Feeling excluded in poly relationship

. I've never even heard of a case where a poly person could never see their OSO one on one.

Correct me if I'm wrong, polypet, but you were dating Ethan before June came on the scene, right? Per the above, I have (sadly) heard of situations where a newly poly couple had one partner who through a fit about their partner seeing an OSO solo.

But I've never heard about a poly person, who was dating other poly people, meeting someone new who became his primary and then couldn't see the OSO's solo that he'd started dating before the primary person came along. That speaks to a boatload of insecurity and control freakiness on June's part that is REALLY not bad.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, polypet, but you were dating Ethan before June came on the scene, right? Per the above, I have (sadly) heard of situations where a newly poly couple had one partner who through a fit about their partner seeing an OSO solo.

But I've never heard about a poly person, who was dating other poly people, meeting someone new who became his primary and then couldn't see the OSO's solo that he'd started dating before the primary person came along. That speaks to a boatload of insecurity and control freakiness on June's part that is REALLY not bad.

He and June started seeing each other about a year before he and I met. When they began seeing each other it was a long distance relationship as well and he was already in poly relationships with other women. So June knew who he was. Two years after he and I started seeing each other (three years into their relationship) she moved in with him. At first she seemed okay that I was in his life but the tone has certainly changed now.

I hope that clears up the timeline :)
 
... I have (sadly) heard of situations where a newly poly couple had one partner who threw a fit about their partner seeing an OSO solo.

But I've never heard about a poly person, who was dating other poly people, meeting someone new who became his primary and then couldn't see the OSO's solo that he'd started dating before the primary person came along...


Yes, that is what I meant. It's quite common for a newly poly couple to look for a unicorn and command she only see each of the couple for dates or sex, as a threesome.

But in this case, Ethan was communicating long distance or dating women on his own, but now is only allowed to see them at his house, where June can control things as much as possible, while acting angry and resentful? No good.

I also thought polypet had known him for a year before he met June, but now I see it's the opposite. But that shouldn't matter. Ethan is not the Dom here, June is. She is calling the shots. Blech.
 
Yes, that is what I meant. It's quite common for a newly poly couple to look for a unicorn and command she only see each of the couple for dates or sex, as a threesome.

But in this case, Ethan was communicating long distance or dating women on his own, but now is only allowed to see them at his house, where June can control things as much as possible, while acting angry and resentful? No good.

I also thought polypet had known him for a year before he met June, but now I see it's the opposite. But that shouldn't matter. Ethan is not the Dom here, June is. She is calling the shots. Blech.

I'm sorry I was not clear about the timeline before. I suppose it helps to explain my frustration. Although June was already in his life as a long distance relationship when Ethan and I met, we began our relationship without her involved. In fact he and I were seeing each other for months before he ever mentioned her to me. Don't mistake that as secrets, I know he was seeing women I just didn't know details about them.

You are right that she is calling the shots, but she is manipulative about it. She does not tell him no or say "you can't do this or that" instead she fakes panic attacks and tears to control him. As soon as he would start to show me some attention she would storm off crying and when he would check on her she would be in full blown panic mode. (Before I get angry responses to my use of the word "fake" I am aware that panic attacks are real, I have suffered from them as well. I am not diminishing the severity of panic attacks which is why I feel that faking them is offensive to people who genuinely suffer from them).

As an aside, at least when I am around the two of them I have made a game out of her childishness and am gaining some entertainment. Because she hates me sooooo much she is always doing and saying the opposite of what I say, so when we go to the store or something and she is taking forever to make a decision I will suggest something so that she picks the opposite and moves on. Kind of sad but it does entertain me that I can actually control her decisions that way. And "Blech" perfectly sums up this entire issue :)
 
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You are right that she is calling the shots, but she is manipulative about it. She does not tell him no or say "you can't do this or that" instead she fakes panic attacks and tears to control him. As soon as he would start to show me some attention she would storm off crying and when he would check on her she would be in full blown panic mode.

And "Blech" perfectly sums up this entire issue :)

I'm sorry, polypet. This does not sound like a pleasant situation. Honestly, in the end, it doesn't matter who's in control. The fact remains that Ethan is choosing to continue this relationship in this style. If he's unwilling to accommodate your desire for one on one time, and is always putting your relationship last, that leaves you with few options...put up with it or end it. A sucky place to be for sure.
 
I'm sorry, polypet. This does not sound like a pleasant situation. Honestly, in the end, it doesn't matter who's in control. The fact remains that Ethan is choosing to continue this relationship in this style. If he's unwilling to accommodate your desire for one on one time, and is always putting your relationship last, that leaves you with few options...put up with it or end it. A sucky place to be for sure.

Thank you PinkPig, it is a sucky place to be but honestly having a place like this site has helped by offering a venue to vent my feelings and work through them quicker than if I just allowed myself to obsess over the whole thing. I will remain friends with him for sure as I still love him and always will. However, as GalaGirl explains,

I think fed up is just fed up. Past your limit of tolerance for shenanigans. That's not being "cold." That's being "done."

That is where my headspace is right now.
 
No judging about the panic attacks from me. Lora used to pull the same shit. She also does get legit panic attacks. I also get legit panic attacks (though far far far more rarely than I used to). It was absolutely amaaaaaaazing the number of times that she and Jon spent part of the day together, and all seemed well, and quiet, and tranquil, until he started to spent the other part of the day with me. And then suddenly, a panic attack. Or HUGE sobs. And then of course, he'd have to go and comfort her (and I'm not actually saying that sarcastically, of course you're going to go comfort the partner that is freaking out). And then the time that was supposed to be me and Jon spending time together turned into the three of us spending time together.

And vice versa - if it was a day when Jon was going to spend part of the day with me, then part with her. Panic attacks, or other freakouts that turned me and Jon's time together into group hangout time, and then of course, she expected to spend the time that was supposed to be just her and Jon still as her and Jon time and not time all of us spent together.

It made me SO ANGRY because I hate calling bullshit on someone else's mental problems, but still, the way it turned out SO many times...my gut screams that those were not all genuine panic attacks, if any of them were.

Anyways, back on topic, thank you for explaining more deeply, and yes, I'd be super-pissed too if I it had gone the way you are describing. Honestly, if I were in Ethan's position (and I did this with Jon and Lora), I said "Hey, it seems like these panic attacks are really bad. What are you doing for them? How about some therapy, or anti-anxiety meds, are you going to the doctor?".

In my situation (and it sadly doesn't seem like this applies to you), I made it clear to Jon that if a large portion of OUR time turned into "group hangout time", then he and I needed to have time together either another day, or his and Lora's alone time needed to be split between "me and him" time and "him and Lora" time. I took the tack of "I really feel for Lora and her panic attack. And when she's having one, I absolutely see how you need to support her then. However, you and I still need time to nourish our relationship and have time together, so we need to reschedule our "us time" to do that. I'm feeling disconnected to you and unhappy, because we haven't had that time to connect and I want to fix that before it gets worse".

And we did. Sigh. Not to gloat, but the first time that Lora had a panic attack that magically improved once Jon was paying attention to her, and then he said "are you feeling better now?" and she said "yes, I feel sooo much better now" and then HE said "ok, well, Liz and I really need some alone time, so since we've all been hanging out for three hours, I'm going to spend the next three hours with her, and then the three after with you"....oh, the look on her face. Because she KNEW she couldn't go from enthusiastically saying she felt so much better to having another panic attack the moment that Jon and I were having alone time without him starting to question it.

And that was an important aspect of why things worked out in the end for me. Jon both listened to my need for alone time with him (and agreed with it) and though he'd take something like an initial panic attack at face value, he WOULD have make the connection if Lora had had another one after saying she felt totally better.

Would Ethan do the same? Or do you think he'd cater to all the panic attacks and not be willing to tell June that you and he DO need some alone time to nourish your relationship? If you wanted to salvage anything with him, I would suggest (if you haven't already) talking to him about needing time alone with him to nourish your relationship together.

And hell, if you have a hotel room, then you actually have a great situation where he could spend some evenings/nights with you. You'd get your alone time with him. You wouldn't be in June's home, making June unhappy. And you're still there for only so long, since it's for work, so (in theory) June would be able to grit her teeth and deal with it, knowing that you're only going to be around for so long, before heading back home.
 
No judging about the panic attacks from me. Lora used to pull the same shit. She also does get legit panic attacks. I also get legit panic attacks (though far far far more rarely than I used to). It was absolutely amaaaaaaazing the number of times that she and Jon spent part of the day together, and all seemed well, and quiet, and tranquil, until he started to spent the other part of the day with me. And then suddenly, a panic attack. Or HUGE sobs. And then of course, he'd have to go and comfort her (and I'm not actually saying that sarcastically, of course you're going to go comfort the partner that is freaking out). And then the time that was supposed to be me and Jon spending time together turned into the three of us spending time together.

This is exactly what happens, drives me crazy!


It made me SO ANGRY because I hate calling bullshit on someone else's mental problems, but still, the way it turned out SO many times...my gut screams that those were not all genuine panic attacks, if any of them were.

I feel this dilemma as I do not want to be the insensitive one who just doesn't understand her needs

Honestly, if I were in Ethan's position (and I did this with Jon and Lora), I said "Hey, it seems like these panic attacks are really bad. What are you doing for them? How about some therapy, or anti-anxiety meds, are you going to the doctor?".

I wish he would do this... but he won't. Besides it would probably send her spinning into another "panic attack".

In my situation (and it sadly doesn't seem like this applies to you), I made it clear to Jon that if a large portion of OUR time turned into "group hangout time", then he and I needed to have time together either another day, or his and Lora's alone time needed to be split between "me and him" time and "him and Lora" time.

Would Ethan do the same? Or do you think he'd cater to all the panic attacks and not be willing to tell June that you and he DO need some alone time to nourish your relationship?

Sadly, I don't think Ethan will ever do anything that might hurt June's feelings, including calling out her BS and making compromises.

And hell, if you have a hotel room, then you actually have a great situation where he could spend some evenings/nights with you. You'd get your alone time with him. You wouldn't be in June's home, making June unhappy. And you're still there for only so long, since it's for work, so (in theory) June would be able to grit her teeth and deal with it, knowing that you're only going to be around for so long, before heading back home.

June would not let him spend unsupervised time with me I am certain. And the temporary aspect of this situation has certainly not brought her any comfort at all. I really do not like to use colorful language when talking about people but really she is just a bitch who has pretty much been abusive to me since the day I got here. When I am gone I can guarantee she will make a lot of false and negative claims about me in hopes he will ditch me like the rest.
 
Well, fuck it.
 
When I am gone I can guarantee she will make a lot of false and negative claims about me in hopes he will ditch me like the rest.

Well, fuck it.

Yeah, and fuck them!

You don't have to wait for him to ditch you. You ditch him first. Nobody needs the bullshit you've been expected to endure. I am glad to read you are done with it. It makes me so angry when I read here sometimes how poorly people are treated by those who supposedly love them, and this is one of those times. And with all your descriptions of Ethan, I would never even guess he's a Dom - to my mind, he is quite what I call the Ineffectual Male (a rather frustrating species!).
 
Well, fuck it.

I could not put it any better myself :)

Yeah, and fuck them!

You don't have to wait for him to ditch you. You ditch him first. Nobody needs the bullshit you've been expected to endure. I am glad to read you are done with it. It makes me so angry when I read here sometimes how poorly people are treated by those who supposedly love them, and this is one of those times. And with all your descriptions of Ethan, I would never even guess he's a Dom - to my mind, he is quite what I call the Ineffectual Male (a rather frustrating species!).

Frustrating to say the least. I had an opportunity to spend a wonderful hour alone with him, but as soon as she was no longer occupied it was back to the same. It is more clear than ever that it will never change. I do not want to care for someone and have to hide my affection because it might hurt his primary's feelings. (Comment to be read in a patronizing tone).
 
Polypet you deserve to be happy.

Screw them and their disfunctional nightmare of a relationship.
 
I'm sorry things didn't work out in a positive way for you, but I'm happy you're taking yourself out of that toxic environment. Sometimes you have to love yourself enough to leave. I'm wishing you much more happiness in the future.
 
I'm sorry things didn't work out in a positive way for you, but I'm happy you're taking yourself out of that toxic environment. Sometimes you have to love yourself enough to leave. I'm wishing you much more happiness in the future.

Thank you, I am not deterred from opening myself up to someone more deserving. Now that it feels more final and close,d I feel a new sadness over the loss. But I will continue to remind myself that he has lost a lot more and will continue to experience loss as June will be sure to sabotage every serious relationship he has. She will be okay with the occasional fling or FWB, however, as soon as he becomes serious and she perceives a girl to be a threat she will find a way to ruin it.

If she ever demands that he be monogamous in the future that is when she will lose him.
 
Sigh... my gf miss pixi once dated a guy who was a sub in a D/s relationship to this ... woman. I never liked her. miss pixi was supposed to be the guy's sub (his first time Domming), and also do domestic work (a kink of hers) for them both as a kind of house slave. Sex with the guy was supposed to be part of the deal. He was a great guy, warm and friendly and funny, sexy and charismatic, and I liked him a lot. Her, I never trusted.

I pegged her right away as having very low self esteem, and she bolstered it by being this big popular bitchy stern semi pro Domme, fetish model, and event planner in the kink community.

Well! She barely ever left miss p and the guy alone. She was always skulking around kind of spying. If they started having sex in the living room, she'd make a point of walking through, or even staying there and turning on the TV! Once in a while miss p and the guy would snatch some time in the freeking shower. For a while she was allowed to sleep on the floor on his side of the bed, but soon she was banished to the guest room for overnights.

Finally miss p gave him up. Soon after, he saw the light and kicked that woman out! Thank god. As an aside, she ate all day long, she was well over 300 pounds. Whatever. But once he got rid of her, even though he is very tall and carried weight well, the guy lost 80 lbs himself and looks fantastic. And he has a nice new gf and they are building a pleasant life. He offered a relationship to miss pixi too, but she's moved on except for an occasional lunch in Boston, and a kiss or two.

Anyway, similar story! Just wanted to share.
 
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Sigh... my gf miss pixi once dated a guy who was a sub in a D/s relationship to this ... woman. I never liked her. miss pixi was supposed to be the guy's sub (his first time Domming), and also do domestic work (a kink of hers) for them both as a kind of house slave. Sex with the guy was supposed to be part of the deal. He was a great guy, warm and friendly and funny, sexy and charismatic, and I liked him a lot. Her, I never trusted.

I pegged her right away as having very low self esteem, and she bolstered it by being this big popular bitchy stern semi pro Domme, fetish model, and event planner in the kink community.

Well! She barely ever left miss p and the guy alone. She was always skulking around kind of spying. If they started having sex in the living room, she'd make a point of walking through, or even staying there and turning on the TV! Once in a while miss p and the guy would snatch some time in the freeking shower. For a while she was allowed to sleep on the floor on his side of the bed, but soon she was banished to the guest room for overnights.

Finally miss p gave him up. Soon after, he saw the light and kicked that woman out! Thank god. As an aside, she ate all day long, she was well over 300 pounds. Whatever. But once he got rid of her, even though he is very tall and carried weight well, the guy lost 80 lbs himself and looks fantastic. And he has a nice new gf and they are building a pleasant life. He offered a relationship to miss pixi too, but she's moved on except for an occasional lunch in Boston, and a kiss or two.

Anyway, similar story! Just wanted to share.

Thank you for sharing, it feels comforting to know my story is similar to someone else who managed to move on. I too was banished to the guest room and it felt terrible. I felt so unwanted and rejected. Part of me wonders if her attitude towards me stemmed from self esteem issues as I am thinner than her and she was making comments about her size (not that she is all that over weight anyways). But none of that should have mattered because he clearly thinks she is beautiful at any size. Even I could see that!
 
Jealous is jealous. She is not cut out to be partnered to a poly guy. They sound like a miserable couple, and I am sorry you were involved to such an extent.
 
Jealous is jealous. She is not cut out to be partnered to a poly guy. They sound like a miserable couple, and I am sorry you were involved to such an extent.

That is exactly it, she is not cut out for having a poly partner. That is why she is determined to turn him monogamous. I think she might even succeed because he is so blind to her manipulation. I suppose maybe that is a positive for both of him, if he is so blind to it then it must be love that is making him so easy to manipulate so they must be happy together.
 
A little bit of time has passed now and I find myself needing some tough love because Ethan is so damn hard to get over. We have spoken several times since I left, mostly while he too was out of town. However, now that he is back home with June he has become distant once again. My pride prevents me from reaching out but my heart is screaming at me to hang on to what is left. Grrr, somebody just smack a little sense into me.... please!
 
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