Finally had the hard talk

If staying involved with him involves unsafe sex then staying with him means seriously risking your health and possibly your life. The relationship hardly seems worth it. If you can't care about your mental and emotional health enough to stay away from him, think how you will feel when you get sick from his carelessness and he just shrugs.

Leetah
 
Rest assured he's being "nice" to his new gf now. He is enjoying the novelty, and turning on his charm. It won't last. Sooner or later, she will dump him, or he will tire of her and break up with her. He might even triangulate you and her, telling her how his ex was "better" than her!

Personally I think you are lucky you saw through his facade so soon. It took me a year to start to see my ex's true nature, and another year of weird behavior starting to show, and then another 6 months before it got so ridiculous I had to break up with him.

But as I said, the silver lining was, I learned what to watch out for so I don't get involved with someone like this again. Those early red flags can easily be shrugged off when the sex is so good and the dating is fun. But these Narcs have no depth. They are a black hole inside. Keep reading over at Psychopath Free to see the patterns other people have experienced. You're not alone.

You deserve better.
 
Rest assured he's being "nice" to his new gf now. He is enjoying the novelty, and turning on his charm. It won't last. Sooner or later, she will dump him, or he will tire of her and break up with her. He might even triangulate you and her, telling her how his ex was "better" than her!

Personally I think you are lucky you saw through his facade so soon. It took me a year to start to see my ex's true nature, and another year of weird behavior starting to show, and then another 6 months before it got so ridiculous I had to break up with him.

But as I said, the silver lining was, I learned what to watch out for so I don't get involved with someone like this again. Those early red flags can easily be shrugged off when the sex is so good and the dating is fun. But these Narcs have no depth. They are a black hole inside. Keep reading over at Psychopath Free to see the patterns other people have experienced. You're not alone.

You deserve better.

Thanks Mags. I'm trying to make healthier choices right now, but it's not easy. I still find myself thinking about him excessively, wishing I could help him, afraid that I will lose him, wanting him to need me. (My codependent side).

At the same time I'm aware that I'm spending too much time on this; That it's making me depressed and taking me away from other things in my life that are important to me. I don't like feeling this way, and I certainly notice that I feel worse on the days I have interaction with him. I feel pretty emotionally and mentally drained right now. I keep wondering what happened to the happy and focused girl I was last fall, before and when I met him.

Is there any hope for these types of people?

I'm gathering that they're really hard to relate to on a healthy level.... chances are he will continue to be unhealthy, which means that even if he meets a healthy person (as I was) he will suck them into unhealthy patterns (as he did with me) and then no one wins. So yeah, it looks like the likelihood of him having any sort of long term healthy relationship in the near future is not that high. He probably could if he wanted to change, but he's pretty adamant right now that he won't change. Which means he's likely either only going to have short lived superficial or healthy relationships (until they fall apart), or long term dysfunctional ones.

It just breaks my heart. As much as he is hurting me right now, I care for him deeply as a person and wish I could help him. But I know I can't help anyone who doesn't want to help themselves.

I've been reading on psychopathfree.com and there's some good info, tho some of it does seem very harsh towards them. I was recommended a book, "Disarming the Narcissist" which acknowledges that they are very difficult but tries to have a more compassionate view and some tips for dealing with them.

I would like to try to be compassionate to him right now. Of course it's hard to while also being compassionate towards myself; As I'm largely neglecting my own well being when I focus too much on him.

I know that the only way out of this is probably to focus on other things and other (healthier) people right now (whether I go no contact or not) and focus less on him. I'm trying to do this now. I guess I can expect some up and down days ahead with this.

I wonder how the hell he ever did a 5 year monogamous relationship? I've never even had a relationship last that long, which makes me think he is better than me. But he's pretty adamant that that didn't work for him either and therefore doesn't want to go down that path again.
 
Treating yourself with self respect is ACTION. What you DO. Self esteem is what you THINK of your behavior.


So if you choose behaviors that treat you with self respect? You can feel proud of those choices. Your self esteem goes up.

If you choose behaviors that treat you with no self respect? You feel bad about those choices. You self esteem goes down.

If you want to improve your self esteem? You could have to examine your behavior choices.

It's going to be hard to think proud things about yourself (i.e.: have good self esteem) when you choose "hang around with a guy who treats you bad" because that is less than self respecting behavior. You could choose to hang around people who treat you well instead.



Are you willing to go to neutral? Like you cannot believe you can get to a plus zone. Ok.

But can you believe you can go to neutral zone? You get rid of him and he's not a drain on your energy, brain, time, and so on?

Galagirl - all good points.

Yeah, it would be nice to get to a neutral zone where he isn't draining my energy, brain and time.

I just don't know if I can do that while cutting him off and going no contact right now. I may just have to "replace" instead by spending more time and energy on other people/things.
 
I had a good long talk with it about my sister last night and she confirmed that she really doesn't think I did anything wrong in the beginning, and that he was presenting a very different persona at first so it would have been near impossible to know then that something was "up" (except the no condom thing on the first date, which she agrees was a huge red flag). I talked to her about it back in Dec when things were new, and she actually complimented me on how balanced I was being with things with him. And I was. I was actually still dating two other people when I first met him. I was taking my time. I was keeping my focus on my own activities and work etc. She actually thinks I handled everything in a very mature way by continuing to take care of myself, being very clear with him and communicating my needs clearly, and taking my time before opening up emotionally to him. I know I made a mistake by jumping into bed with him too quickly . . .
I don't think you're being realistic in looking at how things played out. You are avoiding looking at your own responsibility for your well-being. Yes, he may be fucked-up, a user, and a narcissist, whatever, but each person in a relationship is 100% responsible for their part in it. It isn't 50-50; it's 100-100.

After that first drunken night, you kept on allowing him to fuck you bareback from then on. You didn't put sex on hold until you both were tested and saw the results. You did not speak up about how he violated and disrespected you. You brushed it off, and basically not calling him on it gave him a green light to keep being a shit towards you.

Let's also look at how you let him tie you up and completely immobilize you physically -- basically a stranger on a first date. It's fine that you were both into kink, but where was your common sense? You put yourself in a dangerous situation -- he was someone with whom you did not have a history, did not know whether he would be trustworthy or not to respect your safewords or telling him no. You let him tie you up, leaving you unable to move, while you were drunk. You asked him to put a condom on instead of telling or insisting he do it. You let him set the precedent for your relationship, by continuing not to use condoms. But now you're analyzing HIM in your therapy and getting people to agree with you that he's a monster, instead of examining FULLY the part you played in making this mess.

I am not saying what he did was okay. Of course it wasn't. He is responsible for his part, as you are for yours. But for someone who keeps insisting you were in a good place in your life and so balanced when you met him, your behavior was way, way off from that. You were not smart. You acted irresponsibly and put yourself at risk. And now you are still talking to this asshole - what the fuck? When are you going to find your spine and treat yourself well and with respect?

What I am saying is not victim-blaming. It is about personal responsibility. I agree that you need to learn how to form and defend your own personal boundaries. Do whatever you can to build your self-esteem (by doing esteemable things), develop a backbone, and respect yourself. Until you respect you, no one else will, and you will keep meeting and getting involved with jerks like him.

Forget him, forget trash-talking him to anyone who will listen, forget reading up about narcissists and psychopaths. All of that is still devoting your energies on him, and he doesn't deserve your attention and focus. What are you going to do FOR YOU? You should care deeply for YOURSELF. Your heart should be breaking for YOU, not him.
 
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And now you are still talking to this asshole - what the fuck? When are you going to find your spine and treat yourself well and with respect?

What I am saying is not victim-blaming. It is about personal responsibility. I agree that you need to learn how to form and defend your own personal boundaries. Do whatever you can to build your self-esteem (by doing esteemable things), develop a backbone, and respect yourself. Until you respect you, no one else will, and you will keep meeting and getting involved with jerks like him.

Forget him, forget trash-talking him to anyone who will listen, forget reading up about narcissists and psychopaths. All of that is still devoting your energies on him, and he doesn't deserve your attention and focus. What are you going to do FOR YOU? You should care deeply for YOURSELF. Your heart should be breaking for YOU, not him.

Nycindie - this post is pretty harsh.

My heart IS breaking for myself. And I DO recognize the mistakes I've made. I'm pretty sure I've acknowledged my mistakes in my replies. I acknowledged that fucking him the first night, getting involved with rope, and letting him not use a condom was a mistake. I acknowledged that yes, I continued to date him and let him not use a condom. Would a person with healthier self esteem tolerate that? Probably not. I am not that person. When I talk about having self esteem in the fall, it's because I was doing it in other areas of my life. It's possible to be growing my esteem elsewhere, and then think I'm ready to date, and then fuck up and go back into old patterns and permit behaviour that many would not consider ok (relationships have always been my weak point for setting boundaries). He was also NOT a total stranger to me at that point as I had been getting to know him via email and text for 3 months before I even met him in person.

I am currently very depressed over this, and I suffer and struggle with setting personal boundaries. It's an ongoing challenge in my life. Both when I am in a good place and a difficult place. It's possible to be feeling good and healthy about yourself, and still not be great at setting personal boundaries.

I would appreciate a bit more compassion. Maybe you're just angry hearing about all this, but you have to realize that setting boundaries is not something that comes easily to everyone. I'm surprised to see this kind of anger coming from a moderator.

You also don't know what I have or have not been doing this week. Yes, I have unfortunately been devoting a lot of time and energy to him, trying to understand this narcissism thing and talking it out with people. That's part of what I need to do to process what's happened here. I don't appreciate being made to feel bad for wanting to talk to people and understand the situation. I have also continued to do things for myself and carry on with my life. I don't expect this is going to be a light switch I can just turn off immediately. If it was I'm sure I would do it.

Maybe setting boundaries and telling someone to fuck off and then just focus 100% on your own life is easy for you - but it is not easy for everyone. Please realize that. Sorry I don't have enough of a spine by your standards. You're right, I don't.
 
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I know I came on strong, but it's really from a place of tough love, hon. That's just my style when I feel like someone needs a good shake, know what I mean? It's certainly not about thinking you should adopt my standards for your life. And by the way, I don't have the power to "make you" feel anything. You're here to get opinions and advice on an internet message board, and what I wrote was basically a hard-core take on what FallenAngelina and GalaGirl also wrote. Personal responsibility, loving yourself, maturity, etc. We get back what we put into life, and we see the reflection of how we view ourselves in others.

Those old self-limiting patterns will always be there. We all have them, including me. It's up to us to see them and not indulge in them. We all have our demons.

Three months of emails doesn't mean you weren't strangers. He was basically someone you did not know well, on that first date. Do you usually let people you barely know tie you up? I would think that those kinds of kink activities would take place only after a foundation of trust and respect is built.

And just so you know, I am not angry - I am very concerned because of the situation you put yourself in and I just hope you learned from it so that you shore up your esteem and figure out how to protect yourself. Yes, it's obvious that standing up for yourself isn't easy. I am only pointing out what it seems you don't want to look at. Of course, I only get a partial picture from a message board, but it stymies me that your sister thinks you did nothing wrong and you say you were strong and balanced at the time.

What I am telling you is simple, but I never said or thought it would be easy. Just because something is hard for us or scary doesn't mean we can't do it. Let this guy go and you will free up so much energy in your life. Stop talking to him, don't see him, don't give him the time of day - go cold turkey. Believe me, that will be a fine first step into building your esteem and developing a healthy boundary. You won't regret it.

Motivation follows action. Believe me, it's true. The one thing I do wish for you is courage!
 
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