but dont fall in love with anyone.' was deeply unfair and hurtful to my partner. (Not to mention unrealistic) We have talked about the future and he said he wouldnt mind me not living with him and any future partner he takes.
To be honest, the biggest issue is that he has terrible taste in women. Now, i know some could say 'does that mean he has terrible taste in you ?' but i mean terrible in the sense that all of the previous partners he's had have been very judgmental towards his situation. The call him names like 'loser' and break up with him due to his disabilities.
Sure, i dont particularly like the women he chooses anyway, they are usually nothing like me and in my head just re-inforce that rather bigoted idea that poly people just cant accept that one person isnt going to have everything theyre looking for. But equally, its not fair that i use my insecurity, or more accurately, bigotry, to veto his choice of love.
he seems to fall so hard and so fast its hard to keep up.
Almost everyday he tells me about this 'amazing' person he met, then a few days later....well....they arent so amazing anymore.
The last person he had a serious crush on i actually really liked, ok she was old enough to be my mother, but somehow that soothed me? she seemed to care about him, but not in the way he wanted.


To me it sounds like the problem is that he calls you names like "immature" rather than accepting this is just how you are at this point in time.
yes , that is annoying. He just says that he doesnt understand why i am like this, and that he is not like that.


Do you believe your partner owes it to you to accept you?

Well, i wont force him to accept me. but I cant be in a relationship with him if he doesnt.
he's actually been very supportive of my kink. but i think thats because he doesnt see it as a threat to him. or affecting him in any way


Are you saying you don't especially love being in a poly relationship, but you stay/put up with it because Partner is one of the few people you connect with and is the ONLY person you can sexually express yourself with? Partner knows it and sometimes uses it against you? To get you to do stuff you don't want to do? :confused:
Well, youre almost correct. like i say, if it wasnt for him i probably would not choose to be in a poly relationship. But its more like 'i accept your kink, so why cant you accept my polyamory?'

(Is this kink? Nothing wrong with kink. There are kink communities where you could find other partners. Don't stay in something that doesn't fit right any more or where partner is pressuring you to do stuff you don't want just because he's the only one so far that you found who you can kink with.)

True...



That is something only you can answer. Where your inclination/energy stores are at this point in time. If you are not longer inclined to poly, if you no longer have the energy to deal with too many people... that's a reason to end it. You have to look out for you first and not spread yourself too thin. You only have so many spoons as a patient.

Poly relationships are more people, more variables to deal with, more intensity. In that sense, mono relationships are only 1 person to deal with, 1 other person's schedule to deal with, less intense. Taking a break from dating -- even less people to deal with.



Again... something you have to determine for yourself.

If you are not feeling self sustainable, don't like things getting too "people-y" ... poly might not be right fit any more.

If your partner uses things against you...might not be the right partner any more.

His vision for the future with cohabitation partners doesn't sound like a future you want either.

thank you for the observations and advice :)
Is this less about your mental illness causing challenges in your dating life? And more about this SPECIFIC partner? And whether or not partner is still a match or come to the end of the run? :confused:

to be honest im not really to sure myself.


I could be wrong. But the vibe I get is something like this:

"I think this is the end of the run with this partner. I don't share his vision of a future, I don't get why he has to date other people, I don't really want to poly any more. I'm not sure if ending it is what I really want. Or if this is my various illnesses coloring my perspective.

i want to stay with him, because when we are together he treats me really nicely, but im wondering why i still cant wrap my head around his needs.

Or if it is both -- I don't want to be here with this partner any more AND my illness management right now is what needs my main attention."​
illness management definitely needs to come first momentarily. again do want to stay with him.
Galagirl

i would mention that i have been struggling for a long time to actually get any help, where i live you dont really get any help unless you are hospitalised against your will. so it is not that i dont want help. they are just very unreliable and hard to get help from.
hope this helps with understanding. <3
 
Thank you for clarifying.

Do you believe your partner owes it to you to accept you?

Well, i wont force him to accept me. but I cant be in a relationship with him if he doesnt.
he's actually been very supportive of my kink. but i think thats because he doesnt see it as a threat to him. or affecting him in any way

I am glad to see you write that you cannot be in a relationship if he does not accept you.

I wasn't talking about kink there. I was talking about you being mono and you being a mental health patient. He doesn't seem very empathetic toward either. Perhaps because he has is own illnesses. Who knows?

But the bottom line is that with his "up and down" dating style, it plumb wears you out. When you write I see you accommodating him a lot, but he's not accommodating you.

Yes, im mono and if i wasnt involved with my partner its unlikely i would be in a poly relationship. However, for his sake i wanted to try

That sounds like you tried it, and now find it is not your cup of tea. So you have to make a decision about it and not be forever "trying it."

  • I hear you say that you know you need to put your own mental health care first.
  • I hear you say that you want to stay with him.

Those two things may be at odds with each other if being with him romantically is draining for you. If it is not possible to have both, then I hope you choose mental health over the BF. Perhaps be friends rather than dating partners so you no longer have to deal with his romantic life "up close."

Maybe you could do a pros/cons list to help you arrive at a firm decision. See if there are enough "pros" to keep going for X more months. Or too many "cons" to continue. Then assess again after X months and if things are still the same meh, let it go. Not because it is horrible, but because as a patient? You don't have the extra spoons to spend on "meh."

I could start the list from your post... but you would have to finish filling it out for yourself and make a decision for yourself. Only you know all the things to list. I quote just to visually block it off. You could finish off the list on your own.

Pros:

  • when we are together he treats me really nicely

Cons:

  • I'm mono. I'm only involved in a poly thing to get to date him because he is poly.
  • I have given it a try, and I still cannot wrap my head around his needs.
  • He falls for other people so hard and so fast it is hard to keep up.
  • He picks out dating partners I don't like -- they are mean to him and call him "loser"
  • He doesn't get my health conditions and their limitations. He calls me immature.
  • its not fair that i use my insecurity, or more accurately, bigotry, to veto his choice of love.


i would mention that i have been struggling for a long time to actually get any help, where i live you dont really get any help unless you are hospitalised against your will.

Where you live you cannot voluntarily check yourself into hospital? What kind of help would you like? Maybe forum people can help you brainstorm where to look for it.

Galagirl
 
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Hmm, I sent him a message explaining everything and he hasn't replied all day...
Not a nice feeling :/ :(
Yeah, not nice, I remember waiting for a few answers :( However, it's not easy to write the answer either, not to mention that it usually takes 1-2 hours to compose a lenghtly explanation (assuming you don't delete it 3 times before you send it) and not everyone has the time each day.

What is it actually you are asking from him? Was it a break up? Was it a "let's talk about this and this" request?
I hope you can get the reaction soon.
 
hi everyone, still no reply

this is the message i sent him, it is basically a break up message albeit a very 'weak one'. When i say ' hes calmed down' the 'he' i am referring to is one of my hallucinations i was having difficulty with and talking to my partner about.

"
I'm gonna go offline again now, he's calmed down a lot this morning. And I feel a little better and I slept better. I'm deleting my facebook apps off of my iPad because they're just making me depressed.
I don't plan to be on facebook again for at least a few more months.
Obviously I'm not gonna expect you to stick around waiting for me. So date whoever you want. Just try and make sure they're not complete assholes who'll dump you cause you're disabled. You're a kind man, you deserve someone equally kind. You just...fall too hard and too fast.
You've been doing so well recently but to me you've been going at super speed and I feel like I'm keeping you behind and you're dragging me along.
You're doing good, you're fairly stable, and you seem to know what you want for the future.
Meanwhile I'm just getting worse and am anything but stable.
So, I need to change that. Cause none of the doctors will.
I love you and I'll miss you.
I'll still be on Twitter so you might see what I'm up to (if anything lol 😛 ) and I'll speak to you between late January -April"

he saw it yesterday, maybe cause of what i said he felt like replying was unnecessary, or maybe he was annoyed about my advice to him about hi choice of new partners... who knows?
 
So you decided to end it. He might not think it needs a reply. He may be sad and need time on his own to digest it.

You are the one who gives you closure... so rather than expect him to give you closure, you could do something for yourself toward that end.

Maybe take a walk, or a soothing bath. Maybe clean up your space from all the things from the relationship. Take down the pictures and maybe put them away in an album in a closet, but no longer on the living room mantel or bedside table in a frame. YKWIM?

"Turn the page" kinds of things you can do for you.

Galagirl
 
One thing you said that really impressed me is that you realize you can't use your insecurities and fears to try to control how he manages his relationships. There are a lot of far more experienced poly folk who don't understand that; they think they can veto, control, and legislate everything their partner does with other partners, and don't see how hurtful--and sometimes impossible--that is.

So kudos to you for seeing and understanding that! That's a really insightful recognition.
 
One thing you said that really impressed me is that you realize you can't use your insecurities and fears to try to control how he manages his relationships. There are a lot of far more experienced poly folk who don't understand that; they think they can veto, control, and legislate everything their partner does with other partners, and don't see how hurtful--and sometimes impossible--that is.

So kudos to you for seeing and understanding that! That's a really insightful recognition.

Thank you, :) even though thats something i feel i cant really take any credit for. if i were to treat him in any other way it would be cruel to both myself and him.
hes my lover not my prisoner, at least, he shouldnt be.
i guess there comes a point where i have to admit that monogamy is both something i need and long for. and that unfortunately means i cant be what he needs. The kindest thing i can do is to let him go and let us both be happy. with us both being people of colour, part of the LGBT community, and muslim, and coming from abusive backgrounds, i know what it is to feel owned, and it is something i wouldnt wish on anyone.

the past day or so has gone by and ive had periods of feeling very relieved but also very sad, and a kind of emptiness has followed me around.
Yesterday i had to stop watching tv because one of the characters had his name, even the food i ate reminded me of our future plans we had.
i dont feel like ive 'lost' him, hes my best friend and im sure will stay so.
but it is hard knowing we cant be intimate again. We were atrocious at keeping to the whole 'no sex before marriage' thing...and no matter how long we seem to leave it, the attraction doesnt go.

i have a court case that i would appreciate him to be here to support me for, but i dont know if that can happen now.
we'll see in time, i guess
 
Hi tryingmybest,

Just letting you know I've been following your thread, and feel sympathy for you. I, too, have had many diagnoses over the years, including BPD, PSTD, and autism spectrum. Everything is harder to do when you have any of those conditions.

I hope you find some peace in this hard time of breaking up.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Hi tryingmybest,

Just letting you know I've been following your thread, and feel sympathy for you. I, too, have had many diagnoses over the years, including BPD, PSTD, and autism spectrum. Everything is harder to do when you have any of those conditions.

I hope you find some peace in this hard time of breaking up.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.

thank you, it means a lot.
 
An update...

I spoke to him a few days ago and I said I understood he must be pretty p*ssed with me and that I understood if he didn't wanna talk.
He said "I'm not p*ssed, I'm in pain." I thought I'd really hurt him.
But it turns out he was sparring with two black belts :)
We talked for quite a while and I'm absolutely convinced I did the right thing.

We're still very good friends. And I'm very happy for it.
 
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